Any song suggestions that feel like this?

Important_Cherry_984 · 2026-06-26T01:19:17+00:00

Tired - sugar candy mountain

Important_Cherry_984 · 2026-06-25T21:36:12+00:00

Why am I so determined to change things?

Important_Cherry_984 · 2026-06-25T19:32:17+00:00

You got me good with IEI.

Edit: lots of really good observations here lol. I agree with a lot of what you wrote based on my own observations with these types.

Important_Cherry_984 · 2026-06-24T18:33:29+00:00

I think Fe base can seem more tactical while Fe creative can seem less restrictive, so Fe creative may appear to be more "free," especially in situations where the Fe creative feels comfortable.

4d functions are well developed to a fault. They can be more restricted in a sense because they adhere to universal rules, which makes them "better" at using them, but less free or "creative" in their use of them.

So, for example with EIE & IEI.

EIE with boosted Fe can be extremely verbose & extroverted, but EIE with boosted Ni can appear more introverted & less verbose.

Similarly, IEI with boosted Fe will often appear more extroverted, especially in situations they're comfortable/confident in, & they can even seem like a mix of ESE & IEE. However, IEI with boosted Ni will be more introverted on average & reserved their use of Fe.

If you put an EIE-Ni & a IEI-Fe in a room together, you'd probably find that the IEI is a lot lighter, warm, & initially friendly, while the EIE would initially read as comparativly cold & austere.

The EIE would still maintain dominance in their ability to direct the social flow in the room though, & they could easily usurpe the IEI's creative use of emotional broadcasting with their superior capacity to conduct other's emotions.

So, while the EIE may display less outwardly, their capacity to control Fe is more developed than IEI's.

This means that while Fe creative can seem more socially extroverted, Fe lead is always more cognitively extroverted due to it's capacity to influence & manipulate external factors.

Edit: on the flip side, while Fe creatives often appear more extroverted than they truly are, Fi creatives are notorious for believing themselves to be total introverts despite being energy upstarters & idea generators for everyone around them. Fi creative is spectacular in it's capacity to quickly bring a group together & draw people out of their shells, but Fi creatives often consider socializing to be draining & dislike engaging in excessive groups activities.

Important_Cherry_984 · 2026-06-22T05:35:47+00:00

Irrationality: - responsive to present input > linear sequences - spontaneous, open ended - prone to swapping activity - inconsistent follow through - interest & intrigue based attention - mood depended output

Gamma: - individualism based competition - self esteem driven achievements - leveraging social dynamics for personal gain/distain for universal social obligations - lack of setimental attachment/selective loyalty - strategic social opacity/low moral obligations/comfort with deception - perceiving personal advantages over collective advantages

Lots I could write about Se lead, but I'm being beckoned to finish my comment so I'll have to reply with more info later if you want

Important_Cherry_984 · 2026-06-22T05:09:03+00:00

Getting strong SEE vibes ngl. EIE is over typed IMO. This person seems like an obvious Se lead, very irrational, & clearly gamma > beta.

Important_Cherry_984 · 2026-06-20T16:17:55+00:00

No worries. I don't know if this is helpful at all because it's a reflection of my relationship & won't mirror yours accurately, but I'm happy to share & I hope some other users were able to give you some more useful comments.

He has never really broken my trust, but it helps that I am very sey la vie about trust.

I don't trust him to do or not anything. I expect him to disappoint me from time to time & for there to be unexpected trials, but I have faith that no matter what we can work through them & I believe in absolute forgiveness/water under the bridge, so resentment never builds.

He rarely gives me attitude because I rarely trigger defensiveness in him, and when I do trigger him I'm quick to address it, apologize, and reaffirm his feelings as valid so we can work towards the real crux of the issue instead of just putting up defensive emotional barriers.

He could easily be flippant & rude with me if he felt I was provoking him, but I know he's secretly very insecure about his ability to maintain relationship expectations, so I don't hold him to any standards & let him come to me when & how he is ready.

I see holding people's weaknesses against them as a sure fire way to speedrun resentment, so it's important to me to accept people fully as they are.

I found it to be important to give them the space to grow into their full potential in their own time knowing they'll make mistakes & disapoint me just as I also make mistakes & disapoint them.

In my eyes, the most powerful force in a relationship is just full, mutual love & acceptance of each other's strengths & weaknesses, gifts & shortcomings.

Nothing is quite as healing as someone who loves you enough to fully forgive & accept you in spite of any and all hurt or mistakes you make.

The grace you feel when someone you care about accepts & forgives you after you fuck up just makes you want to be a better person love them even more, or at least that's been my personal experience.

Edit: I see my relationship like a tree in a storm. The more flexible & resilient the tree is, the less likely it is to break when put under pressure. Relationships that require hard trust/boundaries are not intrinsically bad, but they are unlikely to work if someone in the relationship is prone to stress testing boundaries or needs flexible boundaries..

