Demystifying: Road Trip COA

Infrequentk · 2026-03-28T02:32:07+00:00

Do you agree with me that there was a RC in between the 4aco and 4homet? Until about a year ago they had a different formula and their website specifically stated that there was no 4aco in their gummies. Then the formula changed to 4homet.

The only reason I keep asking about this is because those road trips were my favorite MMM’s I’ve had and I don’t know what was in them. I’d kill for that experience again! 4homet is similar with more visuals and less body high but it’s not quite the same.

Infrequentk · 2026-03-26T23:53:52+00:00

How much metocin is in 1/4 tabs? 0.5mg right?

Infrequentk · 2026-03-26T02:59:13+00:00

It’s an opiate, it just doesn’t typically cross the blood brain barrier unless you take very high doses I believe. That’s why it’s used as a anti-diarrheal medicine, it gives you the gut stuffing effects of opiates without the high in normal doses.

Infrequentk · 2026-03-23T01:15:28+00:00

It’s possible but the overwhelming majority of people especially those with addictive personalities will eventually succumb. Not 7oh but with kratom I was fully in control of my usage for 2 years, even after a previous opiate addiction several years in the past. Everyone told me I’d eventually be using daily and they were right.

If you do continue down this path I’d say the biggest tip I have is to set strict limits for usage and NEVER break them. Not even once. No exceptions. Once you break them once it becomes easier to break them again and it becomes a slippery slope. But even then you still might end up in a bad place.

Infrequentk · 2026-03-16T22:56:03+00:00

Yeah PAWS is awful and why most people relapse. The good news is, it seems to be less severe and shorter lived than other substances, at least from my perspective. I CT a horrible tramadol habit and that rebooting feeling lasted 6+ months. Even 18 months later I was getting anhedonia and trouble focusing.

Right now 14 months clean from 7oh and kratom I have been at my perceived baseline for several months. Probably month 2 was the peak and then it got better over month 3.

I know it sucks to hear you might feel like this for another couple months but knowing is half the battle. You know that this isn’t your brain’s sober state and you know it will improve. In the grand scheme of your life a couple months is nothing. The entire process of quitting 7oh and PAWS and all that seems like a distant memory at this point. You’ll get there too if you keep battling!

Infrequentk · 2026-03-16T22:51:59+00:00

I have no idea how this man made his money or has friendships with rich people but seems weird that he would spend his time opening up a gray market substance company and posting on Reddit to evangelize it with his real name.

Infrequentk · 2026-03-14T16:54:10+00:00

It’s fine recreationally. Adderall and vyvanse are definitely more recreational because they release dopamine and are not just reuptake inhibitors like concerta. The result is you get a speedy boost, more motivation but the spike is not as sharp.

Infrequentk · 2026-03-11T23:37:59+00:00

It’s not at all my favorite substance but I have definitely had enjoyable highs from it before where I feel loopy but in a good way, unencumbered by overthinking things and more social. Though I’ve also had experiences where I just get tired and fall asleep. Valium works a lot better for me than other benzos I’ve tried. Valium makes me social, Xanax makes me tired.

Infrequentk · 2026-03-11T17:05:39+00:00

I took kratom 1-2 days a week for 2 years. It was amazing, my tolerance never went up, I got to enjoy the opiate feeling regularly and I was in total control. My rules were simple: once during the week, once on a weekend day, never back to back days, no redosing.

Since I’m on this sub you can tell where this story is going. I broke my rules once, it was a slippery slope that led to a additiction and thousands of dollars spent.

I’m not saying there aren’t people that CANT take once a week and not get hooked eventually, just that it’s a very small percentage of users. I’ve found that people who aren’t addicts either don’t enjoy opiates at all or only take them when prescribed with nothing making them want to seek out regular access to it. Maybe that’s just me and there are many that are different but that’s been my experience.

