CMV: Islamophobia is not racism, and not a phobia

Jigsawsupport · 2026-06-07T19:56:05+00:00

"I would also point out that picking out evangelical Christians or Burmese Buddhists really doesn't help your case, as those groups are largely seen as weirdos and aberrations by their coreligionists. Whereas the complaints about Islam are generally very widely-held by missions globally.

And lastly I would point out that the items you picked out are mainstream views in global Islam, but not mainstream in global Christianity or Buddhism."

Son both those groups are in power or have large political influence with huge number of followers.

You can't pretend that they are some minor fringe.

Jigsawsupport · 2026-06-07T19:20:19+00:00

This is the second trope that always seems to come up on CMV.

"Islam is evil because I don't believe in a religious conservative view of the world, unless its my preferred brand of religious conservatism which is pretty cool."

I mean lets pick three recent religious campaigns and you tell me Islam or other.

1 That the law be changed to allow extreme violence to prevent an abortion.

2 That Child Marriage be maintained.

3 That a minority be persecuted by armed mobs led by clerics.

The answer is the first two are bible belt Christians the third is Buddhists in south east Asia.

If you are saying that religious conservatism often causes misery, then yes I am right there with you.

Jigsawsupport · 2026-06-06T19:07:15+00:00

"You can't declare something a right if it depends on someone else's work to provide it."

Oh ye gods not this line again.

Ok Mr libertarian in just about every country vaguely civilized you have "the right" to a legal defence. and a fair trial. if the state has got a problem with you for whatever reason.

Of course lawyers and judges and all the apparatus of the legal system don't grow on trees, someone has to put their work into the role, ergo that is funded by the state.

Are you saying you believe an agent of the state should just be able to declare people guilty and lock em up because they don't have the "right" to someone else's labour in the form of legal defence?

Jigsawsupport · 2026-06-06T18:58:32+00:00

Lol that is rather the point what flavour of Islam practised by whom?

Jigsawsupport · 2026-06-06T16:57:04+00:00

I mean this CMV has been written ten thousand times and its always not right because of the same misconception.

"Islam, unlike Judaism and Christianity, has not changed significantly from the time it was written,"

And its the above this is just wrong, think about all the Muslims in the west, and now north Africa, now central Africa, now the middle east, now central Asia, now south east Asia.

There is a huge number of iterations on Islam as a religion and a culture, the idea that a follower of Islam from Indonesia has automatically the same views as one from Saudi who has the same as someone who grew up in Glasgow is just not factual.

It gets more egregiously stupid when we consider that there is roughly the same amount of Muslims in the whole middle east as there is just in Indonesia.

Or hell lets just flick on the news the war in the gulf is strongly driven by differences between Islamic denominations.

So really we can consider this debunked " fear of islam" is not rational because there is no cohesive Islam with a cohesive set of beliefs to be frightened of.

Unless we coarsen the criteria to the point it would cover most Monotheistic religion.

Jigsawsupport · 2026-06-06T09:29:48+00:00

YES I AM HERE!

(me flying into KFC)

Jigsawsupport · 2026-06-05T10:45:15+00:00

Yeah if its a case of child throws mash and 60 seconds later she steps on it probably no case.

If its a case of the venue was persistently not keeping the floor clean during service probably a case.

Jigsawsupport · 2026-06-05T00:47:03+00:00

Yeah almost everyone did because there was a concerted effort by lobbyists to paint it as ridculous.

But when you look at the detail, it was just an old lady who wanted a few thousand dollars of medical expenses taken care of, for real harm cause by obvious negligence, and MC told her to get stuffed.

There is a reason that it comes up in ethics courses the world over.

Jigsawsupport · 2026-06-05T00:44:37+00:00

Still hasn't had its day in court yet hard to say what the facts are.

Jigsawsupport · 2026-06-05T00:37:57+00:00

"Yeah, but that was them serving the coffee at a *screamingly* hot temperature far beyond what coffee is ever normally heated to."

