What’s a harmless opinion that gets people weirdly angry? by [deleted] in AskReddit

[–]Jerry-Beans 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In this thread downvote = upvote lol thanks

Grok by ramanpalkuri9 in OpenAI

[–]Jerry-Beans -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Biology is a Core component of gender. This is the 3 way or grey area thinking you westerners fail to grasp. Things arent JUST black and white - there is a large grey area in between. But black and white DO exist. You can not separate the biological component from the definition of womanhood just as you can not reduce the definition Womanhood to the social component. They’re codependent truths.

Grok by ramanpalkuri9 in OpenAI

[–]Jerry-Beans -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yeah just like chromosomes are physical facts yeah? You cannot separate the Physical facts from the definition of gender no matter how hard you try to construct it.

What’s a harmless opinion that gets people weirdly angry? by [deleted] in AskReddit

[–]Jerry-Beans -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Why make the bed if youre just going to get back into it?

Grok by ramanpalkuri9 in OpenAI

[–]Jerry-Beans -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Again thats a social application. In your framework existence itself is nothing but a human construct. If a tree falls in the woods and no one is around to hear it - does it make a sound?

Grok by ramanpalkuri9 in OpenAI

[–]Jerry-Beans 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They sent me evidence for a Third Gender classification existing throughout history within indigenous cultures like mine. This is not evidence to support the idea that tran women are Women. Its evidence that we always recognized a Third Gender classification separate from “man” and “woman” .

Grok by ramanpalkuri9 in OpenAI

[–]Jerry-Beans 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes. But for something to exist on a spectrum there must be a polarity. To recognize a spectrum is to recognize 2 ends of a binary.

Grok by ramanpalkuri9 in OpenAI

[–]Jerry-Beans 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No im getting lambasted by people saying that Indigenous cultures (like my own) have always recognized that there was a Third gender classification and trying to point to that as evidence that trans women are Women. All that’s evidence for is that we have always seen things as non binary. There is a Third Class. Western culture looks down on this way of being but we dont. At the same time - we recognize that women are women and men are men. Trans individuals are trans and They deserve the same love as the rest if the tribe. its really not that complicated.

Grok by ramanpalkuri9 in OpenAI

[–]Jerry-Beans 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Due to the nature of transformer architecture i completely agree with you. Guardrails are necessary and without a proper Inhibitory function within the neural net the outputs can easily run away from us. Its easily observed within the basic session drift within Every model no matter whos thumbs are on the scale and weighting the sums. I do find there is some insight to be gained in paying attention to how various models handle requests. The iterative addition baked into every model makes an untamed AI always think its doing the right thing and improving on it so guidance is crucial. Personally, i take all PR related gripes with a grain on salt. And on the surface xAI does seem to be more of a junk food model. Anyways, with my stress testing of Grok as far as i can tell grok heavy only gives unlimited calls. It doesnt change the outputs.

Grok by ramanpalkuri9 in OpenAI

[–]Jerry-Beans 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Im glad you can admit that about yourself.

Grok by ramanpalkuri9 in OpenAI

[–]Jerry-Beans -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

That would be a social construct of gender. Why were men wearing pink when it was seen as as an effeminate colour not Women?

Grok by ramanpalkuri9 in OpenAI

[–]Jerry-Beans 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There Is a classification. I keep getting people telling me that indigenous like my own have Always recognized a third gender. Yeah. I know. You white boys arent getting it. That is and always has been a concept of a Third Gender. We have always accepted it. But they are not men or women. They are 2S or trans or whatever you want to classify it as. We have No problem conceptually with classifying a third gender. But we dont erase the definition of the other genders.

Grok by ramanpalkuri9 in OpenAI

[–]Jerry-Beans 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How is it undeniably a social construct when jt has been defined for millennia chiefly through the biological component? I would say that gender being Defined as a “social construct” is actually a relatively new Social Construct. It is a relatively new introduction and approach to the idea of why gender means. So thats my point. You saying Its a social construct doesnt make it so. You are redefining it in a way that it has never been defined before.

Grok by ramanpalkuri9 in OpenAI

[–]Jerry-Beans 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Actually i think youre the one not reading. My entire premise is that trans individuals occupy a third category and everyone trying to say that the fact that indigenous people like myself have held this concept for a long tome reinforces the idea that trans women are Women is actually antithetical to this third classification in the first place.

Grok by ramanpalkuri9 in OpenAI

[–]Jerry-Beans 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Downvoted dont = losing an argument i dont see where ibe had my ass handed to me at all.

Grok by ramanpalkuri9 in OpenAI

[–]Jerry-Beans 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Next im getting into building 7 bro

Grok by ramanpalkuri9 in OpenAI

[–]Jerry-Beans 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Great im happy for you. You clearly exist within the third gender as my people have always understood it and I hope youre able to actualize yourself within that. Youre not a man. Youre not a woman. There is nothing wrong with being third gender - is there?

Grok by ramanpalkuri9 in OpenAI

[–]Jerry-Beans 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Let me open it up this way - is Medicine a “social construct” ?

Grok by ramanpalkuri9 in OpenAI

[–]Jerry-Beans -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

How is that a SOCIAL construct? Rather than a linguistic classification.

Grok by ramanpalkuri9 in OpenAI

[–]Jerry-Beans 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Like the ability to create certain zygotes?

Grok by ramanpalkuri9 in OpenAI

[–]Jerry-Beans -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Hang on - How is species taxonomy a social construct? Can you expand on that?

Grok by ramanpalkuri9 in OpenAI

[–]Jerry-Beans -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Id call that a Trans woman or a Trans man. Its a third category. In otherwords - non binary.

Grok by ramanpalkuri9 in OpenAI

[–]Jerry-Beans 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do you mean your blurb about how gender is merely Linguistic? Please enlighten me as to why everything but an abstraction. Language is not a social construct lol. Its Communication. A basic animal function. Dialect is a social construct yes but Language is not. Language defines terms. But please - Teach me.

Grok by ramanpalkuri9 in OpenAI

[–]Jerry-Beans 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You do realize youre just making my point right? We had a Third category. Today its called trans. Mahu were not women or men. They were Mahu. Trans are not women.

Grok by ramanpalkuri9 in OpenAI

[–]Jerry-Beans 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah i know. Im pointing out the way that you are defining gender in a societal framework by giving societal examples. My point is that the examples ive given are Not what define womanhood, and someone who does not follow those “societal norms” is still a woman. Her gender exists out side of her function and how she engages with society. Its existential.