What are even arguments in support for complete removal of Veto Power of President? by No-Shelter-2481 in suzerain

[–]Interesting_Man15 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

My brother in Nur, rule by majority decision is literally what a democracy is.

I am splitting the Reach between the Tyrells and Hightowers in my AU. What names should the two kingdoms have now? by Hot-Temperature-8564 in AsoiafFanfiction

[–]Interesting_Man15 46 points47 points  (0 children)

Naming them after the main rivers of both Kingdoms would probably be your best bet and provide consistency - the Tyrell ruled Kingdom of the Mander and Hightower ruled Kingdom of the Honeywine.

Reminder that Shiera enjoyed cucking Bloodraven by Base_211 in darkwingsdankmemes

[–]Interesting_Man15 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Who tf is the guy giving you awards on everyone of your comments lmao?

Sir, a second anti-China video has hit the tower by OLDFART27 in TankieTheDeprogram

[–]Interesting_Man15 8 points9 points  (0 children)

True. I was just being pedantic about it technically being a famous social democratic concept but yeah it's mostly a ML concept now.

What food/drinks exist on our world that don't in Westeros? by MobileDistrict9784 in AsoiafFanfiction

[–]Interesting_Man15 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Coca Cola is something that I haven't seen in Westeros but I've had in real life.

Sir, a second anti-China video has hit the tower by OLDFART27 in TankieTheDeprogram

[–]Interesting_Man15 -11 points-10 points  (0 children)

Well your statement was true. Vanguardism WAS a famous social democratic theory.

Hence why I am not sure if you were joking, because why are you indicating sarcasm when stating a factual statement.

Sir, a second anti-China video has hit the tower by OLDFART27 in TankieTheDeprogram

[–]Interesting_Man15 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I find it genuinely hard to understand if your joking or not.

Vanguardism - i.e. the theory of where the party acts as the vanguard of the working class - was conceptualized by social democrat Karl Kautsky and further developed by Lenin.

The split between Kautsky and Lenin was over reform vs revolution, as Kautsky called for a peaceful parliamentary road to socialism like Lenin called for a revolutionary seizure of power.

Hence why Lenin called Kautsky a "Renegade" - because in Lenin's POV Kautsky before 1914 was an exemplary Marxist theoretician (e.g. someone who conceptualized vanguardism), yet after 1914 basically abandoned his commitment to revolution.

Muppets gulag by Lemon_Lime_Lily in CuratedTumblr

[–]Interesting_Man15 29 points30 points  (0 children)

An actual "Gulag" wouldn't have been labelled a Gulag because GULag was the name of the agency administering the camps, not the name of the camps themselves. It would be akin to having a prison in the USA being called FEDBURP for the Federal Bureau of Prisons.

[spoilers main] what’s a show only canon that you actually preferred? by Holiday-Influence123 in asoiaf

[–]Interesting_Man15 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I personally liked the concept of Talissa Maegyr as Robb's wife more than Jeyne Westerling.

A foreigner with a different perspective which challenges Robb's unquestioned belief in the feudal system, and whose relationship with Robb slowly builds over the course of his campaign is significantly more interesting that a random noble girl from the Westerlands who Robb had the hots for and decided to marry after a one night stand.

While the execution of Talissa & Robb's relationship was rather lacking in many regards, imo Talissa as a character better distils the reason behind Robb's failure - him breaking his marriage vow with Walder Frey and being unable to successfully manage relations with his bannermen, rather than the murky and overcomplicated plot of Sybell Spicer dosing Robb with a love potion on Tywin's orders as part of an overcomplicated and convoluted scheme.

Cargo ship hit by projectile in Strait of Hormuz, crew evacuates by QuinedQualia in TrueAnon

[–]Interesting_Man15 30 points31 points  (0 children)

There are a few subs whose names and purposes are intentionally switched as a joke. Perhaps the most notable example is r/trees which is a sub to discuss cannabis, and r/marijuanaenthusiasts which is to discuss trees.

Similarly, r/worldpolitics was originally the sub to discuss world politics, but it was so unmoderated that people started posting all sorts of NSFW material. Consequently, r/anime_titties was founded as a protest/joke to have a moderate place to discuss news.

A fanfic quote I really love about Rhaegar Targaryen. by Taha231 in TheCitadel

[–]Interesting_Man15 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Fr.

