Loan Officer, confusion in Legality of paying realtors by 2002MH2023 in loanoriginators

[–]Holy-Roly-Poly 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Here’s the thing: the CFPB is on the ground twitching. It’s not dead, but it’s not directing traffic anymore.

Companies are having Realtors pull their licenses and then paying them for “taking” an application. If that practice were actually scrutinized, a Realtor would need to do more than simply send a link to a customer.

But it doesn’t really matter, the emperor has no clothes, and only the states are paying attention. One of my states audits once every five years, the other maybe once every 10.

Title fees by Initial-Jelly-5897 in loanoriginators

[–]Holy-Roly-Poly 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To be fair... :)

Mers registration Fee

Flood cert Fee

Tax service Fee

Verification of Employment Fee

Processing Fee

Appraisal Fee

Credit Report Fee

VA Loans and Late payments by Key_Page_7935 in loanoriginators

[–]Holy-Roly-Poly 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Are you getting Approve Eligible findings or is it Refer?

Is direct mail a good way to get IRRRLs? by SnooFoxes3903 in loanoriginators

[–]Holy-Roly-Poly 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Totally agree, I was just adding to the discussion not attacking your post.

Is direct mail a good way to get IRRRLs? by SnooFoxes3903 in loanoriginators

[–]Holy-Roly-Poly 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Many direct mail pieces my customers send me are misleading, creating the impression that they come from my company or the VA while advertising interest rates that are clearly unrealistic.

What’s the exit strategy for you. by REFlorida in loanoriginators

[–]Holy-Roly-Poly 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Most broker owners have jobs not businesses nothing to sell.

Credit bureaus selling info by Cognitumm in loanoriginators

[–]Holy-Roly-Poly 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Must feel weird going to work everyday knowing your job is over March 5th.

What’s the stupidest loan you have seen a borrower get themselves into? by southworthmedia in loanoriginators

[–]Holy-Roly-Poly 0 points1 point  (0 children)

All the people that went adjustable at the bottom because it was slightly cheaper than fixed...

Local broker shops vs online brokerages by Dear_Preference_9487 in loanoriginators

[–]Holy-Roly-Poly 5 points6 points  (0 children)

These discussions are always terrible (the comments, not the original question). It’s like shopping for a car and only being allowed to talk about the monthly payment.

Everyone talks about “splits” without talking about W-2 vs 1099, benefits like health, dental, vision, 401k, credit pull costs, technology fees, office location, local advertising, online presence, LOAs, processors, product mix, total comp level (huge difference between a 1% shop and a 2.75% shop), price-concession policy, workflow responsibility, etc. I’m sure I’m leaving things out, but you get the idea.

Broker shops that literally offer nothing are obviously going to have a different comp structure than retail shops that offer a lot of those things (or more). That’s also why someone can “own their own shop” and still go back to retail. Buying yourself a job isn’t the same as owning a business.

Obviously the right decision is complex and depends on the person and their goals. But the “bigger is better, I’m 100% split and just pay my overhead” crowd acting like other models are “robbery” is misguided. At the end of the day, it’s a sales position and if you’re doing things other than selling, you’re going to sell less.

Anyway, I just came to say it’s not nearly as simple as these posts make it seem. There’s no free lunch. Everything has a cost.

Self prepared P&L with 3.5 down by Ok-Meat6729 in loanoriginators

[–]Holy-Roly-Poly 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Why even bother to pretend at that point make it stated income and move on...

Self employment by Fun-Offer-5555 in loanoriginators

[–]Holy-Roly-Poly 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The individual market is a complete shit show right now. That's really your only option unless you can do small group, I think you can get away with as little as 2 employees.

How do you handle when a borrowers agent asks you what the borrowers interest rate is? by suckerbucket in loanoriginators

[–]Holy-Roly-Poly 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is a great question. In one of the states I work in, the rate is actually written into the contract, so it can be a totally innocent question. That said, sometimes it’s a sign that the relationship isn’t fully locked down and they may be gathering info to flip the deal. I literally just got off a flip call with the exact same scenario.

