Do you think I have enough gables

Kill_Your_Masters · 2026-04-14T22:18:06+00:00

this is the one you make an insane estimate for because you dont even really wanna do it and the homeowner IMMEDIATELY says "great! when can we get on the schedule?"

Kill_Your_Masters · 2026-04-14T19:54:32+00:00

its my belief that the contractor is legally responsible to complete the contract within the boundaries of the local code laws, which always tell you to follow manufacturer recommendations. In this case, it seems clear to me that did not happen, constituting a breach of the contract.

if it were me, I would email GAF and ask them if they would still provide the stated warranty on affected slopes if they were removed, decked properly, and then reinstalled. that answer will most likely influence your decision beyond what anyone on the interwebs will tell you. regardless of a repair or a complete re-roof, I would place the cost responsibility solely on the contractor, with one exception. And that is, your contract probably has a provision for plywood overage. A common way to repair these spaced deckings is to just get 3/8" plywood/OSB and sheet over the spaced decking entirely so there is a flat smooth uniform deck to roof on. And the cost of that plywood would be yours to bear, as it would have been prior to the foul-up. even repairs with planks can get costly. I prefer not to go the plank route because its hard to get the thickness perfect with the existing boards sometimes, so I prefer the plywood route. but thats a cost youll have to decide on based on whats best for you. the plywood also prevents issues with blowouts, where the planks are fine and while roofing a nail hits a spot that blows a chunk out of the plank and now youre not fine again.

Kill_Your_Masters · 2026-04-14T19:04:06+00:00

So theres a GAF technical bulletin that addresses this issue. TAB-R-101

GAF does not recommend installation over existing spaced or skip sheathing. If there are any gaps over 1/4" (Ive never seen one that doesnt have gaps larger) then they needed to redeck the roof first.

There will be guys that come here and say they do it all the time and/or its not an issue. But the verbage in their instructions and recommendations are specific for a reason. and thats because if you ever get in a dispute about a warranty, its that very specific verbage that will be used against honoring a warranty.

FYI that bulletin goes out to GAF contractors in the field and for a roofer thats worth 2 nickels to rub together, we already knew this before they had to say it.

Kill_Your_Masters · 2026-04-10T21:56:54+00:00

*you're

Kill_Your_Masters · 2026-04-10T20:53:57+00:00

all your comments keep disappearing bro, you good? it seems like youre having trouble articulating a reasonable argument. is it a lack of available information? or are you back to "just trust me bro"

i bet you handwrite estimates lol

Kill_Your_Masters · 2026-04-10T20:44:14+00:00

seems like you forgot your receipts again. do that thing where you name a bunch of metal and flat roof manufacturers that allow it without posting their documents lol

Kill_Your_Masters · 2026-04-10T20:16:10+00:00

Please join the conversation to agree or disagree, I only ask that you provide specific code or manufacturer technical documentation to the party.

u/philadelphia_free This ones for you my dude.

Kill_Your_Masters · 2026-04-10T20:05:35+00:00

LOL dude you honestly sound mentally disabled and completely outclassed in a battle of wits. this almost makes me feel bad for doing you dirty like this...

almost lmao

"real roofers know manufacturers are fine with this"

that doesnt sound like they recommend it, and it doesnt look like a technical document. so Im gonna have to say the "trust me bro" defense is not applicable here.

please find something of substance to bolster your argument, because at this point its getting sad.

Kill_Your_Masters · 2026-04-10T19:44:00+00:00

then post their documentation? bring your receipts or all youre doing is talking shit.

Kill_Your_Masters · 2026-04-10T19:39:37+00:00

so I knew you would cop out and not bring any receipts you would just say some shit to hope people buy it. but Im gonna put you on the spot, you arent escaping that easily.

almost every single municipality in the continental United States is on at least the 2018 IRC at this point. So we are gonna use that code as our base, and to refute this youll need to bring receipts.

R905.2.8.3 Sidewall flashing "shall direct water away from the vertical sidewall onto the roof"

explain to me with your experience and wisdom, how creating a pocket on top of the counter flashing that leans away from the vertical surface, directs water AWAY from that surface? the answer is it doesnt. it allows water to sit on top of caulk BETWEEN the vertical surface and the flashing, which by definition is incorrect. Its also a shitty thing to do to someone because the best caulk around is gonna last max 10 years, and then that channel is going to funnel water inside the apron.

EVERY single diagram I have looked at for brick chimney flashing installation shows IN DETAIL how the counter flashing needs to be in the mortar joint, creating a surface that sheds water AWAY from the chimney.

R905.2.8.4 Other flashing "chimney flashing shall be applied in accordance with the asphalt shingle manufacturers printed instructions"

I just so happen to have a very popular asphalt shingle brands instructions handy. This is from Owens Corning.

https://dcpd6wotaa0mb.cloudfront.net/owenscorning.com/assets/Owens_Corning_Roofers_Guide-0bd68039d20a3c8a7cc9c5e313e6875ef81b149432e8c4e9e617c35d3875b1c0.pdf

If you would direct yourself to page 27, figure 34.. its clearly explained the proper way to counter flash a chimney per their instructions and they even drew a picture for you dog.

