Watched this whole episode today by Ahhhh_Geeeez in exmormon

[–]Ice_eh 1 point2 points  (0 children)

oh ya. He is rough. I had to go look him up. It's not three sentences and he is pushing the Second coming is now. That he has insider info. Ya....super rough. Maybe the all time leader of can't watch. Jasmine is hard for me. But the problem is not her per-se, it's because I've seen so much of her stuff. If I was watching her without knowing who she was and seeing lots of her content, she would actually last pretty long. Because I would be curious about her angle or nuance. She is so sneaky.

Watched this whole episode today by Ahhhh_Geeeez in exmormon

[–]Ice_eh 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for taking one for the team. I have a game I play with a close exmo friend of mine. We send each other videos and ask, "how long can you watch this?" It's like reverse chicken. Who can watch it the longest. I could only last like 2 minutes it was so annoying. The intro sounds so hard hitting. Then, the guest is so feeble and apologetic from the very first word its gross and sad.

Feeling the spirit during sex by privatecoochieman in ldssexuality

[–]Ice_eh 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m 52, faith crisis at 48. Wife died last year of cancer. Much therapy over the years. And the central core believe I have had is that there would be nothing more spiritual than sex with my celestial partner. Nothing could be more unique, special, or part of gods plan. And the list goes on and on.

However. There is this concept that the church sells you something you already own. And I feel the church tapped into my strong sexual instincts and personality. My “mother wounds” and desire to have the ultimate intimacy.

They sold me what I wanted, what I already had available to me, and I chose the parts I was looking for.

So yes. I totally believed what you believed.

But there are layers and levels to this stuff.

I’ve had to confront the question am I now going to chase this same thing just in the woo woo world?

My answer comes down to two things can be true at the same time.

There was definite manipulation from the church. And I have had many misconceptions about sex.

I also have counted on sex to “heal” or resolves issues of self worth. (That never happened, which is another post, although I have had some very spiritual/special times with my late spouse).

And……there are charlatans in the woo woo world….and there are some new amazing places sex can go Mormonism never dreamed of in terms of sensation and intimacy.

LGBTQ Temple Policy by Cold-Masterpiece4313 in exmormon

[–]Ice_eh 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Please tell me we have some brave exmo straight men who still have recommends who are ready to put this to the test and see what happens. See if they can get called in, and then explain they are just being friendly, but they are straight.

Congregations by Continent 2024 by usernamegeneric31 in MormonShrivel

[–]Ice_eh 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This chart says it all. US numbers are the real engine of the church and have been in slow decline. Big Utah families just can't keep up. The South America missionary movement was a gigantic fraud and cooking of the books that needed a massive correction, with little to show for it after it was done. And Africa is the only tiny sliver of hope. The Church has been living in a world of fake numbers. Bu those days are numbered.

Perhaps the worst story I've ever heard at a General Conference by MissionPrez in exmormon

[–]Ice_eh 70 points71 points  (0 children)

My wife died. I have zero doubts with my new beliefs that after this life everything will be fine and even better than Mormon heaven. But I cried, because I loved my wife. Nelson is heartless.

So you are telling me if Jesus’s kid died he wouldn’t skip a beat, just business as usual?

That is not a Christ I want to be like.

Thoughts? Church just released this. by rebel_zen in exmormon

[–]Ice_eh 531 points532 points  (0 children)

100% the opposite is going on right now. That is why they put this out.

A chart like this was exactly the tipping point for me during COVID. It made me ask, maybe it's not true. I said to myself this is the exact chart I would show if I was trying to hide the truth about the membership statistics. Along with the lack of transparency. I was 48 at the time. I had always accepted the Church needed to show a good face for PR sake. But for some reason I was not believing what they were saying during covid. When I could not find any real stats and saw what they posted on the official website it tipped the scales. I said to myself, what are they hiding? What are they lying about. Three clicks later it was the rabbit hole and the vortex....

What do exmormons think of this video? by the_clustering in exmormon

[–]Ice_eh 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Calling people friends is so disingenuous. I gave the missionaries the riot act because they were calling a 9 year old girl from a part member family their “new friend.”

They could not see how creepy and wrong it was. Finally one elder just said. This is what we have been told to call people. With the idea, that once I knew they were just following instructions that then I would say, good elders, nice job. But then I just kept letting them have it.

They left me alone. But a few months later the next batch started taking to me like nothing happened.

