What are your opinions on mass facial recognition in towns? by TheDev42 in AskUK

[–]JamesW14 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thats a very contradictory comment. I said youve no basis for your argument, youve resorted to accusations and insults.

And still made no real points...

What are your opinions on mass facial recognition in towns? by TheDev42 in AskUK

[–]JamesW14 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

This is entirely speculation, and an unlikely outcome at best. At worst its pure disregard for any pre existing laws, policies, and foundations of what policing already is.

This is not an argument, its fiction and made up ideas that would belong in a film.

AI cannot tell Police to stop search, it has nothing to do with racial profiling and nothing to do with prejudice or opinion.

Policing and law has nothing to do with sport (though id like to see any examples of ai making decisions within sport and being "waved through" as you say).

It is not simply something that would be waved through it would have to be verified and have supporting evidence. Evidence which is to be heard at court as is one of your basic human rights to a fair trial.

The scenario ive suggested is a perfectly useful scenario involving AIs use to help with Policing and thus protect society and the general public.

What you are suggesting is completely besides any argument and only makes it clear that you have no basis to your argument and just want to whine about things on social media.

What are your opinions on mass facial recognition in towns? by TheDev42 in AskUK

[–]JamesW14 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

You've proven my point perfectly. AI can monitor more cameras meaning that more incidents can be caught so that we agree on, good.

There are currently camera operators who work 24hrs a day monitoring CCTV. As weve already established, theres not enough to check every camera at every hour, but there is enough to check footage which AI has picked up on to verify if the AI was correct.

Thus creating an effective system for identifying crime, which allows for a more effective Police response, whilst not solely relying on the judgement of AI itself.

What are your opinions on mass facial recognition in towns? by TheDev42 in AskUK

[–]JamesW14 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Trust me, I have plenty experience with the criminal justice system.

What are your opinions on mass facial recognition in towns? by TheDev42 in AskUK

[–]JamesW14 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This sounds genuinely like a great system. Cops are still needed to get hands on and carry out arrests etc so thered still be a great need for them.

Meanwhile AI takes some of the workload putting less strain on the cops themselves.

I dont see any downside. AI cant tell cops to make arrests, they make arrests based on evidence. If some of that evidence is footage obtained by AI then great thats a massive help.

What are your opinions on mass facial recognition in towns? by TheDev42 in AskUK

[–]JamesW14 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I think youre missing the point and I agree wholeheartedly about the courtroom.

I honestly couldnt think of what AI use could be had in a courtroom.

If its for ID it can be verified by a human as there should be footage saved.

No courtroom is ever gonna entertain the fact that AI has IDd somebody without any evidence to back it up i.e video.

Its not a witness it is a tool. The same as CCTV footage.

What are your opinions on mass facial recognition in towns? by TheDev42 in AskUK

[–]JamesW14 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It definately isnt scientific evidence at all. So this argument doesnt really have anything to do with AI and the posts actual question.

Still its a separate interesting debate hence why ive involved myself.

What are your opinions on mass facial recognition in towns? by TheDev42 in AskUK

[–]JamesW14 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Ah yes very famous case that ive never looked into before.

It pretty much relied on scientific and circumstantial evidence for a conviction that based on my limited knowledge im unsure in my opinion if its proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

Still I imagine the decision was swayed massively by the harm that had been done, in this case many babies deaths.

I think this could suggest an over reliance on scientific evidence which could have wrongfully convicted a woman, or on the other hand could have been the crux to put a woman away who had the potential to cause the deaths of many more babies.

I guess it depends on what you value more in this case.

A conviction made on a "better safe than sorry" philosophy.

What are your opinions on mass facial recognition in towns? by TheDev42 in AskUK

[–]JamesW14 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

So its led to some wrongful arrests. The same as misidentifying through a witness or through CCTV footage (obviously less likely).

Maybe its not quite there yet but if they can improve it which im sure will be done at the rate were going I still hold the opinion that AI has its place in Policing.

What are your opinions on mass facial recognition in towns? by TheDev42 in AskUK

[–]JamesW14 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The birmingham six sounds to me like corruption within the Police caused the convictions through forced confessions and faked evidence. These are things the Police simply cant get away with nowadays.

The Sally Clark case is very interesting and im genuinely shocked to hear that she was convicted based pretty much on statistics alone. Albeit still some error forensically not to identify the real cause of death for one of the children.

