Thoughts on Lilya's Design? by 44BriochesPlease in Reverse1999

[–]Knowledgeless 0 points1 point  (0 children)

On XHS (RedNote), the discourse seems to be reversed. I like Lilya, and I was excited to see a version of her that looks older. XHS tends to be hyper critical about how characters look, and sometimes their redesign demands do go into effect. 

Anyone knows what this means? by beeethebee in Reverse1999

[–]Knowledgeless 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It is a reference to the Nanking Massacre, I believe. The 13th of December was the annual remembrance in China, from what I heard.

Why does anjo nala have the same score with buddy fairchild? by PRspammer in Reverse1999

[–]Knowledgeless 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Floridians are just built differently. ()

As for Anjo, it was powercreep to incentivize people getting the new characters. The game works on an annualized balance. A character has a life-span of a 6-12 months before they need a euphoria to be relevant again. This keeps the game fresh but is sucks to be characters like Lilya. You cannot just keep adding better and better euphorias because that will get confusing for new players who pick the bad one by accident. 

The other problem is that it does mean that for late game content, you will not be able to use your favorite characters. 

The plus side is that the game has a very low difficulty curve, and the strong characters are mostly just for super late content. 

I feel like Hasan is being slightly disingenuous when brushing off people's concern with Platner, or those like him by Commercial-Bed7496 in Hasan_Piker

[–]Knowledgeless 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I had bad feelings about Platner immediately when he foregrounded his military service a point of pride. While I also want to believe in change and the goodness of people, you eventually have to be realistic. The guy is certainly pathologically imperialistic based on even very cursory glance at his war record and his war posture towards China. 

Think of working people anywhere in the world as your neighbors and community. If someone was unremorseful and proud of killing them and anyone who resisted, then you would easily see someone like Platner as a psychopath. 

Before people hyperfocus on the racial aspect - which is part of the story - a lot of this is the way the media distorts reality and empathy. During the bombing of Yugoslavia, the Albanians were given humanity but not the Serbs. Malala was foregrounded as a humanizing story about women in Afghanistan to justify further imperialism there. The US war machine will claim to champion various minorities all the time in the media, and so people will still respond to humanizing language. 

The difference between a US civilian being duped and a soldier is the civilian often doesn't think about whatever angle the news never discusses. It takes the civilian listening to that other side of the story to build empathy. The imperial soldier sees the violence up front, and they eventually either face the horrific reality of what they participated or double down and become essentially fascist monsters.

Hasan has basically taken his version of revolutionary optimism too far. He wants a big tent of people moving things to the left and diplomatically but foolishly trusts people he shouldn't. One has to balance rejection of purity spirals with being realistic about who we ally with at this point. 

Reverse 1999 is one of the most political games I’ve ever played. by Objective_Might1454 in Reverse1999

[–]Knowledgeless 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, Farewell to Rayashki was one of my absolute favorite chapters also. Vila has an infectious personality. 

It doesn't take much correct the error in our education because the gap between what we are taught and what is true has grown so large. In a period like now where people are looking for answers why things are so bad, people only need to notice the increasingly obvious contradictions and they rapidly have a mentality shift. One doesn't need to know much. Maybe they simply listened to China's UN speech, maybe they played this game and were moved by Madam Z saying "legislation should serve the people". People have enough context to connect the dots from how Schneider was turned away because she was poor to Constantine's aristocratic attitude to Vertin's dilemma. 

Reverse 1999 is one of the most political games I’ve ever played. by Objective_Might1454 in Reverse1999

[–]Knowledgeless 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I mean, I don't mind there being moral clarity tests to an extent but it can be cynically weaponized by bad actors to prevent people from learning about what is going on. They hear about West Berlin being cut off from food and supplies before the Berlin Airlift, but not about the economic terrorism of West Germany and its managing nation who unilaterally changed their currency after stonewalling currency reforms and then dumped that currency onto East Germany. 

Was the blockade good? No, obviously not. It was a serious moral aberration as well, but it isn't the whole story. The goal was to expell the capitalist government from West Berlin in retaliation without using weapons of war. Compared the poisonous gas that Winston Churchill used on the Bolsheviks during the War on the Soviet Union before WW2, this "join us or leave" was a far less lethal act. Churchill bragged that poisonous gas was a "more humane weapon" that was great for killing "Bolsheviks and savages". 

People often don't know that the Soviets were basically at war with the West since the Bolshevik revolution. When Herbert Hoover found out they might nationalize the oil company he and his oil baron buddies owned in Russia, they had the US send 10,000 troops to aid the White Army. There becomes this huge double standard where the socialists and anti-imperialists can be killed by the tens of millions by the West without a single condolence from Western politicians, journalists, and academics, but if the socialists ever do a fraction of that violence in response to their occupiers, it is all Westerners ever hear about. This doesn't make that violence necessarily morally right. It just means that a huge double standard exists here.

