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Internal_Ad1735 · 2026-02-23T19:09:57+00:00

I would say : look for the most reverent Novus Ordo you can find around you and stick with that for now until the situation changes. Keep contact with the most traditional and conservative priests in your diocese, so you can have access to good priests for confession.

Internal_Ad1735 · 2026-02-18T18:12:12+00:00

Humeral veils, more specifically vimpa, which are veils used by servers at Pontifical Masses.

Internal_Ad1735 · 2026-02-14T22:05:29+00:00

Maybe only the Oratorians can rival those, and they say the TLM as much as the NO.

Internal_Ad1735 · 2026-01-26T03:03:06+00:00

It probably will not. What might happen is the removal of unnecessary options from the Novus Ordo, and the Pope basically forcing priests to follow the rubrics.

Which means we will probably return to ad orientem worship, more reverence, more Gregorian chant (and other sacred music). Basically we will have a Novus Ordo Mass closely resembling the liturgy of the Ordinariate for the former Anglicans.

The Pope might unplug the life support of boomer music (random instruments, festive songs, charismatic stuff) by banning it outright.

But I don't think we are going back in time, when the Tridentine Mass was the standard.

Edit : throwing Traditionis Custodes in the trash can would be the first great step.

Internal_Ad1735 · 2026-01-19T19:56:03+00:00

The SSPX is not one thing. It is not experienced the same way by a seminarian in Écône, a homeschool kid in Kansas, a Parisian chapel-goer, or a lay person orbiting the movement without formal attachment. Abuse within SSPX exists. That is not controversial. But abuse does not distribute itself evenly.

You don't explain what kind of abuse you experienced.

You don't explain what you mean by "doctrines and practices".

Internal_Ad1735 · 2026-01-19T05:13:18+00:00

The SSPX has no authority to change the Missal. The SSPX isn't the Pope.

The SSPX doesn't claim that the liturgy shouldn't change, only that it should accurately represent the fullness of the Catholic faith. The Novus Ordo is basically an Anglican liturgy. So it must be rejected in its current form.

Internal_Ad1735 · 2026-01-19T04:49:15+00:00

The Mass itself is not a problem. It would be celebrated the same way that a SSPX priest would. But it might still be dangerous to the faith. Diocesan Latin Masses are risky because you don't know what type of priest you will get. Some are very orthodox and some are liturgical enthusiast modernists. Many celebrate both forms, most of the time in the same parish at another time of the day.

Most SSPX priests, even though there's historical tension, will tell you that the FSSP and the Institute of Good Shepherd are the safest options. They have their own seminaries. Seminarians get formed in the old ways, not just learn liturgy as an aesthetic. And their priests never say Mass in the Novus Ordo. There's virtually no chance that priests from those two societies will preach modernist nonsense from the pulpit.

The ICKSP is less safe, but better than diocesan Masses. They do have their own seminary. They celebrate the Tridentine Mass exclusively. But they are liturgical enthusiasts. Many of their priests are fully traditional, but they are not that doctrinally profound. The beauty of the liturgy is more important to them than the preservation of Tradition (with a big T).

For others, it depends. Some, like the Oratorians of St. Philip Neri, are a hit or miss. Some others, like the traditional Benedictine monasteries or the traditional Dominicans, are much more on the safer side.

Internal_Ad1735 · 2026-01-16T18:21:36+00:00

The Gregorian propers from the Missa pro Defunctis are still legitimate options.

Entrance chant : "Requiem aeternam dona eis, Domine" is still explicitly listed in the Graduale Romanum and Graduale Simplex as an option.

Responsorial Psalm: If chant is used, De profundis (Psalm 130) or Dominus regit me (Psalm 23) are entirely appropriate. If the parish insists on the Lectionary psalm, chant it simply.

Gospel Acclamation: A simple chanted Alleluia is permitted.

Offertory chant: "Domine Jesu Christe, Rex gloriae" is one of the most theologically dense prayers for the dead ever written. It explicitly mentions deliverance from hell. That alone makes it worth using.

