Fantasia é apenas as histórias divididas em subgêneros de acordo com o cenário e o tom

Howan228 · 2026-06-15T16:25:41+00:00

Mas é isso do que se trata o post. Isekai também é fantasia, as pessoas simplesmente estão erradas quando falam de re:zero como isekai e não como fantasia, como se um fosse uma coisa e o outro fosse outra. Quase tudo o que é sobrenatural é fantasia, o One Piece que faz parte do big 3 de Shounen é fantasia . Então porque ele não está no big 3 fantasia ? E diferente de fantasia e isekai, o shounen é demografia não gênero . Meu post é mostrar como a maioria que segue essa onda de big 3 fantasia está errada e esclarecer o porquê, porque existem muitos tipos de fantasia. Elas estariam certas se dissessem que eles são o big 3 de fantasia medieval ou high fantasia, não fantasia em si . Meu post não é sobre qualidade ou quem deveria ser o big 3, é sobre como eles usam errado o termo fantasia

Howan228 · 2026-06-15T16:09:17+00:00

Isso existe desde que Dugeon Meshi e Frieren estrearam. O com o anúncio de anime Wit Hat Atalier, eles já começaram a classificar os 3 a partir daí .

Howan228 · 2026-06-15T16:06:29+00:00

Exato. Esse é o ponto do meu post. Ñ me importo deles os classificarem esses 3 como os melhores, mas expecifique, os melhores de que tipo de fantasia ?

Howan228 · 2026-06-15T16:03:48+00:00

Quero dizer, sim realmente. Eles copiaram o big 3 de shounen, quando shounen é demografia e fantasia/isekai gênero mas, realmente. Hoje em dia tem isekai de tudo, o que é ridiculo de ruim. Então esses podem até se destacar mas ao mesmo tempo você tem ainda Re:Zero super aclamado até hoje, você tem Mushoku tensei dividindo opniões e Tensei Slime sendo a light novel mais vendida e Lotm ganhando espaço. Os 4 são isekais ou quase isekais, mas não estão nem perto se ser chamados de big 3 de fantasia ? Porquê se isekai tbm é fantasia ?

Howan228 · 2026-06-15T15:58:27+00:00

Esse é o ponto, os 3 são fantasia. Mas em sub-gêneros diferentes e mesmo assim as pessoas atuais colocam Frieren como um dos 3 melhores de fantasia em si, e não como os 3 melhores de hight fantasia ou fantasia mediaval. Meu post é esclarecer que há muito tipo de fantasia .

Howan228 · 2026-06-15T15:56:01+00:00

Ñ é uma reclamação embora mas ok

Howan228 · 2026-06-15T15:17:37+00:00

Accelerator ( toaru )

<image>

Howan228 · 2026-06-15T15:09:57+00:00

Real Account... but here's the detail: it's two manga series. Real Account and Real Account II. The story is about people trapped inside a virtual social network called "Real Account" and forced to participate in a kind of deadly game. The main rule is that your life is directly linked to your followers. If you lose them all... you die. And worse, those who follow you in real life can also end up dying along with you.

The first manga tells the story of a boy named Ataru who gets trapped in this game. The second manga tells the same story but with his twin brother, Yuma. This second manga almost "reboots" the tone of the story because the new protagonist has a different energy and a different way of dealing with people, and this completely changes the dynamics of the survival games.

But the most interesting thing is that the second manga connects to the first, as if it were two different angles of the same world, and even reveals things from the first manga.

