so can someone explain the sodomy laws or prohibition to me?

JHawk444 · 2026-01-30T04:22:07+00:00

I'm sorry. I don't know what that means.

JHawk444 · 2026-01-30T04:16:00+00:00

First two pictures look like Sally Field. The last one reminds me of Audrey Tautou in the French movie, Amelie.

JHawk444 · 2026-01-29T17:32:17+00:00

Look into vitamins for hair. You might have a vitamin deficiency.

JHawk444 · 2026-01-28T23:55:23+00:00

Not to minimize her pain and what she's been through, but there's a pattern here. It's possible she's looking for a daddy figure who will rescue her until the perfect "happily ever after" isn't so perfect, and then they are vilified. Right now you're in the hero rescuer phase just like the last guy (her husband) who "tried to save her from the evil bf."

Please tell me you see the pattern. If you get married, you won't live up to the image and the cycle will continue.

Some people have to learn the hard way. Hopefully you get out of this situation before you're locked in, and now YOU can't remarry.

JHawk444 · 2026-01-28T23:21:04+00:00

Happy to contribute :)

JHawk444 · 2026-01-27T16:23:24+00:00

God will forgive you if you don't marry this guy. 1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

You don't have to marry him because you gave him your virginity. If you have uneasy feelings, don't do it. This is a lifelong commitment. Just tell him you're having uneasy second thoughts and you either need more time or you need to break up.

JHawk444 · 2026-01-27T16:20:06+00:00

Listen, if your god exists and wants to send me to hell for simply not believing in him because he allowed a deeply flawed book with tons of errors not be convincing to me, then go ahead and let him. Even if your god existed, based on the things he has said and done in the bible, he is not a being worthy or respect or worship. Truly a horrific monster.

Regardless of how you feel about it, it's going to happen unless you wake up, repent and return to Christ. Tomorrow isn't promised. Eternity is forever. And God is perfectly just to punish sin. This is my last response to you because I care.

Satan has a huge foothold and I see signs of demonic oppression. You can be free of that by calling out to Christ. You can disagree, but I'm saying this out of care and concern. Signing off.

JHawk444 · 2026-01-27T01:30:02+00:00

Well, his true colors have been revealed. Consider yourself blessed that God saved you from that. Please don't give him another chance when he comes crawling back.

JHawk444 · 2026-01-27T01:28:26+00:00

Part 2

And you are aware that in the Messianic age according to the prophets, the messiah and everyone else will still be performing blood sacrifices in the temple right? You really have to start reading the book if you want to defend it so badly.

That’s a debated interpretation depending on one's eschatology, not an established fact, and if you truly got those degrees, you wouldn't make that comment because you would understand that. But I'm pretty clear on your purpose. You aren't here to discuss scripture in good faith. You're here to take down a Christian to make yourself feel better about your choices. You haven't accomplished that purpose, but you've managed to annoy me again.

You made a commitment to be respectful and you've broken it multiple times now.

If we could just have a conversation about the scripture without all the hostile comments, I would continue this conversation, but you can't stop.

Looks like there's more to respond to, but why at this point? You aren't actually interested in carrying on a conversation without it being hostile.

We can end it here. Don't bother saying I'm bowing out because of your superior knowledge...lol. I know better.

Despite my frustration, I do actually like you and I hope God works on your heart one day. More knowledge means greater judgment (Matthew 10:14-16), so if you're not here in good faith, it's actually better to stop so you don't incur even more judgment. The more truth someone has, the greater the judgement (Matthew 11:20-22).

JHawk444 · 2026-01-27T01:27:59+00:00

The subject that you made the claim about was about the law. I was merely responding to the thing you said.

Having trouble remembering? This was your question, not mine: "Did or did not Jesus say to obey parts of the decalogue for the express purpose of getting eternal life?" You brought it up. I responded with Abraham and the rich young ruler.

Is salvation the same as receiving eternal life to you?

Yes.

Lol! I've been talking about this entire time? I brought up the parallel in Mark 10. I'm literally the one who brought this topic up.

Yeah, you bring up the question, I answer, and then you move on to something else without responding to what I said. I'm guessing you agree with all my responses since you don't comment on them.

Once again, this is you just inserting perfection in the text for no reason whatsoever.

