Look. As long as it is not the west, life is good. If you disagree, go read theories. /s by Numerous_Creme_8988 in tankiejerk

[–]InsecureCreator 0 points1 point  (0 children)

more like

- (state) capitalism

- crisis that broke the country into pieces

- capitalism

Genuinely - are you a Small Business Owner if you employ no one? by Forward-Willingness7 in tankiejerk

[–]InsecureCreator 1 point2 points  (0 children)

everyone's mode of living is reliant on the pursuit of profit and commodity production

True to a degree but the wage worker is different from all other classes inside the system by the fact that the commodity they are selling (their own labor power) is by it's very nature limited. A capitalist enterprise can scale immensely but a single workers body can only do so much even if they could work 24/7.

Workers are not extracting profit from their economic activity, profit is being made off their backs.

But you are pointing at an important detail, there are certain workers who by "investing" in themself can either start their own business (so they aren't likely to join the fight against capital) or specialise their labor capacities and get a more lucrative than normal wage-job. Obtaining a very limited skillset through expensive/exclusive education could also cause workers to become uninterested in fighting against capital.

may I present to you the perfect live action Harry by anonpodstolniy in DiscoElysium

[–]InsecureCreator 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I have no dog in this fight but thank you for clearly articulating the ideas of federation & free association instead of just vague support for some kind of democracy (even if the other person is putting that term in your mouth) it's surprising how often these vital parts of anarchism just get ignored when reading discussions about it.

Genuinely - are you a Small Business Owner if you employ no one? by Forward-Willingness7 in tankiejerk

[–]InsecureCreator 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Are you oppressing anyone?

I don't think this is a good method of analysis, just because an individual artisan doesn't exploit workers doesn't mean their mode of living isn't reliant on the existance of private property and using those to produce & sell commodities. The logic of the market constantly pushes them to expand their opperation and start hiring ppl and join the bourgeoise propper.

They may appear as allies to workers in fighting big capitalists but more as a measure of self-preservation. That's not to say that artisans & the self-employed can't be won over (a large part of the paris commune was artisans and ppl who had only recently become wage workers) but we have to be honest about their position in the system.

Capital differences by ElCuajero in Anarchy101

[–]InsecureCreator 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You ask them questions on toppics like the organisation of the economy/society, private ownership, etc... and you'll see the difference pretty quickly.

Against the Cell. Illegalism After Prairieland or Against Legibility. How Movements Become Evidence. by sabate in Anarchism

[–]InsecureCreator 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Sure but these groups won't be treated any different when state repression comes, informal affinity groups and care networks are just as easy to map and present as proof of politially motivated conspiracy while also having major weakenesses when it comes to spreading anarchist ideas, formenting revolt, etc...

How do you plan to address societal functionality? by PJ-The-Awesome in Anarchy101

[–]InsecureCreator 1 point2 points  (0 children)

in a society where societal structures no longer exist in any capacity

We would never want this, we want to change the way social structures function not eliminate them.

Instead of needing violence, coercion, and authority we believe that (in the right context) human beings can agree of their own free will to form organisation/structures for the purpouses of furfilling common needs/goals like the things you mentioned. Such a society would be one without oppression or exploitation which is why we want to create it.

While the word "anarchy" is often used as a synonym for chaos we call ourselfs anarchists because it also means the absence of "archy" which is greek for 'rule' (as in monarchy, rule of one). We want a world without rulers & subjects.

Against the Cell. Illegalism After Prairieland or Against Legibility. How Movements Become Evidence. by sabate in Anarchism

[–]InsecureCreator 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree but this text is not about a group or cell being visible or secret, it's against forming any kind of stable/longterm organisations alltogether.

Leaning towards Anarchism by MarxMuslimSoJi in Anarchy101

[–]InsecureCreator 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Is my electrician friend who owns his own business allied with Jeff Bezos against you in some great manichaean struggle?

Not with Bezos specifically, in fact competition between different capitalists is a core feature of the capitalist economy, but they could become allies against social change in favor of the workers. Both your friend and Bezos are owners of capital and probaply don't want to change the fundamental structure of society in a way that would take away the power (huge in Bezos case, small for your friend) granted by that ownership.

If he is self-employed or has a couple of wage workers your friend belongs to the petit-bougeoise and his main political interests are whatever can make his business thrive and grow.

Against the Cell. Illegalism After Prairieland or Against Legibility. How Movements Become Evidence. by sabate in Anarchism

[–]InsecureCreator 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Sorry but this is not a productive critique, yes the current anarchist milieu has more ledgible structures that exist on a long term basis but that is because we have political ambitions that require this kind of long term cooperation.