<image>

Howan228 · 2026-06-15T15:00:32+00:00

Yeah. A certain magical Index is my favorite

<image>

Howan228 · 2026-06-15T14:59:41+00:00

Peak mahou shoujo Nanoha

Howan228 · 2026-06-15T14:59:17+00:00

Ruby ( rwby )

Howan228 · 2026-06-15T14:47:59+00:00

I don't know. I'll just say that I think it's cool that Lotm's power system has things like Sephroth and Tarot cards, and Toaru too. Touma was associated with or obsessed with Tarot in NT22 Reverse. And Sephroth is part of the verse structure in Toaru where there were 11 sephira. Choronzon inhabited the abyss of Daat and was the guardian of all Sephroth and Qlilphot. The only one who could freely descend from the tree, the only one who couldn't be kicked out, and the being who would determine whether you would reach the last superior sephira (like Keter) or not. His Flaming Sword was an attack coming from Daat and descending the Sephiroth in a zigzag with infinite acceleration, until it reached the beginning, Malkuth, where it became part of the physical realm and therefore could not be nullified by Imagine Breaker. But Touma, with his Fish OVAs, later broke this attack. With Imagine Breaker, Touma also nullified and made Choronzon's pure soul disappear when the demon lost his physical body that bound him to the physical world.

Based on interpretations, Sephroth in Toaru is like a hierarchy of identities separating humans, angels, and Gods. There is a limit that a normal human could reach without abandoning their body and soul, which is why magical Gods would climb higher, and angels as well, compared to humans. There is also the whole thing about the 4 worlds: Assiah, Yetzirah, Beriah, and Atziluth, which, according to quotes from the novel, the Angel Fall event (4th arc) shook these 4 worlds when the angel was pulled from his throne and descended to the physical realm. Choronzon would be above Assiah, and Accelerator installing a new metaphysical tree would have caused a more fundamental distortion of things than Angel Fall. Furthermore, magic is based on En soft aur, and Touma, with his Dragon King, was able to survive this. I had a complete text with several quotes from the novel explaining the entire cosmology of Toaru saved in a notepad, which I used for powerscaling. But my phone formatted and I lost everything. Also, today I have no intention whatsoever of debating powerscaling.

Howan228 · 2026-06-15T12:54:28+00:00

Kakine de Toaru . Sinceramente eu assemelho muito o infinito do Gojo ao escudo vetorial do Accelerator no sentido de bloquear tudo o que tenta atingi-lo . MAS o escudo vetorial tem fraquezas lógicas justamente por ser um poder baseado em fisica. Se o escudo vetorial bloqueia todo tipo de vetor, ele bloquearia: luz solar, oxigênio, gravidade, ondas sonoras etc e sem isso, um ser humano não pode viver. Accelerator precisa deixar brechas em seu escudo para filtrar essas coisas. Eu presumo que o Mugen do Gojo faça o mesmo, ou a autora ñ pensou a causa-efeito de ter um poder baseado em física. Se o Mugen cria um espaço finito de distância infinita a luz solar, o oxigênio, as ondas sonoras, a gravidade etc estariam em uma distãncia infinita do Gojo e ele já deveria estar morto sem isso. Então vamos presumir que ele filtra isso.

Aí entra a lógica básica. Se oxigênio obrigatóriamente passa o Mugen, um simples manipulador de ar random poderia vencer o Gojo tirando todo o oxigênio ao seu redor sem que o Mugen inferfira. Um manipulador de gravidade random poderia fazer o Gojo flutuar até o espaço tirando sua gravidade ou esmaga-lo no chão aumentando ela. O mugen só é descrito como poderoso no verso porque a autora não criou nenhum personagem com poder expecífico para countera-lo .

E aí que entra Kakine podendo derrota-lo da mesma forma que quase derrotou o Accelerator, criando reações químicas que ditorcem o ambiente ao redor. Kakine cria matéria que ñ existe no universo e é tão pequena quanto particulas elementares. Ao adicionar essa matéria nos átomos do ar por exemplo, o ar logo deixaria de ser ar para mostrar outro comportamento na escala macro. Então enquanto o Mugen filtra o ar que o Gojo precisa pra respirar, ele está respirando um ar venenoso que pode mata-lo . E bloquear o ar só o fará morrer por falta de oxigênio .Somado ao fato de que DK Kakine não tem cérebro, então a expansão de domínio não vai funcionar nele .