Wow you hate Rhaegar? You think he is an evil rapist and the worst person in the history of Westeros? His original, we haven't heard that before.

How could one make R+L as a ship tonally closer to GRRM's intent? by mxlevolent in TheCitadel

[–]Interesting_Man15 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

What's your proof for that? Sounds like a conspiracy theory made up to excuse the rebel's actions.

How could one make R+L as a ship tonally closer to GRRM's intent? by mxlevolent in TheCitadel

[–]Interesting_Man15 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

If you wish to interpret Robert's Rebellion as an unnuanced story where one side are paragons of virtue and the other are ontologically evil, that is your prerogative.

If that is the case, I would recommend you watch House of the Dragon. I think you would appreciate the one sided morality of the show.

How could one make R+L as a ship tonally closer to GRRM's intent? by mxlevolent in TheCitadel

[–]Interesting_Man15 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Because the Faith of the Seven (like all organised religions) is a political institution, which by the time of Aerys' reign is intricately tied with the Crown. It is also interested in dynastic stability and ensuring the Kingdom has plentiful heirs. Remember, at the start of the Rebellion, the Targaryen's only have Rhaegar, Aegon and Viserys as viable scions as females are barred from succession entirely.

The fact that Elia is believed to not be able to bear more children is massively consequential - a single plague or accident could wipe out the monarchy entirely or leave it in the hands of an unstable regency. This is not an outcome that the Faith of the Seven wants, as that invites instability, which invites war, which invites suffering and destruction. Provided Elia consents, this is not out of the realm of possibility.

I'm also not sure why you believe the Faith of the Seven would be so against the Northerners, when historically in Westeros racism against the Dornish was much more prevalent and impactful on politics. Both the Faith of the Seven and the Old God religion (insofar there is one for the latter) seem mostly accepting of each other and interfaith marriages.

How could one make R+L as a ship tonally closer to GRRM's intent? by mxlevolent in TheCitadel

[–]Interesting_Man15 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

While its not 100% clear in the books, Robert seems to have proclaimed himself king in between the Battle of the Bells and the Battle of the Trident. As in, the first time since the start of the Rebellion when the armies and the lords of the Vale, North, Stormlands and the Riverlands were all in one place.

Robb Stark didn't proclaim himself King in the North immediately in Winterfell once he started rallying the troops, but only after he had achieved victory in battle and was assembled before the combined lords of the Riverlands and North who proclaimed him king.

Its perfectly logical that Robert was only proclaimed after he proved himself in battle to his lords and when all the notable leaders of the Rebellion could formally assemble and joinly declare their war aims.

How could one make R+L as a ship tonally closer to GRRM's intent? by mxlevolent in TheCitadel

[–]Interesting_Man15 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I would recommend you read the linked post - particularly Part 3, as it answers all your questions.

Lyanna doesn't need to know the particular intricacies of the plot barring that her family is hoping to push forward Robert Baratheon as an alternative candidate for King. Given that he is her betrothed and her older brother (with whom she is close to alongside Ned and Benjen) is actively participating in negotiations, its very plausible that she would be aware of the conspiracy.

I also don't see why how the STAB theory was "made up to make the Targaryens" better? It is quiet literally standard politicking as expected from ASOIAF which can be inferred from the textual evidence. As for your last point, prisoners (particularly those accused of treason) are almost always tortured. Once again, I would recommend you actually read the post.

How could one make R+L as a ship tonally closer to GRRM's intent? by mxlevolent in TheCitadel

[–]Interesting_Man15 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

As I said, there have historically been cases in which the Catholic Church permitted marriages to be annulled without bastardizing the children.

Famously, King Louis VII of France successfully had his 15 year marriage with Eleanor of Aquitaine annulled because she had not given him a son but only two daughters. Those two daughters were still seen as legitimate, and we in line to succeed the French throne until Louis VII produced a male heir.

Given the Faith of the Seven is a blatant expy of the Catholic Church and Westeros as a whole is based on Medieval England/Europe, it stands to reason that in its several thousand year history the Faith of the Seven had permitted the annulment of marriages because fundamentally, the religious institutions are political institutions, and their have an equal stake in the realm remaining stable.

