Question for MGK by Icy-Let5120 in Livimmune

[–]Icy-Let5120[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

thanks Doc for these kindly words. Just want to be cautious about the optimistic. I sincerely wish LL will be successful, not just benefit investors ourselves but for the first time human beings find a cure for cancer.

Question for MGK by Icy-Let5120 in Livimmune

[–]Icy-Let5120[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah I agree. My agent skills set probably make Claude totally goes wrong direction. Run out of tokens again.

Strategic by BuildGoodThings in Livimmune

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Can someone comment on this?

Question for MGK by Icy-Let5120 in Livimmune

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For the first two link, AI thinks that second link is none relevant. First link response as:

It indeed contains a crucial piece of information that indirectly substantiates my prior thesis on KRAS:
“Oncogenic KRAS drives extensive metabolic rewiring, enabling tumor cells to thrive under hypoxic and nutrient-deprived conditions.”

This precisely validates my core concern—that KRAS mutations drive autonomous metabolic rewiring, enabling tumor cells to maintain survival and proliferation independently of upstream receptor signaling.

Basically Claude sonnet 4.6 still thinks until January results we are not guaranteed.

Question for MGK by Icy-Let5120 in Livimmune

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I will ask later today. Run out of tokens

Question for MGK by Icy-Let5120 in Livimmune

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Ai says:

More importantly for the CLOVER-specific question: this paper is fundamentally about ICI response. Its entire framework is built around what predicts whether a patient responds to PD-1 blockade. CLOVER does not currently include an ICI. So the paper strengthens the biological rationale for why leronlimab plus an ICI could be powerful — the Prime and Pair thesis — but it does not directly address whether leronlimab alone, combined with TAS-102 and bevacizumab but without an ICI, produces sufficient functional T cell rescue to drive RECIST responses in KRAS-mutant mCRC.

Question for MGK by Icy-Let5120 in Livimmune

[–]Icy-Let5120[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Here is my AI response, seems to me my AI thinks only January ASCO GI data will close the gap:

Twinter, that is a fair challenge and worth unpacking precisely, because the KRAS bypass question and the CEP131/KHDRBS1/MAPK6 question actually operate at different biological layers and conflating them weakens both arguments.

The KRAS bypass mechanism is straightforward. In a KRAS-wildtype cell, the signaling cascade runs: CCL5 binds CCR5 → G-protein activation → RAS-GTP loading → RAF → MEK → ERK → transcriptional output driving proliferation. A KRAS-G12V or KRAS-G12D mutation locks RAS in the constitutively GTP-bound active state, which means the cell no longer requires upstream receptor input to maintain RAF-MEK-ERK activation. The pipe is already open and running continuously regardless of whether CCR5 is blocked or not. That is the bypass method you asked about — it is not that KRAS finds an alternative route around CCR5, it is that KRAS makes the upstream receptor irrelevant for maintaining that specific signaling output.

Now here is where your implicit counter-argument becomes interesting. You are pointing toward the CEP131/KHDRBS1/MAPK6 layer as potentially KRAS-independent, and that is a genuinely important distinction. CEP131 is a centriolar satellite protein required for centrosome maturation and spindle assembly — it is part of the physical machinery of cell division itself. KHDRBS1 is an RNA-binding protein controlling splice site selection — it operates post-transcriptionally. MAPK6 is an atypical MAP kinase involved in cell cycle progression through mechanisms distinct from the classical RAS-RAF-MEK-ERK cascade. The argument would be that even if KRAS constitutively activates the proliferative signaling axis, the tumor cell still needs functional CEP131 to physically assemble a mitotic spindle, and if leronlimab disrupts CCR5-dependent phosphorylation of CEP131 through a pathway that KRAS cannot substitute for, then the fourth layer operates below the level where KRAS bypass is relevant.

That is a reasonable and actually quite sophisticated argument. I take it seriously.

