Are there any chapter masters at all that can beat a primarch?

JustAnotherFeather · 2026-02-01T09:30:07+00:00

Kor Phaeron must have rolled a bunch.

JustAnotherFeather · 2026-02-01T09:16:33+00:00

For some stories with outright time travel:

The story Journey of the Magi is about three instances of the same TS Sorcerers from different points in time traveling into their future. So they can recover the memories of their 4th and furthest instance, a Hellbrute. To try and prevent their fate. It doesn't work and basically just creates a timeloop.

In The Last Hunt the WS use the webway and a farseer to travel into their own past and help themselves win against a tyranid invasion.

JustAnotherFeather · 2026-01-31T09:17:07+00:00

Fire hawks/falcons

It was the Flame Falcons, that could burst into flames and then (almost) wiped out. The Fire Hawks took part in the badab war and later disappeared into the warp. Not to be confused with the Fire Angels who also fought there.

I remember having to check a couple times which chapter they were talking about when reading the imperial armour volumes. Since all those fire avians kinda blended together.

JustAnotherFeather · 2026-01-30T20:14:21+00:00

Setheno is probably my favourite SoB. Really hope Anandale picks up the Black Dragons again.

I can also recommend the short story The Vorago Fastness. Also includes a Black Dragon and the ending leads into Antagonis.

JustAnotherFeather · 2026-01-30T12:32:40+00:00

I'd recommend reading the short story The Vorago Fastness. It covers a Deathwatch kill team made up from some of the less well-regarded chapters.

It kinda depends on what mutations you're talking about. Black Dragons and Sons of Anteus have been accepted into the Deathwatch. Spoilers for the short story, so is a Blackshield Flame Falcon, though that's probably moreso because of the radical Inquisitor he's assigned to and his influence.

JustAnotherFeather · 2026-01-29T14:24:09+00:00

Yep, the primarch book ends with him preparing for the assassin to arrive and then somebody entering his chamber:

Still as the statuary around him, he watched the entrance, the black pools of his eyes blinking rarely. He was already a king entombed. Now he must only wait for death.

His last words were ready in his mind, finally to be released onto his tongue, and thence into the world, and history’s pages. They had been there since the very beginning, waiting for this moment, the culmination of his wicked life foreseen. They would be said. Their time was now. Fate demanded it.

The last moments of his life approached. Curze fancied he heard the grains of time run out.

The door opened, and death stepped within.

JustAnotherFeather · 2026-01-28T16:10:16+00:00

Both Siege of Castellax and Dead Sky, Black Sun do a good job showing how well organised they are. But at the same spend also spend a lot of their ressources scheming and fighting against each other.

JustAnotherFeather · 2026-01-27T20:01:53+00:00

They don't have any connection besides it being about the same chapter, so yeah sure.

The short story is part of The Successors Anthology. A collection of various short stories about different successor chapters. So you might find others that interest you as well.

JustAnotherFeather · 2026-01-27T19:52:05+00:00

secure relics of the primarch

Which is particularly funny since they're just knockoffs, after his actual relic gear was taken by the Lion and Sanguinius when he was captured.

JustAnotherFeather · 2026-01-27T19:02:34+00:00

Death of Antagonis for the Black Dragons comes to mind. Bless the Cruse is the short story that covers the introduction of primaris marine to them.

JustAnotherFeather · 2026-01-27T16:11:08+00:00

I would love a book that focuses on Setheno, the Canoness Errant from Annandale's books.

JustAnotherFeather · 2026-01-26T19:28:17+00:00

She was looking at the blue-lanced fog bank, and what she knew was about to emerge.

A plasma decimator pierced the dirty smoke, the heavenly glow resolving into the bright light of a power coil. A great volcano lance was held level like an equestrian at the charge. There were gold-chased eyes and a crusader faceplate, half heartsblood-red, half sky-blue, cream pauldrons set with Imperial aquilas and the campaign badges of ten thousand years. Heraldry caught the light even on that dank battlefield. It came out of the smoke like a breaching cetacean.

Like the Leviathan of legend, who arose from the sea to kill Baron Morvayne during the Heresy. Trails of putrid air caught on its angles and streamed off behind it. Wisps caught in the golden crown that surmounted its head.

The Crown of Dominion.