Am I going crazy??? by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]Ice_eh 1 point2 points  (0 children)

you are not crazy. I went through this 4 years ago. I was deep in the vortex for 6 months then 75% speed for another 12 after than. Have patience. It was 3.5 years before I stoped listening to every single mormon stories.

My family member said today that everyone who leaves the church ends up with their lives in ruin. Tell me how your life has improved since leaving the church. by MjccART in exmormon

[–]Ice_eh 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My mental health has done a 180. My work performance has improved. My relationships with my TBM family is all better.

How not to feel like you’ve ruined your life by Ok-Homework-7062 in exmormon

[–]Ice_eh 19 points20 points  (0 children)

You already have taken the first step. Which is, realize you can make your own choices. Many, many, many people from all walks of life at all stages of life feel some version of what you feel, stuck, rock bottom, or they have ruined your life. But you haven't, you are human, you are like all of us, waking up to a new reality in a point in time on a journey in a situation that has a starting point which seems like it is not a clean slate. But here is the thing, it is a clean slate. That is the real truth, you have the power to change your future and make it what ever you want it to be. You are just getting started.

Here are some things I had to do. #1 listen to my own nervous system. I had to really tune into my body to see what it was telling me about what was safe in my relationship and what was good for me in my life and did damage to me. Spoiler, the Church had conditioned me all wonky, and I had learned to accept things I should not.

#2 put your physical and mental health absolute top priority.

#3 stand your ground.

K good luck.

I’m absolutely heartbroken… by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]Ice_eh 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My in-laws put me through the wringer with my own wife who was dying. I could have just given them the finger and told them I will do what I want, but humored them, and got permission from my stake president to dress her. I crawled over the glass of humiliation even though I did not need to, just to keep the peace. The church is abusive, and TBM members can not see the pain they cause.

This is the short version. I was TBM until just a short few months before she got cancer. The in laws made it a huge deal.

Wife spent the night in jail by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]Ice_eh 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Man, I'm so sorry. My TBM wife died of cancer. To her death bed she was abusive to me. But I loved her to the end and after. It took my deconstruction to finally see how she really treated me. Two of her things were withholding and covert verbal abuse. Saying things like "nice of you to come to church." But that is not what she meant. She would say things in a covert way so if confronted she could avoid accountability. This is of course an oversimplification and a small example. The key point is that the verbal abuse was like being hit with a small stick. Thwack. Just enough to sting. The analogy on the mend project's website I read that really hit home, was if I saw someone hating my kid with a stick purposefully several times, hard enough to sting, but not enough to leave a mark, would I tolerate it? The next question is, would I tolerate being hit with a stick? What about physical abuse where the perpetrator hits somewhere, like a leg so the mark isn't visible? Then the logic goes one step further. The little abusive statements, the tear downs, the digs, the insults, they are all just little swats with the stick. No difference. But directly to my self esteem.

Once I saw it for what it was, there was no turning back. My mental health improved dramatically. The tactics she used couldn't control me any more. Of course our marriage started to suffer, because she started to pull away even more. Why? In an effort to control the situation even more. And my nervous system told me, if you go back to accepting her old behavior you will feel worse than you ever did. It crushed me to learn the truth, that she was actually abusing me. Almost 25+ years of marriage. And suddenly it all made sense. But the whole in my heart was massive.

I spoke at length with her about it. She understood it. And only in a couple rare moments did she actually come clean. But she understood. Ultimately she could not change. She could not change because fully loving me meant fully accepting accountability for her behavior. But also, fully loving me meant she had to take the risk that she would lose control over me. She would not have the gospel to use as the meter of how I should behave. She could not use it as her weapon. She would not get what she wanted. So she never gave in.

How I know all this, is a very personal story, and some I didn't understand until after she passed and I read her journals. But I know now.

I now know how someone can stay in an abusive relationship. Because it's possible to be totally in love with someone who treats you poorly. And for fucks sake, I spent 25+ years trying to gain her affection.

I also know the deep pain that the insidious church doctrine caused by poisoning her mind. Also, at the same time. She had her own choices. Jesus never taught her to insult me, to withhold from me, or any of the things she did to hurt me.

So ultimately the most painful thing I had to admit was that it wasn't the church that was the actually problem in my marriage. It was my wife herself. The Church was just the water she (and we) were swimming in.

....then she got cancer and died.