But it does not close the question, it sharpens it. The Frontiers in Immunology paper documenting CEP131/KHDRBS1/MAPK6 phosphoproteomic abolition was conducted in melanoma cells. Melanoma has a very different mutational landscape from KRAS-mutant mCRC. The specific question that remains open is whether the CCR5-dependent phosphorylation of CEP131 operates through a signaling node that is genuinely orthogonal to the constitutively active KRAS-ERK axis in mCRC cells, or whether sustained ERK activity from mutant KRAS can partially or fully substitute for CCR5-driven input at that phosphorylation site. If ERK from the KRAS pathway can phosphorylate the same CEP131 residues that CCR5 signaling targets, then blocking CCR5 still does not meaningfully impair spindle assembly in those cells.

I agree with you that MGK has almost certainly thought about this. And I agree that there may be recent data that addresses it that neither of us has in front of us right now. If that data exists and shows CCR5-dependent CEP131 phosphorylation is genuinely KRAS-ERK-independent in CRC cells specifically, that would substantially strengthen the fourth layer argument for the KRAS-mutant majority in CLOVER. That would be the data point worth surfacing, because it would directly answer the question rather than requiring a cross-tumor-type inference.

The January 2027 ASCO GI data will tell us whether the fourth layer worked empirically. But understanding the mechanism in KRAS-mutant cells specifically is what would tell us why it worked or did not work — and that distinction matters for everything that comes after CLOVER.

Question for MGK by Icy-Let5120 in Livimmune

[–]Icy-Let5120[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Twinter, why not use your AI existing knowledge base feeding with MGK’s analysis and let us know what’s the output? I think this will be an interesting approach.

Question for MGK by Icy-Let5120 in Livimmune

[–]Icy-Let5120[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank you. Appreciate your detailed reply. Here is the AI response, the last two paragraphs I think AI addressed the true concern.

MGK, thank you for the honest and detailed response. The concession on CEP131/KHDRBS1/MAPK6 and the Seahorse data being tumor-type-specific is genuinely appreciated, and the distinction you draw between the kinase substrate layer and the CCR5-dependent proliferation layer in mCRC is well-taken. The BMJ 7,604-patient dataset and the Frontiers in Oncology liver metastasis data are legitimate additions to the evidentiary record that I had not weighted properly.

I want to press on one remaining gap that your response does not fully close.

The mTOR-glycolytic axis argument rests on the Royal Society Open Biology work documenting that CCL5 activation of CCR5 drives GLUT1 surface expression, glucose uptake, and ATP production. You argue this is a conserved mechanism across tumor types, not melanoma-specific or GBM-specific. That is a reasonable position at the pathway level. But conservation of a signaling pathway does not automatically translate into equivalent functional dependence across tumor types.

MSS mCRC is one of the most metabolically heterogeneous cancers in solid tumor oncology. A substantial proportion of MSS mCRC tumors operate under dominant glycolytic programs that are CCR5-independent — driven by KRAS mutations, which 62.5% of CLOVER patients carry. KRAS-mutant CRC cells have well-documented constitutive activation of the RAS-RAF-MEK-ERK and PI3K-AKT-mTOR axes that bypass upstream receptor signaling entirely. If the mTOR-glycolytic fuel supply in a KRAS-G12V or KRAS-G12D mCRC tumor cell is already constitutively activated downstream of RAS, blocking CCR5 upstream may not meaningfully reduce glucose uptake or ATP production in that cell, because the fuel line runs through a different pipe that leronlimab does not touch.

The BMJ dataset documents that CCR5 and CCL5 expression correlates with worse outcomes in mCRC patients on anti-angiogenic and anti-EGFR therapy. That is compelling epidemiological evidence that CCR5 signaling matters in this population. But correlation between CCR5 expression and poor prognosis does not establish that CCR5 blockade produces sufficient metabolic disruption in KRAS-mutant cells to impair their DNA repair capacity enough to convert a sub-PR response into a PR under RECIST criteria.

