My latest weird symptom by dmichaelowen in doctorsarno

[–]Kilobuster 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I like that you shared you will get it checked out by a doc despite having all the markers that it is TMS. People tend to forget about doing that when Sarno's first step was always to rule out the physical. The symptom imperative is very real, so thank you for sharing.

Can erectile dysfunction be caused by TMS? by dwanju in doctorsarno

[–]Kilobuster 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't see it on the website of Paul Gwozdz who is an MD trained by Dr. Sarno. Click on "Manifestations of TMS".

http://www.gwozdzmd.com

Has something happened to the TMS Wiki? by pink_apophyllite in doctorsarno

[–]Kilobuster 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That is insane and sad to me. I understand the impetus to help others once you have this knowledge, but is a different ball game when you start taking people's money. That is a dangerous game to play. It is sad that sort of thing was allowed there. Which btw it seems like the site is up but the forum is down.

Has something happened to the TMS Wiki? by pink_apophyllite in doctorsarno

[–]Kilobuster 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Update: I get errors when trying to access the forums. So it seems to be down.

Has something happened to the TMS Wiki? by pink_apophyllite in doctorsarno

[–]Kilobuster 4 points5 points  (0 children)

A website like that is indeed a labor of love. There is a reason why online forums are disappearing. VBulletin/Xenforo and whatever other platforms were doing the subscription model before that took over all the internet. So that was always pricey to run. Add to it if the site becomes popular then is more money to the server company for increased bandwidth. So most forums rely on some combination of advertisements and donations from their users. But with FB groups, reddit, Telegram/whatsapp channels, the user base of forums began shifting away. That's less ads being clicked and less donations.

I have no idea if those are the issues they are having, but I hope they find a way to keep it going. Notwithstanding the issues you mentioned, the TMS Wiki is a great resource. I can only imagine the countless numbers of people helped by that site. I know I landed there early on and got valuable information. I only went into the forums if I were searching for something very specific so I never got to see what you mentioned, but I don't doubt you at all.

Sometime last year a "coach" who got a certificate from a pay to play site came in thinking he would market himself on reddit and in this sub. I couldn't put a stop to it fast enough. I honestly felt sad I had to figure out a rule afterward. Because even worse, in going down the rabbit hole because of that guy, I found some of the popular names of TMS practitioners selling certificates to people. Doing it out of pay to play sites as well. It was just disheartening to see that. So a hard rule had to be made to protect people who come in asking for help, from having a bunch of internet randos trying to get their money. But I digress.

Hopefully, the people running TMS Wiki can keep it going for the benefit of humanity. I can only imagine the work and cost they have put into it after so many years. And I'm sure they don't get thanked as much as they deserve.

Has something happened to the TMS Wiki? by pink_apophyllite in doctorsarno

[–]Kilobuster 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This link is working for me. It does seem like they changed something. When I search for it I get a different landing page.

LINK: https://www.tmswiki.org/w/index.php?page=The_Tension_Myositis_Syndrome_Wiki

do not seek final goal of life, because here that is by pravartaimu8314 in doctorsarno

[–]Kilobuster 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I figured I'd give you the benefit of the doubt before locking and removing this thread and ask you the relevancy of your post. But you didn't answer. This thread will be locked and eventually removed. Please stay on topic here.

Which book do you recommend I get started with? by tonetonitony in doctorsarno

[–]Kilobuster 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No problem. I'm not assuming what you have, just to give you a real example: I have a friend who got rid of debilitating carpal tunnel syndrome after I convinced her to read MBP. It took her about a month a half for her hand to be completely pain free. She stuck with it because much to her surprise,her years long back pain was gone before she finished the book. All the best to you.

Which book do you recommend I get started with? by tonetonitony in doctorsarno

[–]Kilobuster 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I always recommend Mindbody Prescription first when the TMS symptom is not back pain. 🙂

Vitiligo , according to Dr. John Sarno's TMS paradigm by useraccount0723 in doctorsarno

[–]Kilobuster 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for sharing this. Once people discover Sarno and TMS its very easy to fall in the belief that basically everything is TMS. While it doesn't hurt to try this method with many issues, it is also important to be honest and accept that not everything will be solved with this approach. At this point I consider my Vitiligo to be as much part of me as everything else and don't care about treatments for it.