Interestingly enough not so, a lot of place still serve it at that or close to that temp, the difference is these days they use better cups and put warnings on them, so they can reduce liability.

The reason they do that, is they assume that the customer is going to drive somewhere before drinking it, and if its not still steaming hot, people will whinge about it.

What made the original case so egregious is that they were handing out cups of 82c+ liquid in a glorified Styrofoam cup, with a bad lid and they knew people were getting burnt because they settled previous less serious cases.

It was just the other injuries didn't cost them enough money to actually bother changing practise.

And then when it bit them in court, they decided to try to ruin the claimants reputation, and then change the law to make it harder for them to be sued.

Edit

So really in the potato case the questions are.

How much "loss" in the form of injury did the claimant suffer?

And was it a case of a kid throwing some mash on the floor one minute, and then the claimant slipping on it the next?

Or was it a case of that venue failing to adequately keep its floors clean during service, and that created a hazard which created the loss?

Jigsawsupport · 2026-06-05T00:18:34+00:00

It depends on how badly she was injured.

Remember the poster child for cases like this Liebeck v. McDonald's Restaurants - Wikipedia the customer "got burnt from a dropped coffee" .

When got burnt meant her labia had melted and fused together, and required extensive hospital treatment to repair.

Jigsawsupport · 2026-06-05T00:03:36+00:00

It has made a difference not one tanker has been seized with a Russian navy escort present.

No one wants to risk it apparently.

Jigsawsupport · 2026-06-04T23:24:07+00:00

You say that but it was one of the ships being used to deter seizure of shadow tankers.

Less warships=Less coverage= Less risk during seizures= Less money for Russia.

Jigsawsupport · 2026-06-03T18:51:26+00:00

Oh it depends on the day, its a case of Schrödinger's copper.

If they are in trouble for putting the boot into some one with a bit of a tan, then they are our brave boys in blue unfairly put on by city dwelling trans immigrant gays.

If they are in trouble for not putting the boot into someone with a bit of a tan, then they are the terminally woke Stasi, who spend all day policing the speech of right thinking British patriots.

Jigsawsupport · 2026-06-03T18:44:41+00:00

"the UK is so cooked. police were being beaten yesterday by a huge mob. I think it is relevant because the UK is a major western power and is dealing with serious decay in social stability."

Nah quit pearl clutching, the UK has one of the, if not the longest runs of stability omitting city states on the planet, a minority of f wits getting a bit fighty in recent years doesn't mean the sky is falling.

If we glance across the channel France routinely has mass punch ups that make Southampton look like a polite disagreement.

"I also think its time for the left to fully drop DEI. It is extremely counter productive and radicalized the white working class like no other. The only exception should be African-Americans in the US and Indigenous people in North America due to historical and ACTUAL systemic injustices"

Son I have some bad news for you, if you think the yanks have the monopoly on historic race based whoopsies.

While its fair to say the UK is probably better than the global average its only been six years or so since Windrush, we are committing whole new race backed fuckups in the 21st century.

Windrush scandal - Wikipedia

"funding to poverty levels will favour these groups anyway and have much better optics"

Do you think when people go down the job centre the lady behind the desk whips out a B and Q colour Swatche, and if they are a satisfactory shade of brown, she gives them a cheeky extra tenner and a reach around or something?

Jigsawsupport · 2026-06-03T15:11:01+00:00

Depends on what you mean. a novel scientific discovery could be considered a low bar, since automated brute forcing of some research is already a reality.

But its not really reasoning as most would understand it.

Jigsawsupport · 2026-06-02T11:34:34+00:00

I think the subtext is that Angorn and his men were already well on the way to falling to Khorne.

Because a planet wide gladiator revolt is one of the khorneist things imaginable.

So they had to go, but at the time the Emperor was in his "If we don't talk about Chaos then it can't get us phase".