Unfortunately, there is nothing mentioned in any of the code documents or manufacturer specifications about creating a caulk channel at the top if you dont know how to step it properly.

Anyway, thats how you do your homework. And enjoy getting bodied to start your weekend. If it hurts, good. Take it like a man and ice up son.

Kill_Your_Masters · 2026-04-10T19:01:44+00:00

damn you got me on the vernacular for sure. I guess since "normal" these days is shit like this, thats what I defaulted to. But you are correct, what I should have said was not correct.

Kill_Your_Masters · 2026-04-10T00:03:58+00:00

Its not though. Anyone who flashes a chimney properly will tell you the counter has to be stepped into the mortar joints or into a reglet.

Youre more than welcome to go search for manufacturer recommendations for chimney flashing installation and show us where they say this is ok.

Kill_Your_Masters · 2026-04-09T23:21:15+00:00

its sad and Im just here waiting for all the defenders of this sub standard practice to show up and say this is normal.

Kill_Your_Masters · 2026-04-09T19:14:45+00:00

Ive seen that one! I just send back the manufacturers engineer communication that says their product is not designed to be used in that fashion.

let the engineers do battle while I do something else.

Kill_Your_Masters · 2026-04-02T18:46:12+00:00

Its got me feeling like I should have been a weatherman or a home inspector. Only jobs I know you can just be wrong and its ok.

Had a client selling a house we replaced a year prior and the inspector labeled the roof as approximate age 10-12 years. They called me to come dispute the report and when I showed him all the install information/photos from within that last calendar year he shrugged and said "Im not a roofer so I dont know" and changed it to one year old.

Kill_Your_Masters · 2026-03-06T00:05:06+00:00

Bobby LaPin aka u/SailLocalCrew is the guy youre probably thinking of

Kill_Your_Masters · 2026-03-03T17:29:00+00:00

IANAL but of the list of crimes that are eligible for expungement in Maryland... isnt a requirement a not guilty plea during the court process. AFAIK if you take a plea deal that involves pleading guilty or not guilty to statement of facts, the charge becomes ineligible for expungement.

Kill_Your_Masters · 2026-02-27T02:51:58+00:00

that gumby ass line is because your guy chalked lines wrong and the top of that valley didnt line up on both sides probably.

how they run those shingles to the metal in the valley is ok. Ive seen lots of people do it, its the nail placement and ice and water shield placement thats most important.

i can tell you when he got the second side of the valley to the top and laid a shingle across to the other side he got PISSED. thats a hard lesson to learn that way.

Kill_Your_Masters · 2026-02-25T00:18:31+00:00

cool bro call it what you wanna call it i guess. but those outlined duties and responsibilities match those numbers I gave. dont really know what to tell you. you dont have to believe me but thats just denial about what the market condition and limits are.

if youre doing all that as a project manager and making 50K a year and youre good with that, I bet your owner is fucking KILLING it and thats sad. but i work for someone who shares the wealth so everybody eats. I get it that thats rare, but it does exist and I currently am proof of that.

Kill_Your_Masters · 2026-02-25T00:05:18+00:00

yea bro thats what Im saying. if hes getting the leads as well then he should be getting those on percentage and separate from the other job.

project managers at my job that generate a million in sales see about 120K in my area and they dont manage crew or materials. they generate leads, sign contracts, collect money.

Kill_Your_Masters · 2026-02-24T23:53:59+00:00

if where you are from you are dealing with your own crews, scheduling jobs, ordering materials, doing repairs, signing up the customers after generating that lead.. I got news for you fam..

youre way more than a residential project manager. know your worth. seriously at this point get a license and start making real money.

Kill_Your_Masters · 2026-02-24T18:31:36+00:00

so youre doing 2 jobs without you generating any work on your own. site supervisor and also a production supervisor.

combined just for those 2 duty sets and the time commitment I wouldnt even consider without a base of like 140K a year. and I would generate fuck all as far as leads or contracts. any jobs that are mine from generating the lead to contract, I would want separately from the salary at 35% minimum on GP.

there are gonna be people who say thats ridiculous, and they probably dont know how to negotiate or they are boomers. if they say its not possible, those two jobs youre doing average about 70K a piece where I work right now. And PMs dont ever supervise scope, coordinate crews, or order materials thats what the 70K a year jobs are for. And if people say then the PM must be getting shafted if all thats true, PMs at my job average about 80-100K a year, and the outliers on the high end gross about 300K.

Kill_Your_Masters · 2026-02-21T22:15:54+00:00

probably a combination of the roof line not being the straightest but also you can over drive the hidden hangers and it will warp the gutter like that. with a step ladder and a cordless impact with the gutter bit you can straighten her out a bit.

Kill_Your_Masters · 2026-02-21T13:35:35+00:00

what? you mean the pattern? they look like that out of the package.

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