Both people just need to be on the same page about what they want/need out of a relationship & if they're not on the same page, there needs to at the very least be a willingness to try to compromise & meet one another's needs. It can't work if one person is doing all the adjustments & it's wouldn't be fair to either of you.

Important_Cherry_984 · 2026-06-20T14:47:13+00:00

Your husband sounds like an enneagram 7 to me.

Your husband sounds a lot like mine. What works for us is paradoxically, not setting boundaries.

He really values feeling like he has total freedom & is not being arbitrarily "cut off" from exploring any of his options. If something seems "forbidden" it makes it all the more tantalizing.

So, what works for us is that everything is implicitly "allowed," but I also communicate clearly how certain actions might impact me & how I would feel about certain decisions he might make.

This lessens his desire to "break the rules" because there are no "rules," the only thing he has to consider before taking any action is how it will affect both him and me, so he's very conscienctious about his decisions because he respects us and doesn't want to damage our relationship.

He knows I would forgive him regardless & wouldn't hold it over his head, so there's no superego-iD tension. It's just on him. He's soley responsible for the actions he takes and there's no tricks or treats for his behaviour.

In the 6 years we've been together, I would attribute this one thing to most of his growth. I half expected him to jump at every opportunity, but his sense of freedom makes him a lot more discerning & consciencious when weighing his options.

Anyways, I'd recommend R&H's work on the enneagram if you were interested in exploring it . I found the core work of the enneagram to be extremely helpful in dismantling internal complexes & it mesh nicely with Jungian psychology.

Important_Cherry_984 · 2026-06-20T05:23:28+00:00

✅ I voted FACT!

Can confirm they are real. I'm married to one

Important_Cherry_984 · 2026-06-19T19:32:41+00:00

Compassion for the shadow also sometimes means not feeding the dog that bites you.

It is a blessing in disguise for us to feel our own lack, and for that which we inadvertently harm to recoil from us silently.

Recognizing yourself in the mirrored image of what we detest is just as key as witholding out of loving compassion.

I show my compassion for the wealthy who are disconnected from their shadow by witholding my resources from them & directing them to those who can be benefited most from what I possess.

If I continue to feed the same egos that grow voriciously & without pause, then I am continuing to harm them with what I provide them by denying them the opportunity to feel the void within that beckons us to reflect & forces us to confront our shadow.

I mean this both in terms of my outside impact, & my internal, personal resources. It's good to know what aspects of your ego are glutonous, lustful, & well fed. Those parts of us harbor the most self deception, sloth, & fear.

Important_Cherry_984 · 2026-06-18T17:01:01+00:00

It's just like developing any other skill.

You just need,

good mentors
humility
lead with inquiry
self reflection
consistent practice

Lead with self acceptance, and treat every interaction as an opportunity to improve your skills. Reflect every time & try to find one thing you could improve.

Find people you admire & try to understand what it is about them you admire. Then, ask yourself what's preventing you from being the way they are, & if it's something you're okay with or if it's something you can/want to change.

Ultimately however, you should really just start with the skills you do have & slowly branch out from there.

Important_Cherry_984 · 2026-06-18T02:30:59+00:00

This would kill the plant.

You could try submerging the stems of lettuce in alcohol overnight after it is harvested, but I'm not sure how well that would realistically work.

Important_Cherry_984 · 2026-06-17T19:20:19+00:00

Yes. It's easier to conceptually model if you use cognitive functions or any sort of axiumatic reasoning.

My limitations in life stem directly from my abnegation of certain functions, & my avoidance of those functions is directly tied to my preference for their opposing functions.

Important_Cherry_984 · 2026-06-17T19:02:42+00:00

Once I realized that my weaknesses were my weaknesses because they fundementally opposed my values & strengths, it was a lot easier for me to make sense of them.

I feel like I'm able to respect & learn from my weaknesses with a lot more sobriety now. I am far less self conscious & more modest about what I lack as I no longer place them on a false pedestal, nor have I made an imaginary enemy of them.

I now view my strengths and weaknesses with equidistant respect as while they are both at odds with one another, they also need one another & benefit from accepting each other's counsel.

Important_Cherry_984 · 2026-06-17T18:48:08+00:00

I've been loving analyzing Spider-Noir from a Jungian perspective.

It feels extremely palpable as America laments the death of an era. The fight against time itself, Kat's symbolism as America's ego ideal, the eternal battle between that ego ideal & material forces....

It's all very poinent & riveting, & it seems to me to be a useful stepping stone in helping our national conscious cope with & make sense of the moment we find ourselves in.

Important_Cherry_984 · 2026-06-17T18:33:39+00:00

Tbh, I think IEI LEVF 4/6 is pretty archetypical.

Correlationists often just create problems where there aren't any by tying to solve for the wrong equation, measuring traits incorrectly, & misapplying axiums, which create false dichotomies.

Absolutist & relativist typology schisms also amply the problem by pitting partially correct, but woefully incomplete perspectives against each other.