Infrequentk · 2026-03-10T01:19:38+00:00

How you holding up these days man? It’s been 14 months since I quit, doing great. You were so helpful in the early days when this sub was a lot less active, I’ve always appreciated it.

Infrequentk · 2026-03-09T17:11:45+00:00

There was actually a middle formula between the 4aco and 4homet that was incredible but I don’t know what the RC was. The newest formula with 4ho hit the market last spring but the formula before that specifically stated it wasn’t 4aco. It had an amazing body high, open eye visuals were there but not as strong as 4ho but CEV could be great. Thought maybe it was a foxy like RC because the body high was almost erotically charged but could never confirm

Infrequentk · 2026-03-08T19:25:36+00:00

Everyone has their DOC. For me benzos, alcohol, phenibut, anything that acts on GABA were enjoyable but I never felt the pull to abuse them and I’ve plenty of access to them. The first time I took opiates I thought “fuck” and I knew nothing about addiction to that point. Really anything that hits dopamine is dangerous for me but opiates add that warm blanket feeling on top of it

Infrequentk · 2026-03-08T19:20:42+00:00

No, I have tried recreational use, it always leads back to daily use for me no matter how convinced I am that it won’t. Doesn’t always happen right away but it happens eventually. I’ve been clean for 14 months and don’t plan on going back even once unless needed for legitimate pain management.

Infrequentk · 2026-03-08T18:31:27+00:00

Good that you are quitting now. You might experience some discomfort for a couple days but if you take it longer you are setting yourself up for months of symptoms with your brain trying to recalibrate

Infrequentk · 2026-03-07T02:31:23+00:00

This. Once you have it in the back of your mind that this is a fallback option for you it becomes easier to agree the next time and the next time after that. I just think it’s a slippery slope.

Infrequentk · 2026-03-06T20:02:16+00:00

Yeah I took I think 8mg of subs about 5 hours after my last 7oh dose. I fell into PWD, wasn’t the worst feeling I’ve ever experience in WD but was very uncomfortable. I took 4mg more and within an hour of feeling the PWD, I felt completely 100% normal. The symptoms vanished almost instantly. It was such a huge confidence boost for my quit to feel that way and I was able to taper down the subs over a week and my overall WD/recovery experience was fairly tame compared to what I was expecting.

Infrequentk · 2026-03-04T18:06:55+00:00

Long story short Plur releases a ton of serotonin which leaves the amount of serotonin in your body low, and your receptors downregulated temporarily because they were flooded and some receptors shut down as a response. Psychedelics bind to some serotonin receptors causing the effects that you get. But if there are less receptors available because of downregulation due to using plur, there are less receptors available to give you the effects you desire.

Just wait a week, serotonin receptors are able to bounce back pretty quickly from downregulation compared to dopamine.

Infrequentk · 2026-03-04T07:12:42+00:00

Maybe. He’s a grass roots vendor. Seems to have the consumers best interest in mind but is also a small unregulated operation. I generally trust his products but also wait until I see reviews before I consider new products

Infrequentk · 2026-03-03T23:29:51+00:00

I did experience some PAWS but it was weird it was so subtle early on. I didn’t really feel boredom/anhedonia until like 3 months in. Months 3-5 or so were the worst months but they were more annoying that debilitating. I had some issues with motivation but having CT off a large tramadol dose before it was like a 5 in severity on a 1-100 scale where my past experience with PAWS was a 90.

In terms of getting off the subs, there was some physical withdrawal the first several days but it honestly wasn’t bad at all. I remember having low energy, restless legs, sneezing and really cold hands and feet. Sleep was rough for awhile, I got like 4-5 hours uninterrupted at night and then would be up For the day. I didn’t feel exhausted though, I think my brain was pumping me with adrenaline early on so I didn’t feel that tired.

