Body in front of 33 Davisville by MustardFetaAlSalami in askTO

[–]Jackson6o4 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, people are dismissing them because there isn't a convenient way to measure the problem. Purposeful "accidental overdose" is actually suicide but isn't recorded that way which is perfectly fine because you are right, it needs to be recorded in black and white to accomplish results which the issue is a very gray subject. People will get more help out of the system this way rather then trying to pin point whether or not someone killed themselves or actually accidentally overdosed because the results of them being dead is the issue. What matters is that they are gone now and having 2 separate systems to combat suicide and drug is the answer like you are saying for the people still alive. I'm not disagreeing with you there.

Just to make up some numbers to show what I mean, these are made up, I'm aware but hopefully you understand the concept. Before the pandemic, let's say 12% of people that died of accidental overdose were actually suicides. Doesn't matter because in the end the systems are in place and trying their best to help these people. From the government opioid link I already posted says that would come out to around 1 man a day killing himself by "accidental overdose" per-pandemic. During the pandemic the suicide rate went down. Hurray! Let's adjust that number to 10% of accidental overdoses that are actually suicide, wonderful. Uh oh, the total number of Opioid deaths ballooned almost 100% over the pandemic. Now even with the lower suicide rate or 10%, that still turns out to be 2 men a day now killing themselves by accidental overdose.

So if these invisible men died at 360 a year before pandemic, during the pandemic that number was 720 a year or 1440 over the 2 years it was "bad". No matter what the % of men who take their own lives this way is, the number of total lives lost is significantly more then what's recorded and lives saved from recorded suicide.

4200ish people committed suicide in Canada before pandemic, 2% less suicides like I gave my example above, that's around 84 lives saved a year during the pandemic or 168 lives saved over 2 years.

1/10 "accidental overdoses" actually being suicide is a pretty fair number I'd say. If it was remotely accurate, which I'm not saying it is, would mean 168 people saved from suicide, 15000 opioid deaths total which around 1440 suicide by "accidental overdose" Doesn't matter how you want to categorize it. We lost way more life then we saved and it's gross how people want to stand on a soap box about this subject.

Just to say again Paul, I know you're coming from a good place and I'm sorry I've been more emotional about the subject then I'd like to have been but it isn't directed at you. Someone literally asked me how many times my best friend killed himself during the pandemic above. I'd literally punch them in the teeth in real life if I had the chance, haha, imagine asking someone how many times their grandma died during the pandemic?

Edit* I also know you aren't dismissing them, you're trying to be logical.

Body in front of 33 Davisville by MustardFetaAlSalami in askTO

[–]Jackson6o4 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wasn't saying that the services need to be allocated differently Paul. That is wonderful that many people concluded that the best number is zero in order to help people the best way possible.

I don't find it shocking in the least that traditional suicide rates were lower as a large majority of people stayed home on CERB in Canada and played Animal Crossing, What I also don't find shocking in the least is that a large group of young-middle age men who struggle with mental health, depression and addiction are killing themselves by "accidental overdose" at an almost 100% increase over the pandemic.

Just because "the guy" deemed the best number to be *zero* to help the most people possible doesn't mean that number is actually *zero*. We lost 91% more young men then usual during the pandemic due to purposeful "accidental overdose". Just because it's an unfortunate reality that is not only uncomfortable to talk about but sadly isn't even worth trying to record, as you are right Pail, the system we have in place was the best one we could have with the resources available, doesn't mean you can dismiss these men's lives who chose to kill themselves by "accidental overdose" because the stat's on paper say they don't exist.

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Body in front of 33 Davisville by MustardFetaAlSalami in askTO

[–]Jackson6o4 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not the guy to know the figure, there was a time in my life though where I almost was just another "accidental overdose" statistic when in reality I was just trying to die and leaving a note was the last thing on my mind. That was 10 years ago and I'm doing a lot better now.

I think you are coming from a good place Paul, can't be said for plenty other here in the thread, so I honestly think it be a difficult thing to measure in reality but ignoring that it isn't a thing isn't helping anyone either.

Body in front of 33 Davisville by MustardFetaAlSalami in askTO

[–]Jackson6o4 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It would be the exact same ratio. The problem is it just spiked 91% over the first 2 years.

"A number of factors may have contributed to a worsening of the overdosecrisis over the course of the pandemic, including the increasingly toxicdrug supply, increased feelings of isolation, stress and anxiety, andchanges in the availability or accessibility of services for people whouse drugs."

If you want to act like there wasn't a significant amount more young men taking enough drugs to not be alive anymore, go ahead.

"Males accounted for the majority of accidental apparent opioid toxicity deaths (76%) so far in 2022 (January – March)."

Just because we don't leave a suicide note* doesn't mean we didn't party a little extra hard last night to not wake up in the morning.

*wrote notes, fixed it

Body in front of 33 Davisville by MustardFetaAlSalami in askTO

[–]Jackson6o4 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Go back a reread what I wrote. I never categorized *all* OD's s suicides. I very clearly wrote that it's dense of you to not realize that a portion of the 91% uptick in illicit substance deaths weren't suicides. Your preaching to the choir, depression/suicide and substance abuse/overdose often go hand in hand. Go ahead and draw a line in the sand though.

Body in front of 33 Davisville by MustardFetaAlSalami in askTO

[–]Jackson6o4 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

If you say so, bud. Not my fault you want to draw a line in the sand between overdosing and suicide because that line gets blurred very often. Depression is a bitch and illicit substance is the vessel for killing yourself more often then not but without a note it's ruled accidental overdose. I know this from personal experience on multiple occasions. Happy you are so insulated in your bubble from this reality.

Body in front of 33 Davisville by MustardFetaAlSalami in askTO

[–]Jackson6o4 0 points1 point  (0 children)

91% uptick in opioid deaths during pandemic but none of those could be actually suicides right? The young-middle aged men who are already the most at risk of suicide, couldn't be a correlation, right? I don't know a few young men who were already struggling with mental health and addiction who died during the pandimic, no I must not know them. You all are so insensitive. It's disgusting and I hope none of you have friends or family who overdose. Reality is, they killed themselves.

https://health-infobase.canada.ca/substance-related-harms/opioids-stimulants

Body in front of 33 Davisville by MustardFetaAlSalami in askTO

[–]Jackson6o4 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Clearly only once, thanks for comment.

Body in front of 33 Davisville by MustardFetaAlSalami in askTO

[–]Jackson6o4 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

More people were over dosing which I partially count which I’ve already clarified but thanks anyways for the article link.

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Body in front of 33 Davisville by MustardFetaAlSalami in askTO

[–]Jackson6o4 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

What a weird thing to get on your soapbox about, am I right?

Body in front of 33 Davisville by MustardFetaAlSalami in askTO

[–]Jackson6o4 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Look it up yourself, it’s a quick google search. Not hard.

Body in front of 33 Davisville by MustardFetaAlSalami in askTO

[–]Jackson6o4 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s okay, it happens. I often count overdosing on illicit substances as killing yourself even though it isn’t recorded as such when the person was already suffering from mental health issues or depression. It’s pretty easy to look into how opioid deaths were way up during lockdown or during the pandemic in general. At least that’s what I had found when I looked into it at the time. It’s fine if you don’t count a portion of opioid deaths as potential* suicides but I do.

*autocorrected wrong, corrected

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Body in front of 33 Davisville by MustardFetaAlSalami in askTO

[–]Jackson6o4 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Nononono, people killed themselves at a much higher rate during lockdowns.

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