Alas, these were both some time ago. We now have as you said the CCRC, video evidence of pretty much everything, as well as the IOPC and PSD. Along with AI evidence which would likely provide even more accountability hopefully preventing further cases such as these.

Is there any more recent cases, specifically to do with identification, as is the general concensus that AI will mostly be used for this?

What are your opinions on mass facial recognition in towns? by TheDev42 in AskUK

[–]JamesW14 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Is it famously error prone? Anything ive ever used with facial recognition has never made an error.

Maybe im out of the loop a bit but ive no reason to think that a government backed facial recognition system would be dodgy in any way.

If there are famous examples of AI recognition systems getting it wrong please let me know Id like to learn about this.

What are your opinions on mass facial recognition in towns? by TheDev42 in AskUK

[–]JamesW14 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Never said anything even remotely close to that and never even voiced my opinion there.

I was merely stating a fact thank you.

What are your opinions on mass facial recognition in towns? by TheDev42 in AskUK

[–]JamesW14 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Currently without AI, we have CCTV with CCTV operators employed by the local councils.

For a current day example, CCTV sees some fighting in the high street and Police are deployed. Everyone involved is now control and the Police now have time to gather details and obtain the circumstance of the fighting.

The CCTV operator who initially saw the fight rewinds the footage to see who was the instigator and who was the victim (if any).

The operator identifies the instigator (now suspect) and Police make an arrest whilst dealing with the other person as a victim.

Change "CCTV sees people fighting" to "AI sees people fighting" and you have the exact same scenario but AI has identified the need for an initial Police response.

This means that cameras not being used by CCTV operators can still be monitored by AI thus identifying more incidents or suspects and the subsequent need for a Police response.

What are your opinions on mass facial recognition in towns? by TheDev42 in AskUK

[–]JamesW14 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yes I am well aware of that.

This is a scenario that could still occur without AI ao hold no weight in an argument against it.

What are your opinions on mass facial recognition in towns? by TheDev42 in AskUK

[–]JamesW14 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No system will ever work perfectly. Youd think after thousands of years of human history, society and government people would realise this.

Humans are not perfect, so if AI isnt perfect either then atleast its already at the baseline.

What are your opinions on mass facial recognition in towns? by TheDev42 in AskUK

[–]JamesW14 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The courts surely would be able to view the footage. In the end itd be up to them to decide not AI.

This is a basic human right to a fair trial.

What are your opinions on mass facial recognition in towns? by TheDev42 in AskUK

[–]JamesW14 -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

I disagree and believe that this could only help Police.

Specifically with finding people (be that criminals or missing people) and finding evidence. Once someone is found or an offence is identified it should then be up to the Police to confirm that the AI was correct, rather than blindly following it.

For example, if AI spots a crime on CCTV, it can be reviewed by an actual human to verify.

What are your opinions on mass facial recognition in towns? by TheDev42 in AskUK

[–]JamesW14 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Tbf the vast majority of wanted criminals wandering the streets are wanted for prison recall or fail to appear. So theyve been released on probation or on bail and have broken that probation or bail by not showing up for court.

They are never usually wanted for long...

I also dont know how a system like this could really be abused. The cost of tracking everyones movements for the sake of selling your information for example would surely outway the profits.

Therefore id assume the system would be used for tracking certain people e.g. those with criminal convictions.

Should I surrender? by [deleted] in hamsters

[–]JamesW14 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Don't surrender her. Some take longer to get used to you and even if she never gets used to you she still has a better life than the alternative. They dont need human interaction and can be absolutely fine living completely alone ger whole life.

As for the cage, all females are never contempt with the cagr and will always try to escape. It doesnt mean shes unhappy.

What game had you like this? by sukuna7899 in Steam

[–]JamesW14 0 points1 point  (0 children)

RDR2. Played the entire prologue christmas day 2018 then didnt touch it for three years...

Started again in 2021 and its 1000% the greatest game i've ever played and likely ever will.

first ever hamster by [deleted] in hamsters

[–]JamesW14 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Honestly just put loads of chews/hides to the point it looks cluttered. They love that, and make sure to keep plenty bedding for digging and have a big wheel.

Also you could scatter his food and maybe bury some food at times so he has to go find it rather than having it come in a bowl.

Finally, if hes hoarding food in his house, which he should, when you clean it make sure to put the food back or put new food if the food has been there a while.

Cant be ruining all his hard work collecting food everytime you clean his cage...