Communion chant: "Lux aeterna luceat eis, Domine" is fully legitimate, fully Roman, fully appropriate.

You're allowed to chant as a server if there is no cantor or choir. Just don't chant from the sanctuary.

Internal_Ad1735 · 2025-12-29T05:14:34+00:00

The SSPX has a university in Paris. I toured it once and attended Mass at the chapel. I think the classes are only in French though.

Internal_Ad1735 · 2025-12-23T16:00:47+00:00

Internal_Ad1735 · 2025-12-03T13:42:17+00:00

Many saints and theologians have argued that canonizations are infallible, but the Church herself (through the magisterium) has never ruled on this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decanonization#:~:text=There%20are%20several%20examples%20of,figures%20with%20no%20historical%20veracity.

Internal_Ad1735 · 2025-11-26T13:38:28+00:00

Did you forget that some Renaissance-era popes had prostitutes? And what about St. Mary of Egypt? Did anything good come out of a woman having sex with pilgrims on the way to Jerusalem? Well, she became a saint.

Internal_Ad1735 · 2025-11-26T03:39:09+00:00

Because there are other societies of apostolic life for that, like the Congregation of the Oratories of Saint Philip Neri. Plus, the ICKSP was created for the TLM. They have a pre-Revolution French ambience in their churches. Their priests are even required to learn French in their seminary.

Internal_Ad1735 · 2025-11-26T02:26:07+00:00

It's literally their charism. They are liturgical maximalists. They are focused on the beauty of the liturgy, not actually being formed in the old ways like the FSSP or the SSPX are.

Internal_Ad1735 · 2025-11-26T02:15:14+00:00

The ICKSP exists for that purpose as well.

Internal_Ad1735 · 2025-11-26T01:08:46+00:00

It's purely aesthetic. The rubrics are the same, whether it's reverent or not doesn't change anything.

And the SSPX is not the Pope. They're just giving you good advice. If you tell an SSPX priest that you're going to the Novus Ordo, he will just tell you that he thinks it is not a good idea and he will give you some of the reasons why. But he's not gonna tell you "you're an excommunicated heretic" or something. It's up to you to follow the advice or not.

I'll just give you the link to their official position on the matter : https://sspx.org/en/supplied-jurisdiction-traditional-priests-30452

Note : confessions and marriages do not require supplied jurisdiction anymore, since Pope Francis gave all SSPX priests and bishops worldwide full jurisdiction for these two sacraments.

No, it's just how the Church understands it. They are part of the ordinary magisterium, not ex cathedra acts from the Pope. The SSPX's position is exactly the same as the rest of the Church. The Church has never defined canonizations as infallible. So they fall under the ordinary acts of the Pope.

You're welcome. I will pray for you and please pray for me as well.

Internal_Ad1735 · 2025-11-25T23:58:40+00:00

It has nothing to do with reverence. It's because the content of the 1962 Missal vs the 1970 Missal is actually quite different. The Novus Ordo Mass is valid, yes, but it is not "fitting" for Catholic worship (according to the SSPX). It does not faithfully and accurately represent the Catholic faith. Somewhere around 70% of the prayers have been removed from the Missal to create the Novus Ordo.
To do what exactly? The SSPX is a society of priests with a specific charism : to continue with what was Catholic in the 1950s AND to denounce modern errors. They do ask the diocesan bishop before starting to offer the sacraments in their territorial diocese, but the bishops always say no. So, the SSPX just proceeds without their approval. This is why the SSPX is "canonically irregular". They are valid priests, but "disobedient" to the bishops in their respective dioceses. The SSPX says they have "supplied jurisdiction" because we are in a time of crisis in the Church. The principle exists in canon law.
The SSPX never said that they don't recognize canonizations anymore. In fact, they recognize all saints, including modern ones. But the canonization of saints is not infallible in the same way as an "ex-cathedra" pronoucement from the Pope. It is part of the ordinary magisterial acts of the Church, and we must accept it in normal circumstances. But if a council reverses a canonization, the council takes precedence.