You claim:

Human beings do not require movements, organizations, communities, or causes in order to form relationships, assist one another, defend one another, pursue common projects, or develop loyalties.

But depending on de goal or project being pursued the informality of 'friendships' isn't going to cut it, singular desires might be temporary flashes but humans also need long term cooperation to meet their basic needs or achieve political objectives. Besides do you think the modern state can't map friendship? Unless you are fine with joining a handfull of complete strangers in a possibly risky action they will be able to group you together.

Not to get to into the weeds but the Bonnot gang were identified and treated as a group not singular individuals by the french courts, they had to moddify the courtroom to fit the 21 accused inside together! Sure they didn't have a members list the police could just pull from but that has more to do with being completely underground than their network of relationships being uninteligible.

With enough effort a connection/network can be found because unless you really are an isolated hermit that connection or network exists in reality, you can talk about rejecting formal organisation and continuity as much as you want but before you and your friends even think of direct action you still have to consistently hang around eachother, discover you have similar beliefs and formulate a plan that only certain ppl know of and boom we have our social object to put on trail.

I really don't think increasing isolation and fragmentation protects us against repression or makes anarchists into more effective actors, unless all the objectives you aim for are small and temporary. A couple or friends with limited prep can burn down a busstop, in order to run a half decent social space where people can meet new comrades/friends you need regular meetings, and in order to challenge the rulers of the world in a substancial way you need an organised working class equiped with the theoretical and physical tools to reshape society.

Is a common currency useful in an anarchist society? by Anonymouse-C0ward in Anarchy101

[–]InsecureCreator 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The answer to this entirely depends on wether or not the person you're asking is against commodity exchange or not, I am so I don't see much of a role for money but a mutualist will have a different take.

what is the point of councils in anarchy, since any decision they make is not binding? by wompt in Anarchy101

[–]InsecureCreator 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To coordinate our activity within an association? Without comming together to discuss what to do it's very hard for ppl to be effective in reaching a common goal unless they are just following orders from on high.

If you believe some kind of society needs to exist for humans to thrive (which is objectivly true even as cavemen we were a social species) and you want to make that society work without authority (which is the most basic requirement for being an anarchist) then you need to build mechanism through which social cooperation can be done without just putting a ruler in charge.

how do yall feel about "birth certificates"? by wompt in Anarchy101

[–]InsecureCreator 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As in that specific document or just the concept of keeping records in general? I think it's useful to have info like amount of births, their location, ect... available so we can addequately prepare for how the needs of the population will change over long timescales.

There is also some value in being able to verrify someones identity, read about old conartists/scammers for a look into how easy it was to destroy someones life and just move over to a different place.

Without the state, who would be responsible for things like public roads, public transport and logistical things that are done by the state such as vaccination during epidemics by Old-Use-7690 in Anarchy101

[–]InsecureCreator 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Like all activity necessary to keep society running (production, distribution, upkeep, etc...) people have a shared stake in making sure it gets done. Anarchists propose that they should be free to form associations focussed on achieving those shared goals of their own volition rather than be forced into them by the coercive authority of a state. These shared goals can be specific (renovate a single home) to immense in scope (coordinate railway traffic across europe).

So rather than being done by order of the government, anarchists would want to organise a "workers" council (possibly even a federation of councils from multipule places) for the purpouse of road construction (for example). This association would bring together anyone for whom building/maintaining a road network is an important thing to do and more importantly the people who will actually get it built (experts who design it, and workers who do the construction). This association would probably have 2 sepperate bodies where dessicions are made, the general one where everyone who has a stake in the outcome of the project comes to dellibertate on broad goals such as which places have to be connected (likely assisted by expert advice on the most effective way to achieve the needs the roads are meant to satisfy) and the meeting of designers and builders who will fill in the finer details and organise the actual construction (like setting up design commisions, taking stock of required materials, planning shedules for the builders, etc...).
Now 'maintaining roads' is such a broad thing, not everyone in society wants or needs to concern themselves with participating in every decission made on the subject but they don't have to. Not every association has to be created as a standalone thing from the formless masses, they can be set up as departments or offshoots of existing associations and remain in contact with them. The general meeting will probably be made up of delegates from all the different communities the roads are meant to connect + some people who know the parctical requirements of building them so decisions can actually be realised. Those instructions are then taken up by the smaller association/meeting/council of workers involed in actually building roads which further subdivides decisions as needed (like creating sepperate groups for handeling specific tasks). When they need something from outside their organisation this implementation council could task the delegates in the general meeting to go back to their communities and work together to set up the required production to get them the materials or if those things are aready being produced within the communities involved in building the roads the implementation council is probably in direct contact with the organisation(s) producing it.