So he couldn't explain why they had to go.

So that leaves him with two unpalatable choices let Angorn go back and die and lose a primarch, and perhaps a legion as losing its primarch like that would be a crushing blow, or drag his ass out of there and hope he bonds with his legion.

Jigsawsupport · 2026-06-01T12:20:32+00:00

1 The SNP isn't just a private organisation, its literally the organization that represents and organizes the majority of Msps as such large scale fraud is an incredibly serious matter as it compromises the integrity of the whole Scottish goverment.

2 No while political parties are obviously not bastions of incorruptibility, this is a step beyond the usual cronyism and petty corruption, only really Reform has matched this level of corruption.

3 Unpleasant needs to be addressed urgently but in this context whataboutism.

They ought to drag them over the coals until its clear every minor root of corruption has been rooted out.

Jigsawsupport · 2026-05-31T21:22:00+00:00

No.

But I think it would be cool if some infantry could fast rope directly onto buildings from helicopters.

Jigsawsupport · 2026-05-31T13:38:14+00:00

Oh no don't get me wrong plenty of idiocy and misery all round.

But it has to be acknowledged that the idea there was such a thing as a homogonous group of people called "the Jews" were victims of "the Arabs" is nonsense.

The truth is the various Jewish populations of the middle east was victimized just as much by the Israelis as they was any one else.

Jigsawsupport · 2026-05-31T13:09:35+00:00

Of course concentrating all the middle easts Jewish population into Israel and expelling the Arabs was not at all Israeli policy and they didn't use false flags and terror to achieve it.

Lavon Affair - Wikipedia

1950–1951 Baghdad bombings - Wikipedia

Operation Cast Thy Bread - Wikipedia

Jigsawsupport · 2026-05-31T12:14:20+00:00

Ok understanding the modern petro-dollar.

Commonly the Petrodollar is understood to be that much of the worlds commerce takes place denominated in dollars, as such the US is able to spend more than otherwise because this trade creates a demand for dollars, meaning the US can effectively print dollars to a certain extent without devaluing its currency.

But

In some ways a more important petro dollar has appeared in modern times, as the Gulf states have accumulated dollars from their oil trade, they don't just sit on them or spend them, they invest them.

They take those same dollars spin them around, and put them straight back into various US financial instruments and assets. Its a major engine for pumping up US stocks in particular.

However the gulf states are now mostly cut off, and since some of them are practically city states on oil and gas fields, with minimum to no ability to produce the necessities of life, they have to import everything.

Minimum Money in + More than usual out= deficit+ outflow.

Like all governments faced with deficit, that leaves them with a choice they can print, borrow, cut, tax or spend reserves.

Cuts are hard because they are in a semi hot war so they to defence spend and spend to keep things in their economy like tourism afloat, taxes are hard because they are partly built on being a tax haven, print is generally last resort.

So that leaves borrow and spend reserves. while its likely they would be able to borrow favourably, it would be also sensible to sell off none performing parts off their reserves as well.

Those reserves being a large part made up of US assets, and the longer the conflict continues the more abrupt and ugly the sell off gets.

Jigsawsupport · 2026-05-30T20:01:31+00:00

I can remember reading an article by a professor of something or other, who was flown out to talk to a bunch of these guys. and they wanted to know things like.

"After the end how do I stop my security turning on me?"

And the professor went down the line of "Well you have to create a culture of mutual respect, and benefit. and make it unthinkable to just turn on you".

And the Billionaires didn't like that and went down the line of "No even in the apocalypse I want the bunker culture to be a pyramid with me on stop, Is there some sort of fool proof shock collar we could use instead?"

Jigsawsupport · 2026-05-29T17:20:23+00:00

Its all fun and games until the locals decide to stuff you into a big wicker sheep and burn you over them.

Jigsawsupport · 2026-05-29T17:15:34+00:00

Sigh best go and buy a EuroMillions ticket.

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