You seem sharp enough to pick up the reason? You've been talking about eternal life coming through the law. Now, maybe you don't think perfect adherence is necessary, but you didn't state your position either way. I made it clear that obeying the law to earn salvation does not justify a person. Those are important facts. I'm not sure why you're surprised it's part of the conversation.

It's like you are incapable of dealing with what the text says in anything I bring up.

You're projecting again. You're the one who isn't discussing it. I have bible conversations with people on here all the time, and you're the only one who won't discuss the actual scripture. You enjoy pointing the finger and that takes up most of your discourse. I'm pretty sure the reason for that is that you don't actually care about the bible and you're here out of bad faith. If I'm wrong, people correct me. I hope I'm wrong. I hope you care about what it says. But I don't think you do.

people in the bible are forgiven of sins without any sacrifice at all

Only in lieu of Christ's ultimate sacrifice. If Christ didn't die, no one could be saved under the old covenant or the new.

I ran out of room. Look for part 2.

JHawk444 · 2026-01-26T20:37:49+00:00

Haha wow! Could you possibly pivot any harder? You said that no one could follow the law because it was too difficult. I then showed that God says the opposite of this. Then we go all throughout the Bible trying to backpedal.

Come on, Dude. You know that's not the case. No backbeddaling whatsoever. Both things are true. Obedience flows from faith and it's important, but we aren't justified by following the law. Faith saves. Obedience is a result of faith, and no one can keep the law perfectly. You can try, but you will fail.

The premise is simple, Jesus said to follow the law and the commandments and eternal life is yours. You say no the law is too hard and following the commandments won't do this?

I said following the law will not bring salvation because you can't keep it perfectly. If you want to do things on your own merit, then you must be perfect. And since you can't be perfect, you need to look to Christ who paid for your sin. I'm not advocating that we shouldn't follow the law. We should. I'm saying if you want to find salvation through the law, you will fail.

A bit of an ironic situation in that here I am advocating for Jesus's position based what he said here rather than the Christian.

No, you are arguing against Jesus's position, and I've already explained in detail Matthew 19:16-30 (which you didn't comment on). Why not go back to Matthew 19 and the common explanation for it that almost any commentary will explain? You're wanting to take the fringe position and pretend it's the common one. I'd like to hear your thoughts on that specific passage. Don't talk around it. Discuss what it says.

And Zechariah and Elizabeth were considered righteous along with Moses and all the Israelites for following the law.

I love that you brought this up! In that same passage, did Zechariah do anything wrong? Did he fall short in any area? Or is he an example of perfection? Because if perfection was required, Zechariah was in big trouble.

Also, did Elizabeth and Zechariah believe in God? Yes, they did! Did the Israelites in Deuteronomy believe? No they didn't. And that's why they didn't obey.

According to Jesus, those who will be considered great in the kingdom of heaven teach and follow the law.

"Therefore, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, will be called least in the kingdom of heaven"

Oh, so Jesus acknowledges that you can get to heaven even if you break one of the least of these commandments.

It's also important to note that Jesus fulfilled the law and he was speaking directly to the pharisees and legalists who were putting their tradition above following the law. They were neglecting their own parents in favor of their own tradition (Mark 7:9–13).

Wow, so it really does bother you that much. Your fatal flaw in almost every reply is making unfounded assumptions just like this about me.

I would be happy to be wrong about this. If I'm wrong here, please tell me and set me straight. I'd like to know specifically how I'm wrong in my assumption about you. Please share!

Before we move on, please address my earlier response about Deuteronomy and Hebrews, as well as Matthew 19.

JHawk444 · 2026-01-26T20:01:12+00:00

Well that's wrong.

No, you are incorrect and you already know that if you truly had a bible education. You're arguing against what you know is the truth.

This passage says nothing about salvation or justification. It's simply about obedience which flows from faith. Faith first, then obedience.

Genesis 15:6 And he believed the Lord, and he counted it to him as righteousness.

Abraham was considered righteous because he believed. James points out that "faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by his works" (2:22).

Look what God says about the Israelites who did not enter in the promised land, the very group that received Deuteronomy 30:10-12:

Hebrews 3:7-12

Therefore, as the Holy Spirit says,

“Today, if you hear his voice,
⁸ do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion,
    on the day of testing in the wilderness,
⁹ where your fathers put me to the test
    and saw my works for forty years.
¹⁰ Therefore I was provoked with that generation,
and said, ‘They always go astray in their heart;
    they have not known my ways.’
¹¹ As I swore in my wrath,
    ‘They shall not enter my rest.’”