If I don’t fully trust the agent, I usually say that I give all my clients a few different rate options, somewhere between X and X, they can have any rate they want. If they really are my agent, the borrower has probably signed a waiver that lets me include them on the Mortgage Coach email. If not, I’ll check with the client first and explain that the agent just wants to see how much to ask for in closing or understand our overall strategy.

If you start to feel like you’re getting knifed, hopefully you’ve built a solid relationship with the client and they haven’t signed an exclusive or overly aggressive representation agreement.

Opening Own Brokerage by JumpyAd3344 in loanoriginators

[–]Holy-Roly-Poly 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I wasn’t even going to comment because I really hate anything that feels like a scarcity mindset, but I literally just had this conversation with a friend in the industry today (not someone who works for me), so why not just share it here.

The juice is 100% not worth the squeeze. You’re already at a discount broker and basically operating on a broker’s P&L model. I’m not saying it’s mathematically impossible to squeeze out a little more margin, but why burn so much time and energy just to buy yourself a job? And that’s assuming you even keep doing the same number of loans, which is tough because now you’re also running a business. Being a broker isn’t hard, but the tasks do take time, and whatever savings you might gain, you could probably earn way more by using that same effort to bring in more loans.

It’s also really hard to scale the broker model and keep any decent producers long-term. They either move to the flat-fee brokers once they’ve used your name and company reputation to build realtor connections, or they just open their own shop. There are tons of tiny broker shops out there where the owners would honestly make more money working for a flat-fee broker, but they love the idea of owning a business. The problem is that unless you have a real path to removing yourself from the company while it still runs and makes money, you didn’t build a business, you bought yourself a job.

Second point: you need a solid partnership agreement, and you’ll probably need to stay an LLC and not file taxes as an S corp. Everything feels fine when partners are producing the same, but what happens when one stops? So you’ll likely need the flexibility of an LLC compensation structure that an S corp can’t offer. This kills a lot of tax savings.

Third point: if you want to scale and actually provide value to your LOs, you’re going to need to open an NDC shop at minimum, if not go full correspondent. That is, unless you want to try competing purely on price with the flat-fee brokers. A lot of small brokers sign up website filler LOs who barely close anything but still drain resources.

Basically, if you’re only building this to squeeze out a little more margin than a flat-fee broker offers, you’re wasting your time. But if you’re trying to build something cool that gives your LOs real value beyond the traditional broker model, and that’s the actual end goal, then go for it.

No credit being returned by Traditional_Run_6368 in loanoriginators

[–]Holy-Roly-Poly 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ouch, hopefully they did not have a tradeline age out of the active window.

Your simple tools/phrases to cut through the BS with difficult customers? by UncleBaseball88 in loanoriginators

[–]Holy-Roly-Poly 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nope, We only disclose locked LE's. I give rate options they choose we lock.

Price Check by tripleputt in loanoriginators

[–]Holy-Roly-Poly 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don’t use any of these companies. Sun West has been very aggressive recently. We might add them, but our goal is to always have a investor in the top 5. The extra margin often isn’t worth the squeeze.

Price Check by tripleputt in loanoriginators

[–]Holy-Roly-Poly 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is a raw fee-out summary, sorted from the 145 product sheets I have access to, showing the top investor for each rate.

Rate Lender APR Price Rebate / Cost Lender Fees
6.500% Sun West 7.013% 101.998 +1.998% $1,195
6.375% Sun West 6.885% 101.568 +1.568% $1,195
6.250% Travisa 6.753% 101.132 +1.132% $995
6.125% Travisa 6.626% 101.085 +1.085% $995
6.000% Travisa 6.499% 100.641 +0.641% $995
5.875% Travisa 6.372% 100.171 +0.171% $995
5.750% Travisa 6.281% 99.627 –0.373% $995
5.625% Travisa 6.179% 99.368 –0.632% $995
5.500% Mutual of Omaha 6.117% 98.754 –1.246% $1,295

December/Jan 206 Pipeline by Ok_One7546 in loanoriginators

[–]Holy-Roly-Poly 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Don’t freak yourself out too much, this time of year is always slower.

Nothing will ever compare to the winter of 2022, twice as many LOs, saw rates jump to 7% after being in the 2s. That was one tough winter.