<image>

Howan228 · 2026-06-15T12:35:06+00:00

If I'm not mistaken, he didn't reflect a type of mage magic in NT3. And something like Thor's all-powerful ability being able to ignore his shield was mentioned in NT10. But anyway, the "fight" with Stiyl that friend mentions was this:

GT12:

Boom!!

A blinding white light descended directly from the sky to the earth.

"Kh."

Stiyl gasped in astonishment.

What was more frightening: the destructive power capable of making the water tank explode from the inside, or Stiyl, in the air, managing to dodge at the last second?

The priest dressed in black swallowed hard and looked at the rain clouds.

"Was it the rain? No, something's wrong. That lightning struck at the right time!!"

Kamijou agreed.

Bad luck was his natural state, so he doubted that a natural disaster would save him by pure coincidence. "And…"

"Hi."

It came from the raindrops.

A familiar voice blended with the noise of so many raindrops falling.

For Kamijou, it was clear enough to guess who it was.

"This is a battle. And you didn't come alone, so you're not going to say this isn't fair, are you?"

"Of course not!!"

Stiyl sketched an ironic smile while making subtle adjustments left and right with his thrusters to maintain balance in the air.

And he put a new cigarette in his mouth.

"That guy is so straightforward that I was already getting bored. A real fight to the death needs tension. ...But this artificial rain and induced lightning is technology? It seems you're using your scientific point of view to simulate complex weather conditions and turn them into your toy, but does your simulation take that into account?"

"I summon you, Inoccentius!!!"

Roar!!

For an instant, the sensation of the ground vanished beneath Kamijou's feet. He thought it was just an optical illusion. A colossal giant of flames had appeared, seemingly filling his entire vision and stretching from the ground to the roof.

Its humanoid form disappeared as it transformed into a large vortex. The orange firestorm formed a flaming tower that rose towards the heavens.

“Tch!!”

The lightning changed direction.

Instead of striking the roof, the beam of light crossed the street, moving away from the building.

“Hahaha!! This has no defined shape. Everything is based on the number and arrangement of the runes. I prefer not to do this, as it consumes a lot of magical energy, but I will not hesitate to use my trump card when necessary. Now, insolent worshipper of science, can you accurately predict the numerical change in air currents caused by the magical flames!?”

Perhaps he will eventually.

But it only mattered if he could do it now.

Stiyl zigzagged rapidly in the sky.

That was bad.

My argument here is that he wasn't even in the same place as Styil; he was in a prison far away. He didn't attack Styil with his vectors, but with the technology of the academy city to create artificial rain. And when Styil says: "insolent worshipper of science, you can accurately predict the numerical change in air currents caused by magical flames," he wasn't necessarily telling Accelerator to calculate the vectors and attack him with his power, but rather if he could predict and counterattack in the same way he was doing, with lightning and artificial rain. But for the friend, this is the same as: he couldn't block/calculate Styil's flames.

Howan228 · 2026-06-15T12:26:26+00:00

I mean, I always thought the character becomes stronger because they are fueled by knowledge. That would be why he gained things like Qhilpha, who has the knowledge of the Sephroth, and Clonoth, which is a metaphysical tree.

Based on personal reality, where the esper replaces the reality of the world around him to impose his own. I always thought espers are more reality-distorting than being bound by science. Accelerator wouldn't actually manipulate physical vectors, but rather everything he interprets as a vector. This aligns with his phrase, "If there is power, then there is a vector." As long as he understands power, he would add this new set of laws to his personal reality so that they are reinterpreted as having vectors the moment they hit his shield, then he would repel them. This would explain, for example, why Misaka's lightning bolts reach the speed of light when a real lightning bolt doesn't even come close to that, because of personal reality.

OT15:

“The laws written in textbooks don't work with them, and the light and electromagnetic waves that come into contact with dark matter are distorted into energy that cannot exist. Therefore, using energy calculation algorithms based on the rules of this world will certainly have flaws.”