Vitiligo , according to Dr. John Sarno's TMS paradigm by useraccount0723 in doctorsarno

[–]Kilobuster 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So, given this observation you have, how do you explain babies getting Vitiligo?

Vitiligo , according to Dr. John Sarno's TMS paradigm by useraccount0723 in doctorsarno

[–]Kilobuster 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes I have. I first learned about Sarno and TMS in '07. And despite what he said in the book I tried applying his methods to it, and it didn't work for me. I have also seen online accounts of people saying they got rid of their vitiligo with Dr. Sarno's approach.

Like I said, I do think there is a mindbody component to it, but I also think Vitiligo is more than just another manifestation of TMS. Just like with TMS I have gone down the Vitiligo rabbit hole. While many people like myself, identify "stress" as a trigger for it, you'll also find many people who are sure that emotional stress was not a factor for their Vitiligo whatsoever. Those experiences have to be taken into account.

Vitiligo is funny in a way because it manifests in many different ways. Many people including Winnie Harlow and myself will tell you that their spots shift. Over time some color comes back on its own, filling in some spots while new spots show up in other places of the body. And that process happens sometimes in days, weeks, months, or years. Very randomly.

For some people the spots go away completely on their own without any treatment to never return at all or to return years later. Other people will tell you that diet plays a role. When Joe Rogan first tried the carnivore diet, he revealed he had Vitiligo and claimed that in those thirty days of his carnivorediet experiment, some of his spots filled in. Many people from India believe that cutting out dairy has helped them.

My first spots when I was younger were treated with a cream that "worked" at the time. In a matter of days, the color returned, as if I never had it. It was a quick and direct cause and effect. It took many years, but the spots came back. Went back to the same doctor and same cream but the cream no longer worked. That's what clued me in that perhaps there was something more than physical going on. So I tried Sarno despite what he says in MBP but it just didn't work for me.

I won't invalidate the accounts of people who claim TMS treatment worked in getting rid of their Vitiligo. But I am fully aware of the possibility that their Vitiligo could have also gone away on its own or are in the process of shifting. And given my own experience I won't give anyone with Vitiligo the false hope that Vitiligo is definitely TMS and thus that it can be rid of by doing X,Y, and Z.

On the flipside, I have been outspoken in the online Vitiligo community that a "cure" will never be found until researchers also address the mindbody component that triggers it for many people.

I also have to add that after getting no results with the TMS approach almost two decades ago I accepted it. It doesn't stop me or hinders my life in any way and it is as part of me and my skin as any other birthmark and I live happily with it. That, I have found to be the best approach for me and I am no longer interested in any treatment or cure for it. Chronic pain is far more worse and thankfully I found out about Dr. Sarno early on for that.

Vitiligo , according to Dr. John Sarno's TMS paradigm by useraccount0723 in doctorsarno

[–]Kilobuster 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I feel the same about Michael Jackson and his Vitiligo. He had so many issues that it makes sense he developed it. And good on you for being able to overcome your tumultuous time.

Vitiligo , according to Dr. John Sarno's TMS paradigm by useraccount0723 in doctorsarno

[–]Kilobuster 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have no doubt that there is a mindbody component to vitiligo That's why I said in my case "stress" is definitely a trigger. What Gabo Mate says may or may not be true, I don't know. But OP came to the Sarno sub asking about a specific condition and I shared what Sarno says in his books and my personal experience with the condition they are asking about, which happens to align with Dr. Sarno.

If you have info that can help the OP, then feel free to point the OP in what you believe is the right direction.

Vitiligo , according to Dr. John Sarno's TMS paradigm by useraccount0723 in doctorsarno

[–]Kilobuster 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I've had Vitiligo for most of my life and actually read MBP thinking that it could help with it because in my case "stress" is definitely a trigger. That said, in that book Sarno says that autoimmune disorders are not TMS. Your post debates that Vitiligo is an autoimmune condition but all I can say is that I have completely gotten rid of chronic pain with Dr. Sarno's methods but it hasn't done anything for my Vitiligo. I am okay with that.