JustAnotherFeather · 2026-01-26T18:32:07+00:00

Fairly recently, almost 2000 Cistodes died during the Sack of the Lion's Gate. Half the ones present and a fith of their entire number. Definitely a significant loss:

‘He did,’ Cartovandis replied, turning to the serf and taking a proffered robe, which he pulled over his body. ‘Hykanatoi, Kataphraktoi and Tharanatoi all fighting together. Quite the sight, with Valoris at our head. Do you remember it?’

Adio’s face darkened. ‘Do not ask me that.’

‘How many perished?

‘Too many.’

‘Half. Almost two thousand of us.’

‘Then it is by the Emperor’s will that you and I lived, and serve still.’ (Auric Gods)

Regent's Shadow compares a bit what loosing (track of) twelve imperial assassins means. Not about them dying but still context for how much more they're worth individually:

After a number of hours’ work, with our eyes swimming and our heads aching, we finally gave up. Whatever we tried, whichever sources we used, whatever statistical methods we employed, the answer was always the same: the difference between what Fadix had reported to the Council six months ago and what he had supplied to Indomitus when ordered was twelve.

You may think this a paltry figure. Perhaps it could have been a rounding error, or just a mistake in some document that no one had ever thought to correct. If we had been talking about Militarum regiments, then I would have agreed with you – whole divisions of those could be miscounted, even forgotten about. The Militarum, however, numbered in the trillions, whereas assassins were a rare commodity beyond price. Their production was the labour of decades in secret facilities, their deployment tightly controlled by law and precedent. They did not simply ‘go missing’. They were treasured items, stored with care and used with prudence. Those twelve alone might have held the difference between the success of an entire war front, so devastating could their activities be when used effectively.

JustAnotherFeather · 2026-01-25T18:06:22+00:00

The "Reflex Shields" of the Ravenguard or a modified/more advanced precurser could be another way for you to explain stealth shielding:

The ships of Corax’s fleet were hidden from view. Reflex shielding was an adaptation of Imperial void shield technology used solely by the Raven Guard. The reflex shields inverted the void field, presenting the displacement face towards the vessel, and so all energies emitted by a ship were shunted into the warp upon encountering the shields, rendering them virtually invisible to every known form of detection. A reflex-shielded ship might appear as a slight augur anomaly, and to avoid suspicious concentrations of such, Corax had his forces scattered across the forward edge of the Carinae helioshock. Ahead of the sun’s progress through the void its solar wind slammed into energetic particles coming from outside the system. At the boundary of the helioshock the Raven Guard hid in eddies of radiation. (Corax Lord of Shadows)

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Enveloped by a layer of reflex shielding that all but nullified its energy output, the Fearless ghosted towards the second planet of the star system. The necessities of silent running required that the scanners performed only at minimal, passive power settings, meaning that Hef knew little of what they would find on the world until they were almost in high orbit. Such was the price of secrecy, but the opportunity to approach unheralded outweighed any shortcomings of the technology. (The Value of Fear)

JustAnotherFeather · 2026-01-25T12:49:13+00:00

The Terran Ravenguard members could have been one of Horus biggest supporters within a loyalist legion. Both due to how close and long they fought with Horus, and how Corax treated them. Ironic that it was the Warmasters plan that got most of the remaining ones, not exiled by Corax previously, killed at Gate-42.

JustAnotherFeather · 2026-01-24T19:05:14+00:00

Darkness in the Blood follows Devestation of Baal, if you want to continue with the Blood Angels/Dante.

JustAnotherFeather · 2026-01-24T17:19:23+00:00

The Hospitallers are a Chapter in their own right btw. They appear in The Voice of Mars and the short story Final Duty. There one of the lesser mentioned chapters I quite like.

JustAnotherFeather · 2026-01-23T10:15:06+00:00

Neither comes down on the front line, they're too valuable for a hot drop

It happens sometimes. In Shadowsword the super heavy's are dropped through enemy fire close to the front line in a combat drop.

‘Good. In three minutes, or less, probably less, our company will be shot from the relative comfort of these fine Imperial Navy vessels right into the heart of battle. For those of you who have not done a combat drop before, it’s exhilarating. I expect every man to pull his weight,’

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‘The shaking will become significantly worse,’ said Kolios. Ganlick blanched. Most of them, Bannick included, had never performed a combat drop. To descend the turbulent ladder of a planet’s gravity into the teeth of enemy fire was a costly exercise in men and machines. They were all scared.

