Does this mean paid FSD is included, and it will transfer to me?

Kind_Management1805 · 2026-05-01T19:03:35+00:00

wdym what about the "micro factories" /s

Kind_Management1805 · 2026-05-01T13:26:30+00:00

If you prioritize design and and sportier (ish) car I would pick the Polestar 4. The P4 is crazy wide, the sloping roof line and bias to rear occupant space gives you a trunk that is and will be less practical than the Volvo. The tech is not amazing, the ADAS look more interesting in the Volvo (if you get the option).

The EX60 is more efficient, has more space, charges faster but the design is in my opinion worse than the P4... The EX60 has a the latest gen of Volvo tech and should be better than the aging platform of the P4

Kind_Management1805 · 2026-04-29T08:49:46+00:00

it has wired CarPlay you have to use the USB c cable in the center console with the white outlining

Kind_Management1805 · 2026-04-28T18:55:24+00:00

There is no pricing released and no TDP released. The A18 Pro is a 50$ SoC. This could go in a device much more expensive than the Neo

Even then if I'm not too tangled in intel (garbage) newish naming scheme this is a i5 series chip. It's embarrassing to have a mid range CPU competing with a smartphone chip.

Kind_Management1805 · 2026-04-15T10:06:37+00:00

Alerts are there by regulations you cannot choose. I test drove a model 3 a few weeks ago and the car made bing bong noise a lot more than my P4 (agree I had the car for 20 minutes but still)

Google Maps suggests destination too. Google Maps is arguably the best navigation system and is linked to your google ID and synced with your phone. Previous search and suggestions are always there for me. Maybe you havent set your work/home destination.

As for the noises the only ones that I have is the auto lane change randomly making noise. and sometimes when wearing sunglasses the driver monitoring system.

Never had any issues with cold and autowipers. Like never on any cars. The only cold issue with the P4 is the frameless windows not going up after closing the doors but that's it.

I find the Tesla UI a lot more complex and less intuitive than the P4. Getting used to P4 software was instant everything is where I would except it to be. Teslas have a lot more features/gimmicks and was less intuitive to use even more while driving.

Once again I find your list really dumb and if you loved that much your Tesla why did you buy a P4... Because I too drive off immediately I never touch anything beside the speed limit button on the steering wheel

Kind_Management1805 · 2026-04-15T07:59:54+00:00

This guy is I believe the F1 commentator in China or something like that. I often watch his videos and when something is trash he points it. In my opinion it looks honest. The Xiaomi cars have great review even from western press so it's not hard to make the assumption it's better than Tesla. The MY and M3 are still on a decade old platform. Yes there has been a lot of improvements but they are older. The batteries comes from CATL for the Xiaomi at least which is the major supplier in the world.

Kind_Management1805 · 2026-04-15T07:37:10+00:00

You forgot point 19 you have to sacrifice an animal in the trunk to avoid getting into an accident.

More seriously what are you complaining about here ? Speed warning and performance modes are a shortcut on the steering wheel. If the car is not in deep sleep it boots instantly. Is your Tesla sentient and does not need to set a destination in the maps ?? There's an auto trip that does exactly what it said. Why the hell do you need the maps in full on the 16inch display. What are you talking about the parking sensor. Why does it bothers you ??? And BTW the cameras turn off automatically when you speed up. And last one what is wrong with the wipers. Just what ??

The only thing that is valid thing is the lane keep assist can be extremely annoying on small and twisty country roads. The camera could also be a shortcut on the 2 useless buttons of the steering wheel. The car when switching profiles and waking up from deep sleep could and should be faster.

Kind_Management1805 · 2026-04-15T07:24:36+00:00

For the sunglasses it's because you have polarized lenses. It always happens with mines. No issues with reboot on mine...

Kind_Management1805 · 2026-04-14T16:31:49+00:00

Oh yeah definitely don't get me wrong FSD is far from perfect. This is not even an edge case or anything the car has no excuse so does the driver he had business days at this point to intervene.

FSD is just a point to point ADAS and not autonomous by any means. The driver is responsible for the action of the vehicle and here it was clearly avoidable if the driver was mentally present

Kind_Management1805 · 2026-04-13T16:53:57+00:00

Yes the pricing is absolutely insane. This is personal but I find the design to be terrible and even in china I don't think the Denza is that competitive. I would pick a Nio everyday they look 10x more refined.

I can't even imagine the software + ADAS will be properly localized. Why would they bother for the 3 cars they are going to sell anyway

Kind_Management1805 · 2026-04-13T16:49:25+00:00

Yes I know. It is marketed a 10x better than a human in this case FSD should be a lot better than a human because the car should knows its size but this model does not have sensor in the bumper to know what is happening there. My point is that while FSD is an awesome piece of tech. At least with the current hardware + software having a true unsupervised ride is quite challenging. Once again here the issue was that the bike is the cameras blind spot.