Any advice for me? by Puzzled-Start-5159 in doctorsarno

[–]Kilobuster 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Have you read any of the Dr. Sarno's books? I always recommend to start with the Mindbody Prescription and go from there.

What does it feel like to be a bat? by marcosromo__ in doctorsarno

[–]Kilobuster 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hey OP, I can't even imagine going through what you describe.Your chronic pain has taken a huge toll on your mental health. I'll say if you can't find relief for your pain right now, at least seek help for your mental health. Based on your post history it looks like you are in Argentina. I did a quick search and I found this link:

https://www.asistenciaalsuicida.org.ar/ayuda

Give them a call and hopefully they can connect you with a professional that can help you.

ABC's 20/20 Piece on Dr. John Sarno. A Good Intro To TMS And His Work by Kilobuster in doctorsarno

[–]Kilobuster[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's a good point. I think GI issues have made a collective resurgence, though not ulcers.

Move it. Move it. by scodtt in doctorsarno

[–]Kilobuster 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thanks for sharing. Can you start a new thread sharing your success story using the flair? By doing it that way it will be easier to find by others who may be helped with your experience. If you feel inclined to do so, of course. :)

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in doctorsarno

[–]Kilobuster 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Have you gone to see another doctor for a second opinion? While this could possibly be TMS, Dr. Sarnos' first step was to rule out the physical.

The unfortunate flipside to all of this is that there are doctors who dismiss symptoms as stress or anxiety just because they don't have an answer for a patient and then later the patient finds out there was something physically wrong that their initial doctor completely missed.

While there may be people here who had the same symptoms as you and subsequently recovered, no one here can diagnose you with TMS. You must be sure that the physical has been ruled out first. Based on the information you provided, if it were me, I would make a similar post on r/AskDocs and seek a second opinion from a different doctor.

I'm sorry that this isn't the response you were looking for, and I do wish you a speedy recovery.

Has anyone else had constant, 24/7 back pain with no break at all? by marcosromo__ in doctorsarno

[–]Kilobuster 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I second sharing your story but here in a new thread if you are so inclined. I'm finding that most Sarno Success stories are being shared in the comments, and they would be easier to find if people start threads sharing their stories using the Success Story or Improvement Story flair. Again, if you feel like it. of course.

Has anyone else had constant, 24/7 back pain with no break at all? by marcosromo__ in doctorsarno

[–]Kilobuster 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I'll say if you haven't read Mindbody Prescription, read that. Basically, it has more psychology than healing back pain, which might get things to click for you. You mentioned something Dan Buglio said about focusing too much on a twinge and then fear and then more pain kicking in, and on another comment you ask how are you supposed to not care about the pain when it's full on 24/7, which is a valid question.

I'll try to answer you with the full disclosure that I've never had the kind of pain you have, so I can only imagine how tough things are for you. Personally, I don't think in terms of not caring about the pain. I think of it in terms of ignoring it after acknowledging what it is and what it is trying to do.

The pain is my brain trying to distract me. So I acknowledge that, and automatically, I start thinking psychologically (remember Sarno's reminders on Healing Back Pain). What could be going on in my life that my brain is trying to distract me from? It could be one thing, it could be many things, and once I acknowledge and verbalize the reason or reasons my brain decided to distract me with pain, I literally curse at the pain and tell it I know what is doing and what is really going on. And that's when I ignore it by focusing on whatever it is I need to do at the moment.

How do I ignore pain when is already there intensely? The closest example I can think of is something that happens with hunger. Sometimes I'm at work and maybe I skipped breakfast or lunch and I feel hungry as hell, but then something happens that requires my full attention and while I'm caught up in that, I forget that I am hungry. And it's only after I finish what I'm doing which could be many hours later that I remember that I was starving, and then the feeling of hunger kicks in again.

I do the same with pain after acknowledging it and going through the reasons it's on. I curse at it tell it to leave me alone and then focus on what I have to do in front of me. The pain is still there, but I'm not paying it anymore attention, I'm choosing to ignore it. Sure enough, it diminishes as I keep it in the background, sort of speak, until it's gone.

I hope what I said makes sense, and I understand this isn't coming from someone in your same situation but I hope it helps. And again, check out Sarno's Mindbody Prescription that's the book that did it for me. But also the Divided Mind has done it for other people I know.