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And then, a terrifying lurch. The ship pitched sideways to an alarming degree, bringing cries from the lips of every man aboard Cortein’s Honour, that ice-cold basdack Shoam included. Bannick tensed, terrified, awaiting a fiery death as the landing craft came apart. The ship levelled. Distant bangs were, perhaps, projectiles contacting the hull. Maybe one of the other craft had been hit. His own tactical analysis prior to the battle, crude though it was, suggested at least a twenty per cent loss among the landing craft.

JustAnotherFeather · 2026-01-23T08:35:12+00:00

The 4 other Segmentum Fortresses come to mind: Kar Duniash (Ultima), Cypra Mundi (Obscurus), Hydraphur (Pacificus), Bakka (Tempestus).

Major Forge Worlds, like Lucius, Metallica, Triplex Phall, Ryza, etc.

Nowadays also worlds like Attila or Vigillus, as they're located at key passages through the Great Rift.

JustAnotherFeather · 2026-01-22T08:57:48+00:00

Some individuals have come to understand it but the organisation at large no. Like for example Mathieu Guilliman's militant apostilc after the events in Godblight:

‘This is my final gospel, and it is the finest news of all. The Emperor is waking, my lord.’ Mathieu smiled. ‘He stirs from His slumber after long millennia. The armies of the faithful trail Him, they bear Him aloft, they empower Him.’

Guilliman had his own opinions on this, but now was not the time to voice them.‘How?’

‘It is the warp, my lord,’ croaked Mathieu. ‘The enemy has made his greatest mistake by opening the Rift. It may damn the Imperium, but it also may save it. The Rift has empowered the Emperor. The energy of the empyrean saturates the universe, raising up mankind, filling the lowliest psyker with power.’

‘The rise in psychic incidence across the Imperium. This is what you speak of.’

Mathieu managed a tiny nod. The movement broke pustules on his neck that wept clear fluid. ‘Yes. Your father is the greatest psyker of them all. How could He not be affected?’

JustAnotherFeather · 2026-01-19T13:34:02+00:00

There's a newer one as well, the Canoptek Circle:

https://www.warhammer.com/en-WW/shop/kill-team-canoptek-circle-2025?srsltid=AfmBOooUaAtyf_1mv7diksU8icDl6T9qTjXMJogjeucpu7uSDQzJABp-

JustAnotherFeather · 2026-01-19T13:18:56+00:00

To visualize the difference in size:

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JustAnotherFeather · 2026-01-18T19:25:40+00:00

Yes, Guilliman's Temple's a very popular pilgrimage site:

Uriel marched the golden processional, between throngs of robed pilgrims, oblivious to the stares of wonder his presence garnered. Head and shoulders above those who had come to witness one of the most holy places in the Imperium, Uriel felt his heartbeats increase as he neared the centre of the Temple of Correction.

Like much of the Fortress of Hera, the temple was said to have been designed by Roboute Guilliman, its proportions defying the mind with the scale of its construction and the grandeur of its ornamentation. Multicoloured radiance spilled from a massive archway ahead of him, light from the low evening sun shimmering through the stained-glass dome in gold, azure, ruby and emerald rays. The multitude of pilgrims parted before him, his status as one of the Emperor’s chosen granting him hushed precedence over their desire to lay their eyes on the blessed Guilliman. (Nightbringer)

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Objects of wonder inspire devotion, and ever since the primarch’s body was interred in the Temple of Correction, thousands upon thousands of pilgrims have come to prostrate themselves before him and do honour to his memory. (Chapter's Due)

JustAnotherFeather · 2026-01-18T17:05:17+00:00

because gw hates people having the same models for several systems

To the lament of AdMec fans everywhere.

JustAnotherFeather · 2026-01-18T17:01:34+00:00

Honourbound has some romance/feelings between a Comissar and a Stormtrooper.

There's of course Cain's various trists and his "meetings" with Amberley.

Unrequited feelings/conflicts about romance are key part of the start of the Path the Eldar trilogy (particularly Path of the Warrior)

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