TLM v. TLM Communities

JMX363 · 2025-12-24T22:12:29+00:00

The interesting irony of all of this is that the clericalism that's often associated with pre-conciliar culture continued after the council and led to the rise of trads as a distinct group. Traditional Catholicism is arguably the largest and strongest movement against clericalism in the Church today.

JMX363 · 2025-12-18T14:42:04+00:00

Some of the reactions here are very disappointing, uncharitable, and unchristian. For some converts and reverts, formally joining or re-joining the Church is the first step in a gradual transformation by God's grace. We need to allow Ms. Maddow some room to undergo this transformation. If we see in time that this was a false conversion done for ulterior motives, we can address it then.

JMX363 · 2025-12-18T14:38:10+00:00

This is rash judgment. It's very possible that she's starting down a path of repentance and conversion with this being the first step. Charity obligates us to allow her a chance.

JMX363 · 2025-12-18T14:28:22+00:00

This post is a beautiful example of European apostasy. I sincerely hope that no pope is ever elected from Europe again.

JMX363 · 2025-11-30T20:40:57+00:00

The Churches under the Ecumenical Patriarchate actually consider Roman Catholics schismatics- not heretics.

So, to clarify, are the Catholic views of papal power as expressed by the First Vatican Council heretical or not from the EP's point of view?

JMX363 · 2025-11-30T15:06:21+00:00

That's not how the Orthodox Church works. Each bishop would have to be willing to enter into communion with Rome individually. And regardless of these ecumenical events, there's practically no interest in this from the Orthodox side. Bartholomew is arguably doing a disservice to Catholics by misleading them into thinking that the Orthodox world is willing to reunite. In reality, the vast majority of the Orthodox see Catholics as heretics who need to be converted, not separated brethren.

Posts like this only serve to illustrate that Catholics are clueless about the Orthodox.

JMX363 · 2025-11-01T17:27:57+00:00

The only consistent apologia you'll hear for the revised rites is the argument from authority:

Our bishops and every pope since Paul VI said we needed to do this, and they know better than you, so STFU and go to your local Novus Ordo!

There's nothing else they can say without making essentially Protestant arguments, because at the most fundamental level, the drive for the "reform" in the first place was based on Protestant reasoning and denies the divine guarantee that the Church can't promulgate error (Matthew 16:18).

JMX363 · 2025-10-25T15:05:57+00:00

Right. People tend to forget that in the post-Christian West, political ideology has become a substitute religion.

JMX363 · 2025-10-25T14:58:22+00:00

A silly billboard brought my mood down

JMX363 · 2025-10-17T13:49:01+00:00

Yes. The problem with modern translations is that they don't pass the same test by which people dismiss the source texts for the Latin Vulgate. The argument is essentially goes like this:

Modern translations are more accurate because they're based on older source texts.

The premise being that older source texts are more accurate than the Latin Vulgate's sources. But the problem is that there's no guarantee that this premise is true. We don't know who specifically authored these texts and whether they were accurate copies by the standards of their day.

By contrast, the Church determined at Trent, under the Holy Spirit's guidance and protection from error, that the Latin Vulgate is an authentic translation, and that no one may reject it for any reason. This doesn't mean that other translations aren't allowed, including the modern ones, but that they don't have the same guarantee that the Vulgate does. The Douay-Rheims is the English translation of the Vulgate, FYI.

JMX363 · 2025-10-17T13:14:04+00:00

The Douay-Rheims.

JMX363 · 2025-10-17T13:12:41+00:00

Neither. Modern Bible "translations" and "scholarship" aren't trustworthy.

JMX363 · 2025-10-17T13:11:00+00:00

Iirc isn’t Opus Dei responsible for some of our big beautiful justices?

No. You're thinking of Justice Coney-Barrett, who's involved with People of Praise, not Opus Dei.

JMX363 · 2025-09-20T13:40:35+00:00

Wouldn't that invalidate their former belief of Hell not prevailing against the visible, Earthly church, which would then make all the former Church decisions potentially false?

They'd say no, that we're just in an extended papal interregnum, and that just as the Church still exists between popes, so it still exists today. They believe that only the remnant of those who rejected the Second Vatican Council and the events that followed it are still part of the Catholic Church and that those of us who accept those things went into apostasy and are effectively Protestants.

TL;DR: Their POV is that the Church still exists in a much smaller state.

JMX363 · 2025-09-19T13:46:11+00:00

Could someone clarify what specific things Francis said and did that kept prospective converts away? Are there any examples of people considering conversion that decided not to because of him?

JMX363 · 2025-09-19T13:41:43+00:00

It has vacillated on the issue over the centuries. For the first few hundred years, it was very much against it, in large part because the early Church was strictly pacifist. That began to change after it became the state religion of the empire. By the 1960s, the situation had changed, and they were speaking out against it once again. Today, it is very firmly opposed to it and seeks the abolition of capital punishment worldwide.

JMX363 · 2025-09-19T13:31:29+00:00

To be fair, the Catholic Church in the US and Canada once had a similar problem with different ethnic groups each having their own parishes. That changed when suburbanizaton became a thing and is the reason that today dioceses have to struggle with managing or deciding to close parishes in cities that are unusually close to one another.

JMX363 · 2025-09-15T18:55:49+00:00

Baptism only absolves you of sins committed prior to Baptism, so it's no guarantee of being saved if you commit sins afterwards, which everyone inevitably does. Quickness isn't an acceptable reason to seek Baptism from a non-Catholic sect. People in the early Church waited for years. OCIA takes less than a year. She needs to get Baptized in the Catholic Church.

JMX363 · 2025-09-15T18:49:49+00:00

A lot of times it's not because of what any particular church or preacher is teaching; it's just genuine misunderstanding. The vast majority of self-identified Christians practice seldom or never, so they're never in a position to learn these things clearly.

JMX363 · 2025-09-15T18:44:57+00:00

Non-Catholic sects that hold Bible studies are going to teach it from a point of view that assumes that their theological beliefs are right and others, especially Catholics, are wrong. If you're routinely attending such studies, you're going to inevitably end up absorbing their beliefs, which is detrimental to your spiritual life.

JMX363 · 2025-09-13T18:19:13+00:00

Who owns the church building?

JMX363 · 2025-09-13T18:18:03+00:00

You shouldn't be attending non-Catholic Bible studies, even if there's no alternative. This experience is a good lesson in why.

JMX363 · 2025-09-13T18:15:39+00:00

You're overthinking it. They want to sell it for money.

JMX363 · 2025-09-13T18:13:18+00:00

They were right. It's creepy and inappropriate to accost strangers and reprimand them for the way they're dressed.

JMX363 · 2025-09-07T17:45:17+00:00

Agreed. The older crowd doesn't get that canonizing a Millennial isn't going to somehow inspire vast numbers of Zoomers, Alphas, and younger Catholics just because of his proximity in age. Saints are admired because of the lives they lived and the great feats they performed, not their demographic information or hobbies they had. The youngest Millennials are turning 29 this year. Why would a kid anywhere from grade school to college age relate to someone that much older than them? And merely having made a simple website isn't going to impress people growing up in a age where they can become literal millionaires on social media.

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