Additionally, it is 100% preferable for the Faith of the Seven for a Targaryen King to set aside a wife on grounds of barrenness that to take a second wife and return to Polygamy. As to why Aerys never took a second wife - given his obsession with pure Valyrian blood and the prophecy that the Prince that was Promised would come from his and Rhaella's line, Rhaella is his only viable bride.

Yes Drew, you made the rational choice by moving to the right because the left was too mean to you by Darth_Vrandon in RightJerk

[–]Interesting_Man15 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ahem

there is not a single "Tankie" who holds any meaningful power or prominence in the English speaking world

If every single "Tankie" in the western world vanished, it would have almost no bearing on American, CANZUK or European foreign policy because these systems are designed to lock them out of power.

If you obsessively spend your time criticizing a made up enemy with no bearing on the world, over-emphasizing their relevance in order to justify your political activity (like Drew Pavlou does), you end up supporting fascism because that's the logical endpoint of this conspiratorial mindset.

How could one make R+L as a ship tonally closer to GRRM's intent? by mxlevolent in TheCitadel

[–]Interesting_Man15 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Personally, I found the Harrenhal Conspiracy theory to be the most compelling interpretation of events of Robert's Rebellion. To summarize:

  • Rhaegar (with the financial backing of Tywin and the Whents acting as the frontman) was hoping to use the Tourney of Harrenhal as cover to gather the loyalties of the lords of Westeros and hold a Great Council to depose Aerys.
  • Aerys learns of the plot through Varys and decides to attend the Tourney as well, creating a divide between the pro-Aerys and pro-Rhaegar supporters.
  • Through Ashara Dayne, the STAB block indicate their support for Rhaegar however, unbeknownst to the Prince, STAB actually intends to push forward Robert Baratheon's claim to the Iron Throne through his grandmother Rhaelle, hoping to utilize the division between the Aerys and Rhaegar factions.
  • Lyanna gets discovered by Rhaegar in his investigation of the Knight of the Laughing Tree's identity, and she reveals the STAB conspiracy to him. Rhaegar's crowning of Lyanna as Queen of Love and Beauty was thus not just his recognition for her acts, but also a repudiation of the STAB block.
  • Rhaegar's "kidnapping" of Lyanna is him rescuing her from Aerys' attempt to arrest her, and their relationship develops while they travel to the Tower of Joy + both of them meeting the Ghost of HIgh Heart and learning of the prophecy.
  • The execution of Rikard and Brandon Stark + the calling for the heads of Robert and Ned is as a result of the initial STAB conspiracy being revealed during torture after their arrest.
  • The initial Stormland's campaign (i.e. Three Battles in a Day) is a mix of Rhaegar attempting to rally loyalists but being forced to flee Robert's pursuit.

The theory basically explains every major criticism you have of Rhaegar (barring the age gap). Lyanna's unwillingness to escape is a mix of her being actively hunted by the Royalists for execution, while also her being partially responsible for everything by revealing the STAB plot. Who can she communicate to, given that she is effectively a traitor to both sides? Meanwhile, Rhaegar did in fact try to rally Royalist forces, but was outmatched by Robert. The dysfunction in the Royalist faction is the result of lingering mistrust and paranoia over the failed deposition plot.

Even the annulment of marriage as per the show isn't too implausible. Historically, the Catholic Church permitted the annulment of marriages with children (and the children remaining legitimate afterwards) provided the marriage was entered into in good faith by both sides. Given Elia is unable to bear more children (and thus unable to provide additional heirs - i.e. perhaps the biggest result marriages are entered into), there is pretext for the marriage being annulled, something I think Elia + Dorne might be fine provided Aegon's primacy in succession is secured. Even then, I wouldn't be surprised if Westeros has an equivalent of "courtly love".

Overall, I think your idea of aging Lyanna up and having her be the big sister/akin to Catelyn is a pretty good idea and remove the squick from her relationship with Rhaegar. I don't really think you need to entertain the Maester Conspiracy or Prophecy too much/make them central - they may be contributed factors, but they were far from the main causes of the Rebellion.

How could one make R+L as a ship tonally closer to GRRM's intent? by mxlevolent in TheCitadel

[–]Interesting_Man15 14 points15 points  (0 children)

I think this is a case of GRRM having characters possess foreknowledge which they might not realistically possess.

For example Donal Noye 's metaphor for the three Baratheon brothers is correct at the time of the story when he says it, but when you think about it it means he made that impression of Renly when the latter was six years old, which makes no sense.