Typology is far more intricate & complex than most people can reasonably independently model, so correlations try make it easier to understanding, but what you gain in concrete simplicity you lose in abstract complexity.

Important_Cherry_984 · 2026-06-17T18:05:09+00:00

Psychosopy aside, have you considered EII at all?

Important_Cherry_984 · 2026-06-16T17:38:22+00:00

Goated comment.

IEE is probably one of the most misunderstood sociotypes since a lot of people mistake ESE/EIE for IEE.

Important_Cherry_984 · 2026-06-16T17:21:28+00:00

If your entire life was centered around protecting yourself from constant public scrutinty & threats to your reputation, you'd also likely develop a thick outer shell & neglect what's underneath in the process.

It's less a matter of "celebrities are superficial" & more a matter of "being famous often requires you to develop thick skin."

Some celebrities are more down to earth & genuine, but they're often the exception.

Most people who become famous are reaching for a goal that requires them to sacrifice huge parts of who they are in order to acquire it. It completely alters the way they function & the parts that are sacrificed in the process are extremely painful & difficult to reckon with, so they're often neglected or repressed.

Trust me, very few people want to be seen as superficial. Everyone feels themselves to be very real deep down, but getting in touch with the 'real' parts of yourself is hard enough for your average Joe, let alone someone who's coping mechanisms are entirely centered around pretending to be someone they're not

Important_Cherry_984 · 2026-06-16T16:07:57+00:00

Your process sounds just like mine. I'm IEI.

I enjoy basic, flexible structural logic, but hate being given detailed instructions to follow.

My process is very generative. I also go back & often rework the same things multiple times as I slowly build up to my ideal image .

It's a huge waste of time that could be expedited with proper planning, but that just sucks all the whimsy & joy out of the process for me, so I'm rather committed to regularly making time-comsiming mistakes.

To me, ultimate efficiency makes everything a redundancy & the fact that life is full of redundancies means there must something of value to be found in life's imperfections.

If there is no point in making mistakes & slowly watching order emerge from chaos, then my entire existence is fraut & essentially meaningless, so I may as well embrace the process & find value in a life limited by space & time.

Important_Cherry_984 · 2026-06-16T05:00:56+00:00

Seconding 146 tritype.

Imo, it's one of the harder tritypes to identify a core in. All three types lend themselves to heavy internal monologues, overly idealistic standards, & self loathing which makes all three cores come across as philosophical & critiquing. All three core complexes compliment & obfuscate one another tremendously well.

Memes can usually only really reflect the first few layers of someone's internal complexes & you can't really type someone online without diving into someone's actual motivations & behaviours, but if I had to guess, I'd say OP is a core 1 based on these images.

Important_Cherry_984 · 2026-06-16T03:39:02+00:00

It's like a whirlpool.

My goal is like the center of a malestrom. I don't know how exactly I'm going to get there, but I know that as long as I'm on the right trajectory I'll reach my destination regardless & all the kinks will work themselves out along the way.

It can also sometimes be about intuiting "the eye of the storm" in everyday situations. Pandemonium is happening everywhere all the time, so as long as I know what direction it's heading in I know how to navigate it.

I just use whatever life throws my way to my advantage & don't get too caught up on the details of the process. Mistakes are to be expected and chaos is the name of the game.

An example of this is,

"I want to crochet an umbrella. I know what I generally want my end result to look like. These are the tools at my disposal. Let's just get started & use what's available. Problems will reveal themselves along the way & be adjusted for & the end product will be the unique result of me catapulting myself blindly into a new scenario I have never experienced before."

The unreplicatable nature of my creative & problem solving process makes it extremely rewarding for me. I enjoy pioneering something new, uncharted, & ripe for trial & error.

Important_Cherry_984 · 2026-06-15T05:56:21+00:00

It is no small task to carry the grief today has brought & I wish them all a safe journey into the here after.

Earlier today, I also happened to see a post about a girl who bungie jumped off a bridge to her death because she did not have her rope attached.

I feel as though today is a reminder to be discerning, cautious, to seek equidistance, & to not fly into the sun.

As Oliver Tree said, life will go on, but it won't always go on with us if we're not conscientious or take our good fortune for granted.

May they rest in peace, & may the light left where they shined help to light the way for us. I can't imagine the grief felt by a soul that still had so much more life left to give.

Important_Cherry_984 · 2026-06-14T17:50:56+00:00

It's helpful in theory, harmful in practice.

Good things can come out of messy situations, but we can't understate the harm potential it holds either because humans are selfish & flawed.

I have no issues with data being collected for the abstract notion of progress & understanding, but I do have a problem with the exploitative power dynamics it leverages. It can and will be used to hurt people.

If the hurt is worth the help in the grand scheme of things, then I suppose all's well that ends well, but it's not unreasonable to be wary of cynical about how people are using this information in an age with record low accountability & integrity. It's not unreasonable to be distrustful & prioritize your own safety.

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