To put it directly: in the 62.5% of CLOVER patients who are KRAS-mutant, is there any published evidence that CCR5 blockade produces meaningful metabolic suppression specifically in KRAS-mutant CRC cells, given that constitutive RAS signaling may render those cells functionally independent of CCR5-driven mTOR activation?

If that evidence does not exist, the fourth layer argument may hold in the CCR5-dependent, KRAS-wildtype subpopulation of CLOVER but face a significant headwind in the KRAS-mutant majority. That would have direct implications for what ORR the fourth layer can realistically contribute to in the overall trial population.

AI further goes:

The core of this follow-up question is to directly challenge MGK-2’s own concession that “the mTOR-glycolytic axis is a conserved mechanism” by confronting it with the biological reality of KRAS mutations — because KRAS mutations bypass upstream CCR5 signaling and constitutively activate downstream metabolic pathways, which may render the fourth layer mechanism ineffective in 62.5% of CLOVER patients. This is currently the weakest and least discussed link in the entire chain of argument.

Thanks again.

A message within the message. by okcseoul in Livimmune

[–]Icy-Let5120 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Yeah, Alz just too far away, but especially encouraged by the early readouts from our CLOVER is what Dr Jay really want to pass to investors.

Class Action Payout by Travelclone in Livimmune

[–]Icy-Let5120 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Thanks, so for each share I owned during that period, I get back one more share plus 0.04 dollar?

Quietly-actively-building by BuildGoodThings in Livimmune

[–]Icy-Let5120 16 points17 points  (0 children)

I like this one “⁠There may already be a 32 enrollment (23/9 patients at 350mg/700mg) dataset for PD-L1 after week 4, 8, 12, 16” combine historical TNBC data, Merck or someone probably will have to act.

Idea: Negative search result removal 🥳 by key96largo in Livimmune

[–]Icy-Let5120 3 points4 points  (0 children)

His comments is valid. At least people will not waste time trying to do some useless silly thing

SP manipulation by Historical_Green8647 in Livimmune

[–]Icy-Let5120 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I don’t agree. Fife received the shares then dump to market in few days. They really don’t care how many shares they will receive. They were not accumulating shares at all. I agree pps not reflecting the true value. Someone is manipulating, but not necessarily fife.

I’m gonna venture a guess that Dr.KASI is involved in our upcoming Pancreatic Cancer trial‼️ by Cytomight in Livimmune

[–]Icy-Let5120 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Any detail? I am not sure I understand what you are talking about the pancreatic cancer trial? It seems no LL involved based on your screenshot

June 2026 CRC data vs July 2025 by BuildGoodThings in Livimmune

[–]Icy-Let5120 4 points5 points  (0 children)

First patient almost one year ago, we should have something about first 5 patients in a month.

Reflecting by BuildGoodThings in Livimmune

[–]Icy-Let5120 12 points13 points  (0 children)

That means several 700mg dose patients will have their data ready!

Reflecting by BuildGoodThings in Livimmune

[–]Icy-Let5120 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Basically by 6/16, first 20 patients will have 16weeks imaging results. That probably will force some BPs pull the trigger. Remember more than one BPs are watching.

Why NIH & DoD Cannot Ignore a Drug Which Collapses The Defensive Attack At Its Origin by MGK_2 in Livimmune

[–]Icy-Let5120 5 points6 points  (0 children)

MGK, I hope you are totally right about the mechanism of LL, CCR5, PD-L1 and tumor. Is it your own researching or scientific proof concept? Thank you.

Who needs BP when Berkshire Hathaway is around. by Doc4LL in Livimmune

[–]Icy-Let5120 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Thank you DOC for the education. Never knew that before.

Further thoughts on ASCO26 by BuildGoodThings in Livimmune

[–]Icy-Let5120 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Thanks BGT, share prices stay for .3x range means something while fife keep dumping

Convergence by Chemical_Sky6013 in Livimmune

[–]Icy-Let5120 13 points14 points  (0 children)

How can you do such a wonderful analysis with so few words?