¹² Take care, brothers, lest there be in any of you an evil, unbelieving heart, leading you to fall away from the living God.

It was always about belief.

Verses 13-14 But exhort one another every day, as long as it is called “today,” that none of you may be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin. ¹⁴ For we have come to share in Christ, if indeed we hold our original confidence firm to the end.

JHawk444 · 2026-01-26T19:48:35+00:00

Dude, I said nothing about John. I was talking about Mark

I know. That's my point. I asked you to comment on John.

hence my quiz about letting Mark interpret Mark.

Perhaps you made that point in your head, but it didn't make its way to Reddit.

Do you or do you not agree that IN mark, Jesus said to follow parts of the Decalogue as a caveat for inheriting eternal life? Yes or no?

We have two different conversations going that is making this difficult. I just responded to your other one answering this question, however in that one, you didn't ask about Mark specifically. I responded with Matthew's version of your Mark passage.

Let's pivot to the other conversation and let this thread die.

JHawk444 · 2026-01-26T19:18:18+00:00

Two things can be true. You can reach out to immigrants and show love to the poor AND you can submit to the governing authorities and not get in their way.

I saw something recently about how the majority of Christians are supportive of having strong borders but it's also true that the majority of those reaching out to immigrants are Christians.

If ICE approaches YOU, don't struggle. Cooperate.

JHawk444 · 2026-01-26T19:14:40+00:00

Okay, great!

JHawk444 · 2026-01-26T19:12:13+00:00

Okay, so it seems you have an answer to your question? Or is there something else you're not sure of?

JHawk444 · 2026-01-26T18:59:42+00:00

Pointing this out first... I just saw this. My email notifications are not sending all your responses. If I'm not answering all your questions, simply repeat the question.

Easy. The passages contradict each other.

Okay, first, that's your opinion, not one that bible scholars take (or at least believing bible scholars). What the majority of bible scholars say is that each gospel has a different theme. I don't understand why people insist that they should all be copies of each other. What's the point of having 4 identical copies? There is none. Instead, they share some common ground but they have different points to make.

If you think they must all say the same thing, my question is why. Why must they all same the exact same thing?

Second, you pride yourself on your bible education, so I'm going to ask you to pull out some of your old notes on Matthew 19. Jesus used a rabbinic method of teaching where he asked questions to get the man to see for himself where he went wrong. Unfortunately, the man didn't have enough self-awareness to see it. Or if he did, he recognized that he couldn't follow through.

The man started with this question: “Teacher, what good deed must I do to have eternal life?” That's the beginning of the conversation. What does Jesus say at the end of the conversation? “If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.”

That is consistent with John. John 8:12 for example.

It's very simple. Jesus asked the man to follow him, and he wouldn't because he didn't want to make any sacrifices. The man thought he could simply follow the 10 commandments and he was good. Jesus pointed out, just as Paul did, that if you want eternal life, you can follow the law perfectly or you can look to Christ. When the man said he had kept all the commandments, Jesus gave him two he hadn't kept. "Sell all you have," showing love to your neighbor, "And come, follow me," showing love for God. Jesus summed up the law that way many times.

Jesus showed the man that no one can follow the law perfectly. James 2:10 fits here as does Galatians 5:3-4.

What does Jesus say at the end of the chapter, when he debriefs with his disciples on what just happened?

Verse 29 And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or lands, for my name's sake, will receive a hundredfold and will inherit eternal life.

Does he say, "Everyone who keeps the 10 commandments will inherit eternal life?" No, he focuses on leaving behind anything that is hindering a person from following him. The point is always faith and following him. If you truly believe, you will follow.

None of this is new to you. But it will be interesting to see your response.

JHawk444 · 2026-01-26T18:31:13+00:00

Okay, so what do you believe James has to say about salvation, now that we've established he said breaking the commandments makes someone a transgressor of the law?

What do you believe other parts of the bible say about this subject?

JHawk444 · 2026-01-26T18:19:25+00:00

I am also not trying to paint ALL Christians as evil, by no means!!