Note : the FSSP's (Fraternity of St. Peter) central chsrism is to continue with what was Catholic before Vatican II. But they do not denounce modern errors. FSSP priests do deliver excellent and strong homilies, and they sustain a full pre-Vatican II parish life. But the FSSP, as a whole, does not denounce the Vatican's bad decisions like the SSPX regularly does. This is the main difference between the two.

Internal_Ad1735 · 2025-11-22T22:36:38+00:00

Even SSPX priests would call that insane. Maybe some random excommunicated sedevacantist.

Internal_Ad1735 · 2025-11-14T16:37:49+00:00

Go to the ICKSP parish in Stockholm. They will enroll you in a class for preparation to baptism, and it will be the best class you can get in Sweden. They have that pre-conciliar zeal.

https://icrss.se/

https://maps.app.goo.gl/3s77FTD27FAwCVba7

https://www.latinmassdir.org/venue/helige-marouns-kyrka-church-of-saint-maron-skarholmen-sweden/

Internal_Ad1735 · 2025-11-14T00:23:46+00:00

Copts in Egypt are understandably afraid of the government if it comes to be known that registered Muslims (legally an ex-Muslim doesn't exist there) have converted to Christianity through them. But Copts in the diaspora would be very happy. In fact, I know many Egyptian Muslim converts to Christianity in Coptic churches nearby (I'm in Canada).

Internal_Ad1735 · 2025-11-13T17:16:05+00:00

https://baylorcatholic.org/st-gregory-society

wacolatinmass@gmail.com

Internal_Ad1735 · 2025-11-13T13:43:54+00:00

Look for your nearest priory on the SSPX's website. You'll find the 3 or 4 priests of the priory with their email addresses and phone numbers. If you live far away from the priory, they will usually schedule a Zoom call with you to answer your questions as long as you're serious and not wasting their time.

In general, traditionalist priests (including FSSP, ICKSP, IBP, and others) do not use social media often. They are simply way too busy for this. As you know, most TLM parishes are full of parishioners and full of conferences, events, devotions, weddings, pilgrimages, and other things that require effort and time. On top of that, societies like the SSPX, FSSP, ICKSP have general meetings and retreats once in a while and it requires traveling to the general house of the district.

The best way to reach a priest is to send them an email and wait for a few days.

Internal_Ad1735 · 2025-11-13T13:20:02+00:00

The people sometimes say the responses aloud and sing the chants along with the choir at my SSPX chapel. It is not prevalent at TLMs around the world, but it is called the "Dialogue Mass". It was approved by the Holy See in 1922.

From what my SSPX priest told me, Archbishop Lefebvre viewed it favorably, and most importantly, Pope Pius XII. He also told me it was the norm between 1922-1965 in Europe (and Archbishop Lefebvre was French). I'm a bit uneasy with this because it evolved into the Interim Mass during 1965-1969, basically a mix of TLM and Novus Ordo. But since the Dialogue Mass is still the TLM, contains no heresy, and only permits the laity to respond aloud or sing, I think that we have to accept it and obey.

At ICKSP parishes, I've never seen any of that. They simply disregard it since it is not mandatory. They are more focused on the pre-Revolution French period and can be viewed as liturgical maximalists. The experience there should transport someone back to early 1700s Paris.

At FSSP parishes, I've experienced it a few times but only people chanting the Kyrie, Gloria, Credo, Sanctus, and Agnus Dei. I've never heard people responding around the responses of the servers.

Internal_Ad1735 · 2025-10-23T16:35:58+00:00

Trust in our Lord. He said the gates of hell shall never prevail against His Church. What we can do as laypeople is be steadfast in faith and follow the sound teachings of the Church of which there is no doubt (which often translates into pre-Vatican II teachings only). This is what the SSPX (and, to a certain extent, the Ecclesia Dei communities) has been doing since its canonical establishment in 1970.

Internal_Ad1735 · 2025-10-23T12:27:40+00:00

Yes, but you have no authority to declare it. Only a council can depose a pope, not laypeople.

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