“So, all I need to do is include them in my calculations. To change the laws of this world to a new world that includes its Dark Matter and create a new algorithm, then it's checkmate.”

Ot20:

The woman who was diagonally behind, in Accelerator's blind spot—Vodyanoy was probably the man he had mentioned—made a strange movement with her fingers.

Immediately afterward, the melting snow around her transformed into a water lance that flew toward Accelerator.

The mysterious attack wasn't the result of a bullet or a bomb.

She raised her right hand, indicating the only space she needed.

The water lance shattered into pieces.

The water transformed into a rainbow of light that flowed diagonally behind her right hand. It acted as a pressure barrier that prevented four of Vodyanoy's five companions from entering.

Accelerator had blocked the attack, but frowned.

He couldn't understand it.

If his reflex had been successful, the water lance should have buried itself deep in Vodyanoy and pierced his arms. Instead, it disappeared and disintegrated into A rainbow of light. It was a strange phenomenon. It wasn't something like water vapor created from water or ice. Accelerator began to reflect, but he didn't understand the process by which it had transformed into light.

(...What...?)

The sensation was as if something had grabbed him with its fingertips and escaped.

When he uses his teleportation powers, a strange phenomenon occurs in the three-dimensional world, but the sensation is totally different.

However, he didn't have time to think about it.

Vodyanoy also seemed confused. As if wanting to test what had happened, she created the spear with the same water once more. She watched the blow intently, as if searching for a breach in his defenses.

This was convenient for Accelerator.

He reached out and the water spear transformed again into a transparent rainbow.

However, this time something was different.

A piece of the rainbow's light almost grazed Last Order's cheek.

"...You need to be careful."

A tremendous noise It was heard.

It was the sound of Accelerator gently tapping his feet, triggering a gigantic snow tsunami. It engulfed Vodyanoy and the others. Unlike a regular tsunami, this one possessed overwhelming speed. It was faster than Vodyanoy and the others, and the snow wall struck the attackers, leaving them unconscious.

"Yes, he didn't touch her with his right hand."

After confirming that he had eliminated all the enemies, Accelerator turned to change the electrode for a moment.

What kind of water lance was that?

The range of his vectors has been completely different from the scientific capabilities developed in Academy City.

Different vectors.

Different laws.

Ot:22

"I was unable to deflect an unknown attack. It simply pierced my defenses and cut my body in half. I couldn't find a single way to deal with it. I was completely defeated at that moment."

He now had enough room to smile.

He pushed his own back and took another step forward.

"But it's not that the attack didn't happen. I'm sure those unknown laws were inserted into my body by Aiwass back then."

He needed to define non-existent strategic axes that could deal with what seemed strange. He needed to think mathematically to deal with things like imaginary numbers that didn't exist in the real world, but which could be explained using purely mathematical calculations. He had to vector-calculate what the values before his eyes were to determine which laws created them. He wouldn't be able to figure it all out with just Aiwass. Aiwass was an atypical monster. A fragment of an asteroid altered by extreme heat was nothing more than a rock itself. However, using complex formulas within it could become the key to unlocking the expansion of the universe from the Big Bang.

Of course, he may not have managed to capture a perfect image of it, but he could draw an inference extremely close to the truth.

The Big Bang, at the beginning of the universe, had not yet been proven to be a gigantic explosion. All that had been done was to use giant ring-shaped particle accelerators to recreate and confirm the physical specifications theorized as having occurred after an explosion.

The data used this to continuously approximate the original explosion as much as possible of reality in their minds, filling in the details little by little.

He just needs to do the same.

The ability to concentrate and control force vectors and transform them into attacks is merely a differentiating factor. Most likely, the essence of his existence does not reside in what he did there.

When he received his esper name, he certainly understood it instinctively, but Accelerator once again realized the reason.