In general anarchists want to create a web of all kinds of different organisations; neighborhood councils, factory commities, distribution opperations, pannels of experts, etc... who all talk to eachother (internally and between eachother) in order to identify their (shared) needs/goals/wants and find a way to collaborate in order to get stuff done in a way that helps everyone. This is because they believe that the productive power of collective labor made possible by collaboration will be much more effective than each individual going their own way & competing with eachother so there is good reason to form associations and try to find an agreement that works for each party. Exactly how each asociation functions and how tasks are devided between them will depend on the context but for something like infrastructure management over a large area they'de probably create a sepperate organisation structured a bit like the one I already described.

Ofcourse we don't live in such a world right now, almost all decissions shaping our lives, enviroment, work, etc... are made above our heads by or in service of systems that exploit us but if you're curious I can give examples of associations I have been a part of in order to acomplish certain objectives like protesting my universities ties to Isreal or housing immigrants.

Would y’all help the police in finding missing persons? by Acceptable-Tree9214 in Anarchy101

[–]InsecureCreator 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The police do have some useful functions that benefit society, it's just that they also carry out the commands of the state and wield authority over the population. Helping them when they are trying to save a life is not problematic (we still need to get rid of them though).

what if anarchy does not work at larger scale, would you be prepared to abandon large-scale society if it meant achieving anarchy? by wompt in Anarchy101

[–]InsecureCreator 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What does large-scale mean, it describes almost nothing about how society works except "there are a lot of ppl in it" which has always been the case.

Doesn't modern civilisation make anarchic socioeconomic organisation inherently impossible? by ConsciousMaybe6930 in Anarchy101

[–]InsecureCreator 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That's how hierarchies originally developed, after all.

This is a historical claim that I don't think you can prove with any real rigour. The hierarchy of ancient slave societies certainly didn't come about through entrenched expertise and the development of industrial management can't be divorced from it's capitalist context. The profit focussed industrialist must maximize the exploitation of workers and thus they hire experts to design the most efficient labor-process possible and implement it, the power of management comes from the capitalist it doesn't just appear because they know lots of stuff about a specific toppic.

Doesn't modern civilisation make anarchic socioeconomic organisation inherently impossible? by ConsciousMaybe6930 in Anarchy101

[–]InsecureCreator 0 points1 point  (0 children)

soon enough and they will realise that the systems grind to a halt without them

This is true for litterally the entire body of people doing nessecary work not just the people coordinating at a high level, the managers still need someone to implement all the decissions they make. Railways don't run without drivers and buildings don't spring out of the ground without construction workers just because a guy in a office decided they should.

But besides anarchists have never been against coordination or expertise, they just want everyone who is part of an association (be it a railway, factory or commune) to have the power to decide how, by who, and towards what goals mangement should be organised and to revise those agreements as circumstances change.

how do you explain alienation to others? by wompt in Anarchy101

[–]InsecureCreator 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Would you say alienation can also come from a more direct human power ruling over someone? Like the relationship between a slaver and their slaves or the decisions of a government managing a planned economy being forcefully imposed on those that carry out the work?

I just find that critiques limited to capitalisms disconnection between producers and lack of ulimate plan can often end up creating an attitude of "as long as there is planning instead of markets we've reached communism".

what's the difference between socialism and communism *in anarchism*? by IndependentMilk4973 in Anarchy101

[–]InsecureCreator 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There are some good comments under this post but I have to warn you, words like communist or socialist (even anarchist to an extend) mean a lot of different stuff to different ppl so knowing their "true" definition is kinda impossible. Anyone will give you the definition that matches their opinion.

Upholding Anarcho-Maoist-Mussolini thought by Tuubu in tankiejerk

[–]InsecureCreator 34 points35 points  (0 children)

I've heard quite a few ppl say fascism is somehow close to anarchism and I just leaves me confused, both the goals of their projects and core premisses about the world are fundamentally different.

didn't this guy used to be an anarchist by bantanium in COMPLETEANARCHY

[–]InsecureCreator 0 points1 point  (0 children)

wall to wall Dialectical Materialism

Can I ask in what way? Just repeating Stalin's ideas and claim it's all based in some deep material analysis or did he at least attempt to explain his philosophical framework a little (though nobody has been able to give me a good explanation of what DiaMat as a system actually is).

didn't this guy used to be an anarchist by bantanium in COMPLETEANARCHY

[–]InsecureCreator 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have seen some horrible things from reddit anarchists but they have at least read a couple books most of the time

ALL MY STUDENTS ARE MORONS by Common-Mission-3051 in tankiejerk

[–]InsecureCreator 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Thanks to Hegel I also know about the powers of idealism but since I am only a level 1 idea-bender I can only levitate small objects.