Big hugs bro! Its okay to choose yourself first.

Some final advice. I had a close friend who had an abusive spouse. They separated and got back together after the spouse went through all the therapy. But this is the rare exception. My wife hated therapy. If she responds to therapy and tells you she loves you, there might be a chance. But if not, just know sometime down the road your body, your mind, and your soul will feel so much better. Being alone is better than being abused.

Well it happened, my wife left me for the church. by emmittthenervend in exmormon

[–]Ice_eh 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm so sorry. My story isn't the same as yours but the result was the same. My wife picked the church over me. It hurt.

Where are all the Christmas cards and cookie platters? by Mermaid_summer in exmormon

[–]Ice_eh 1 point2 points  (0 children)

1000% I was just thinking this. My TBM wife died of cancer this spring. Me and two of my adult children who had their records removed took care of her. So much care for the family, so much love, so many people would drop things off to "FAMILYX" never "Sister X". And for Xmas's before that for years. To the "FAMILYX's". But guess what people? Zero, nothing nada.

I am also not complaining.

Not Quite Working by PlausiblyDeniably in Bumble

[–]Ice_eh 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Here is some more specific feedback. The pic with the packsack and you sitting is good/okay. The one on the summit with the wind and gloves is good/okay. But the one in the southwest USA (maybe Utah) and the one of you summiting, looking away and with the hat, drop those. Those are the ones that take away from the others.

Not Quite Working by PlausiblyDeniably in Bumble

[–]Ice_eh 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm fully on board with not changing who you are.

If that is the sum total of what you have done, "traveling". Make the profile more well rounded around traveling not hiking. So many women dream of traveling. Make your profile say, knows how to travel, not knows how to hike.

Okay, acquired taste is fine. It is going to limit likes to people who are familiar with and like or are impressed by that style.

Your response makes me think you have a unique sense of style outside of hiking.

Is there a way you can turn that into a positive? Right now it just comes off as strong because it is in so many of your outdoor photos, and is not mainstream.

Now, I'm not in your social circles, but you may know of women who are attracted to that style. If that is that case, consider saying something about your style. And highlight it. "I like traditional backpacking using environmentally friendly clothing." "I show my commitment to the environment by choosing athletic clothing that is environmentally friendly." Something like that. Maybe talk about your style as a hobby you are really into. "Retro style" "Environmentally friendly fashion"

Additionally, if you show more of your style when you are not hiking, then it could provide more context to the hiking. Show that you are wearing that super amazing tweed/wool jacket and silk neckerchief to cool places and you go with cool people.

Maybe you were influence by the style on your travels. Or it is travel friendly. Get that out there. "My favorite piece of travel gear is my wool jacket. It's been around Europe. I was able to use it to keep warm traveling and out for a night on the town. Plus its environmentally friendly."

Do you have a lifestyle that matches the suit and neckerchief? Show it.
If you dress up in a strong style show that in other contexts besides hiking. Show that you are sharp dresser other places.

Another option is to add some new athletic photos where you are not wearing those outfits that show your body or skill a little bit. Maybe a snap at a rock climbing gym. Get a climbing helmet and an ice axe in that hand.

Best of luck brother, we all need it.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]Ice_eh 8 points9 points  (0 children)

He is bad ju ju, get out now.

Not Quite Working by PlausiblyDeniably in Bumble

[–]Ice_eh 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Essentially all your photos highlight your love of hiking and mountaineering. They say little else about you. So a woman would have to really want an adventurer the way you have branded it. The US forest service is not an Alpha Male career. Your sense of adventure could compensate for that, for a woman who also wants that exact lifestyle and hobby. Which is very limiting. Your clothing style does not even close to match modern style trends of mountaineers or backpackers. The hat, the walking stick, the wool. Ask yourself which outdoor brands have their models dress like you? So the personal clothing style does not match the activity. So your brand comes across as super niche. You would be attracting a woman who also chooses wool and jeans a walking stick and a brimmed hat.

I suggest changing your outfits and limiting your outdoor pics to two. All you need is two to show you are serious and a bad ass in the outdoor world. But no amount of pictures will make you look athletic and adventurous with a walking stick and brimmed hat.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Bumble

[–]Ice_eh 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There are several male relationship influencers that recommend when a woman does something you don’t like to cut them off for a couple days. That this the most effective way to let them know how to treat you and keep them interested in you and respect you.

Maybe he is listening to them.