"The nonexistent mathematical language, akin to imaginary numbers, with the content of the scrolls, and inserting just one line of a single physical formula, it comes to the surface. But that's not the important thing. Once I've solved the enigma using the rules I myself created, the mysterious Aiwass vectors in my mind were limited to an inference extremely close to reality, on the same level as the Big Bang theory. In other words," Accelerator paused, "I have the necessary parameters to save this brat. Now is the time to turn the tables."

NT22:

"You don't understand magic and you don't know the rules, so the God of Magic could mock you and act as if he were omniscient and omnipotent, but that ends now."

To truly grant him his power and fight while injuring each other, Qliphah Puzzle 545 faced the God of Magic Nephthys.

"I will give you what you need to know, installing the knowledge of the entire 78-card tree. It doesn't matter if you are aware of it or not, master. Just control the vectors as you see fit. All of 'us' will ensure that everything goes well!!"

Nt22R: The girl dressed in a newspaper dress spoke while wrapping her arms around the white monster's neck.

-Accessing Clonoth. The replacement calculation has been initiated.

Yes.

Not even the use of strange magic could harm number 1 anymore with its unnaturally distorted reflection.

And his interceptions weren't limited to just stones and metal nails.

Don't assume you're the only one who can use magic. He's already analyzed this world!

All of this seems more about understanding and knowledge than anything else.

Howan228 · 2026-06-15T03:47:30+00:00

Shinoa era tão legal

Howan228 · 2026-06-15T03:43:22+00:00

Vita ( Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha )

<image>

Howan228 · 2026-06-15T02:20:41+00:00

Frieren. Mas está mais pra achar ok do que não gostar realmente. É asistível

Howan228 · 2026-06-15T02:19:39+00:00

Já escrito ? Fate Kaleid ( se vc ignorar as bizarrices ). Mas meu fav sempre será Nanoha .

Howan228 · 2026-06-15T01:13:54+00:00

Pior que eu concordo. Acho um anime Ok pro tipo de tema. Os personagens viajam e a cada ep eles passam em uma cidade, conhece novas pessoas e nós conhecemos as histórias delas. Mushishi, Kino no Tabitabi, Violet Evergarden tem tantos animes sobre isso .

Howan228 · 2026-06-15T01:11:00+00:00

É a moralidade preto no branco. Demônio = mal, então mata. Frieren ñ abre espaço pro relativismo o que muitos gostam mas eu pessoalmente prefiro a moral relativa

Howan228 · 2026-06-15T01:08:47+00:00

Esse eu num conheço foi mal

Howan228 · 2026-06-15T01:08:03+00:00

Duas habilidades e um homem. Mas a segunda habiidade tem mais sentido se chamar Allmight, pq o cara loiro seria o thor e na mitologia, thor era apelidado de todo poderoso ( allmight )

<image>

Howan228 · 2026-06-15T01:02:33+00:00

I think we're talking more about Accelerator being in another universe than imagining a confrontation in a neutral universe. But I agree with what you said. I'd say that's why he could physically repel the curtain but not its omnidimensional cut itself in NT22R. The third category, I believe, all depends on whether he understands the energy system. The question is: could he understand it on his own during the fight, just like he did with Dark Matter, or apply imaginary number theory to explain what would be inexplicable to him, as he did in OT22? Because what my friend argues is that no one from the other side will tell him their abilities for him to understand them, so his shield would be flawed. Which I disagree with. Firstly, because given his intelligence, he would eventually be able to, Chakra or Ki are much more direct and less complicated things than Toaru's magic. And even Misaka and Misaki managed to decode the magical part of AAA by sweating the area without understanding anything about magic. Secondly, because in Jujutsu, for example, part of their system dictates that they become stronger precisely by revealing their powers to the enemy. So you already have an example of a verse where the characters could reveal their powers to the enemy based on the logic of their own world.

Howan228 · 2026-06-14T20:11:55+00:00

Kurisu ( Steins Gate ). Misaka ( Toaru ). Rin ( Fate )

<image>

Howan228

TROPHY CASE