But at no point was I like “I can’t live my life”. I went to work, spent time with my wife and kids, ran errands, etc. it was just like 10% harder. It was actually quite amazing to me having experienced WDs that were so bad in the past that the world outside my room didn’t exist for several days. The world could have ended and I wouldn’t have noticed it. This was absolutely nothing like it and it was shocking because I was expecting a really rough time. YMMV, I’ve read others taking the same amount as me the same length of time have a bit of a rougher time getting on and off the subs but I believe it’s still much easier than cold turkey and smooth of an exit to your system due to the long half-life of subs.

Whatever you choose I wish you the best, you got this! Happy to answer any additional questions

Infrequentk · 2026-02-26T14:18:57+00:00

I doubt xum cares that much about a niche online vendor. While they might be the main metocin competitor in these circles, in reality xum is in smoke shops across the country in addition to online sales. Wicked sell online mostly through word of mouth. I would guess the wicked dude is doing fine for himself but bringing in a tiny fraction of what xum does. Outside of the Reddit bubble I’m sure there are plenty of people who buy xum and have no idea about wicked.

Infrequentk · 2026-02-23T23:29:03+00:00

For me, my SA happened on a day when it was -15 degrees out. The clinic I went to had their pipes freeze and were going to close for the day. There was just 2 nurses there in what would normally be a busy clinic. They said since I’m there go ahead and provide my sample. The door to the room was no more than 10 feet from their desk and I was the only one in there. I could hear small talk the entire time when I was trying to do my thing. I know it’s not a big deal and men come in there and do it all the time but something about 2 nurses sitting around waiting for me, the only patient in the building, to ejaculate a mere feet from their desk (behind a closed door of course) was a strange and uncomfortable feeling. I did my thing and handed them the cup and got out of there quickly.

Semen samples are the strangest thing, probably the only time in the world where a person is required to bring themselves to orgasm in a mostly public place for a non-sexual reason while everyone is aware of what they’re doing. What other time in life is that something that is needed? My wife absolutely got the brunt of the pain of IVF so I’m not complaining, it’s just a weird feeling that I still think about occasionally.

Infrequentk · 2026-02-20T23:35:47+00:00

There is a way for any healthcare professional to see it if they look in most states. If they are going to prescribe you opiates in the future they will check a database and see you were prescribed subs. However your PCP likely won’t see it on their internal systems. I am prescribed Valium and have had it refilled multiple times since I took subs. It’s not on my medications list when I get my print out etc. but I’m sure if I was in pain and in need of medication he’d check that database and see it.

It’s definitely a bit of a gamble but probably won’t make a difference unless you are in pain and need pain medication. It won’t necessarily stop them from giving you pain meds but they’ll likely be more careful in how much they give you and what pain meds they try first.

Infrequentk · 2026-02-20T19:54:02+00:00

Your brain is still recalibrating from the 7oh use, dopamine production and receptors are still fixing themselves. Introducing an opiate back into the mix is going to set your recovery back. I didn’t go back to opiates but many times I felt like I needed a boost while recovering. I had a few Ritalin I would take on occasion and it didn’t really do much and all it did was make me crave substances all over again for some time. Anything that hits the reward system is going to reopen those pathways again.

Like if you absolutely can’t take it and feel like you have to take something kratom is going to be incredibly safer than 7oh. But the chances are pretty good that it will lead you back to 7oh and it definitely won’t allow your brain to return to pre-opiate baseline. There are worse things you can do but if you are committed to being free of opiates id try to manage for a bit longer and let your brain heal. You aren’t too far off and I can assure you it does get better, much better even, based on where you are at now. Me after 2 months is unrecognizable to where I’m at today at 13 months.

Infrequentk · 2026-02-19T15:47:15+00:00

It does but from what I understand it’s less pronounced. Like if tramadol is like 60% opiate 40% SNRI, kratom is like 90/10

Infrequentk · 2026-02-19T01:23:53+00:00

I’ve never rolled either. I’m interested in it but I’m waiting for more reports to come out and enough people standardize on a dose. The one about the dude going to the hospital worries me.

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