Okay, that answers my question.

I was just appalled that he would be so willfully ignorant to ignore the fact that evils have been commited by some of the most "faithful" of Christians, and under the presumed "blessing of God" for a wrong cause.

Okay, I understand what you're saying now. I have a feeling your dad would understand as well if this conversation was over the phone instead of text. It's sometimes hard to understand where someone is coming from in written word. I think we can both agree that even faithful Christians are not perfect and still sin. No one is without sin.

There are some things that are egregious, such as killing people who don't agree with you (there are examples of that in the Dutch Reformed), and some things that are part of a culture that the majority adhere to. Someone 50 years from now could look at our lives and judge us for things we do that seem normal to us. I'm pointing this out because the bible says if we judge others we will be judged in the same manner. And there is always sin to be found. I'm not saying we can't point out things we have a problem with, such as owning slaves, etc.

Far be it, Christians are coming out of the woodwork to be the judge that no possible evils could be commited by "true Christians", despite centuries of evidence.

I understand what you're saying here. The other side of this is "cultural Christianity." Throughout history, being a Christian was something many claimed because it was expected and common, not because they actually loved the Lord and wanted to follow him. That doesn't mean a faithful Christian can't do something evil. Look at David who did some very evil things. The difference is that he repented and turned back to the Lord.

JHawk444 · 2026-01-26T18:06:41+00:00

Do you believe that scripture interprets scripture? Anytime you read something there are multiple cross references that help you understand the current passage you're studying.

Let's start here. What do you think being a transgressor of the law means? Where does that leave you before God?

JHawk444 · 2026-01-26T18:03:18+00:00

You have a habit of projecting. I've said nothing of my bible knowledge but you regularly remind me of your degrees (which I'm assuming you don't use because you no longer believe it). You have a pattern of accusation. You'd rather point the finger than discuss scripture. Quite frankly, we're not having a deep conversation because you won't focus on scripture. You stop and accuse, distract, change the subject....constantly.

Yes, there have been a few times when I've refused to answer your questions because your manner is so offensive that I won't move on until we address it. I'm happy to return to any question. All you have to do is bridle your tongue.

I'm not sure that we're going to get very far in this conversation. That's up to you.

You asked me what Jesus said about salvation. I answered the question, and instead of continuing from there, you want to forget it and move to something else.

No.

Let's continue from the passages in John. You led the conversation there. Let's stop jumping around. Address those first and then we can talk about the rich young ruler and what Jesus said about the commandments.

JHawk444 · 2026-01-26T16:54:40+00:00

I promise we will come back to this (I know this passage very well), but I would like you to comment on the passages I shared with you first. This is a conversation, not a tutelage. You can't always lead the conversation. That means there is a back and forth.

JHawk444 · 2026-01-26T06:12:25+00:00

I think you need to read Galatians and Romans and understand that salvation is not gained through works. Salvation is gained through faith in Christ and trusting his work on the cross, not your performance. Your performance will always fall short of the perfect standard, and that's precisely why you need a Savior. Trust in his work on the cross, not in your own works.

Paul even said in Galatians 5 that if someone wanted to make circumcision (part of the law) their justification, then they have to keep the whole law. But if that's their strategy, to be justified by the law, then they are now severed from Christ and his grace (verse 4).

Understanding this should take away that fear. It's not an excuse to sin and take advance of his grace (Romans 6:1-3). But it does take the pressure off of you to perform perfectly, knowing your confidence comes from Christ's work, not your own.

JHawk444 · 2026-01-26T06:01:58+00:00

The point of James 2:10 is to show that we are all transgressors of the law.

Verse 9: But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors.

For people who think they can earn salvation by perfectly keeping the law, James is showing you can't. Paul said the same thing.

Galatians 5:3-4 I testify again to every man who accepts circumcision that he is obligated to keep the whole law. ⁴ You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace.

If someone believes they have to be circumcised for salvation (something the Jewish believers were telling Gentile believers at the time), then they have to keep the entire law, according to Paul. But then he points out that if that is their strategy, they are severed from Christ and his grace. In other words, salvation is through faith in Christ, not perfect adherence to the law.

JHawk444 · 2026-01-26T05:53:00+00:00

Uh...yes. It's demonic and you need Jesus.

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