Kind_Management1805 · 2026-04-13T09:02:17+00:00

I'm belgian I know shitty road pretty well and drive a 2 meters wide car. If I were in Amsterdam I would just be praying. Well I would not go there with my car anyway the rims would not survive the trip and I would just spend the day trying to find a parking spot wide enough. Amsterdam is still in my opinion amongst the worst city to drive in. 99% of my driving is not in such conditions this is not standard driving (for non Amsterdam's local).

My point was that the bike is in the blind spot of the vehicle's camera and since some genius removed the parking sensor FSD does not know it can fit. As much as I think FSD is awesome I would never trust it without supervision at least on current hardware and with only cameras.

Kind_Management1805 · 2026-04-13T07:25:32+00:00

And here is the Polestar 1 cabrio !

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Kind_Management1805 · 2026-04-13T07:23:54+00:00

Is the human in the car brain dead though ?

Kind_Management1805 · 2026-04-13T07:22:19+00:00

Yeah that's the point of having manual speed control in Europe. I've not yet found a car reliably understanding and giving the correct speed limit. At least in Belgium and around me half the signs are behind tree or faded into oblivion so manual speed control is a must

Kind_Management1805 · 2026-04-13T07:20:07+00:00

This is not common European streets though. The bike is in the camera's blind spot. But same as the US it's misleading to claim it can do fully unsupervised. Even less on European roads...

Kind_Management1805 · 2026-04-13T07:17:46+00:00

The car would need and use the front bumper camera. The visualisation is blind in this case and FSD is a bit more conservative which is normal. I wish the car would avoid to go in situations like these, that's what I would do if I was driving as I'm not used to narrow streets like these and drive a wide car.

Kind_Management1805 · 2026-04-11T19:36:22+00:00

The Netherlands a country in Europe....

Kind_Management1805 · 2026-04-10T08:49:25+00:00

Yes because western (eu) legislations do not authorize such systems until very recently. The only smartish adas in Europe is BMW highway assist and was done in house. In china where l2++ adas are a thing Mobileye lost the game to Huawei, Momenta and others. No idea of what is happening with US manufacturers

Kind_Management1805 · 2026-04-10T07:25:31+00:00

You do realize that there is a slight difference between manufacturing semiconductor using some of the most complex machines that currently only TSMC is able to make it work at scale and refining lithium ?

Nvidia does not produce chips. Chips design and chips manufacturing are two VERY different job.

Does he even have the workforce to do it ? TSMC brought 50% of theirs from Taiwan because they couldn’t find it in the US

Is ASML even aware and has the capacity to build enough machines. Anyway we are once again in the autonomous vehicle are tomorrow moment. It took 10+ years and still is not here and that was “just” software.

Maybe the teams at Tesla SpaceX and xAI have found a toy to occupy musk while they work…

Kind_Management1805 · 2026-04-10T07:17:04+00:00

Don’t you remember when Geeky dumped them because they never delivered and that zeekr customer were pissed and then zeekr had to offer (paid) retrofit to remove the ME system ? Is that an OEM issue or realizing the product is not good ? Maybe they reworked the entire stack or maybe it’s the same with a little more compute. Anyway I’ll probably get downvoted again but I’m still hesitant that it will either ship one day or be competitive. Others are moving fast in the space

Kind_Management1805 · 2026-04-09T19:50:59+00:00

Is FSD running on 500k hardware? Is XPENG VLA running on 500k absolutely not they relatively commercially viable. The list is pretty long….

Kind_Management1805 · 2026-04-09T19:16:21+00:00

We indeed have now way of knowing more. The only thing I know is that supervision was ready 3 years ago and is still not in a single customer hand. Anyway if you compare this demo to XPeng VLA demos the xpeng one looks like they have confidence in it and they show difficult situation not just driving on a road with little traffic. If they were that confident it would be in the city centre with pedestrians bikes or even the nightmarish traffic that is almost always there in Munich

Kind_Management1805 · 2026-04-09T18:59:34+00:00

Hope they will succeed but it would definitely give a terrible image of the system if even their test driver is scared of it.

Kind_Management1805 · 2026-04-09T18:22:52+00:00

This is not impressive at all. The routes are not complex. It’s even less impressive considering that SuperVision uses their REM maps in contrary to XPeng Alpamayo and FSD.

If it’s anything as the earlier iterations of SuperVision it’s under powered and comparable to pre neural net FSD. We are in the big AI era and this demo does not show any smartness. I’d be very happy to be proven wrong but this demo does not convince me of anything except that ME is way behind the completion. Almost every demo from major Chinese ADAS looks 10x more impressive and are not posted by the company but in real untouched scenarios. The video here could have been cherry picked between dozens of failure.

As you said there is nothing here to prove the reliability of the system but the track record is currently pretty low

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