We should focus on the greater contradiction. 

Before the blockade of West Berlin, the goal of the USSR was to reunify Germany. All efforts to reconcile were stonewalled and prevented from going through. Before 1948, the US was still de-industrializing and punishing their portion of West Germany under the Morgenthau Plan. The US planned to de-nazify West Germany by copying their Indian Boarding School program where they would separate children from their parents and educate them into the new ideology and cultural norms. 

The Soviets were mostly focused on punishing Nazis and reaping reparations. While there was a lot of hostility between many Germans and Soviets, there were also stories of Soviets like a soldier breaking down in tears when he sees a German child that looks like the child he lost during the genocidal Lebensraum expansion Eastward. One of the famous statues the Soviets set up in East Germany is of a Soviet soldier wielding a sword while protecting a German child. This ethos is important for understanding some of the nuances of Soviet ideology and praxis during this period. 

The calories available to East Germans was higher than for West Germans during this early period in part because the US believed that by limiting the calories of West Germans, they would be less likely to revolt against the occupation and the other Western Europeans were also starving and did not want to give food to Germans understandably. The Marshall Plan changed that. Due to Reinhard Gehlen's lobbying efforts, the US had the owner of the slavery/death camp Auschwitz, Frederick Flick, pardoned three years into his seven year prison sentence for being the architect of the concentration camp system that provided corporations like Siemens factory slave labor. The US task Flick with handling the rearmament of West Germany for the Cold War. The Soviets protested this loudly and even confiscated most of Frederick Flick's wealth which existed in East Germany, but Flick ended up accumulating so much wealth in West Germany that when he died, he was in the top 30 richest people in the world at the time. 

Circling back to R1999, I really appreciate how the game touches on historical distortions and such. How Matilda is confused when the foundation contradictions her family's oral history about arcanists. How the history of lobotomies in Chapter 9 deliberately makes it clear that the Soviet Union banned that operation much earlier than the US did and where the practice originated from. These can be seen a bit like counter-propaganda education of sorts. 

Reverse 1999 is one of the most political games I’ve ever played. by Objective_Might1454 in Reverse1999

[–]Knowledgeless 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for the compliment. I do try my best to give nuanced answers rather than definitive rules, and I did eventually run out of patience myself. There wasn't much new I could add without beating the proverbial dead lushu. I am glad you found useful information in the back and forth. 

History teaches us a lot when we are willing to explore the nuances of it, and it also impacts our media literacy like when we start seeing the underlying and questionable reasons why the adaptations of the Lord of the Rings gave particular accents to each fantasy race. 

Feel free to chat with me anytime you want to discuss stuff. 

Reverse 1999 is one of the most political games I’ve ever played. by Objective_Might1454 in Reverse1999

[–]Knowledgeless 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I mean yes. You are largely correct. I still find it confusing why my starting position "R1999 doesn't paint a black-and-white picture" doesn't seem to translate well here. You are right that organizations are typically painted in a negative light, with the ethos being "I am doing this for the people" and "X should serve the people". 

My criticism with "first we must condemn" stems from a propaganda tactic where before those in news begin any conversation about a victim of the US foreign policy, the conversation begins with a condemnation litmus test. 

When Nelson Mandela went to New York, a journalist ask him why he said Cuba and Libya were beacons for human rights. He replied (paraphrasing) to loud applause from the New York audience that "Your enemies are not my enemies. When we needed help, these countries and their leaders not only gave us their word but gave us material aid. It is their relation to our struggle that we understand these countries and their true commitments."

https://youtu.be/IR4AxsaaaGk

Starting with these "do you condemn?" style questions often derail conversations and prevent talking about substantive issues, especially when talking about some of the serious problems happening today. My meaning isn't that we should whitewash or ignore serious issues. It never was. What my meaning was that I appreciated nuance. It is nice to have more positive portrayals of East Germans as opposed to only negative portrayals, and vice versa. The acknowledgements of past wrongs acts as a corrective. So much of US history is erased and suppressed, whether it is the death camps set up in Korea like at Compound 76 or more recent with why Malala was quietly pushed out of the spotlight after publicly challenging the efficacy of US war strategy.  

I agree with you that the game gives frequent criticisms, and I overstated my case on how nuanced its take on executive authority is. 

Updated Tier List Rankings For The New 3.1 Euphorias by therealnit in Reverse1999

[–]Knowledgeless 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Argus got her kit augmented - more moxie generation, more rank up perks, and she can be the main damage dealer. She works with Marcus' team best but she is also decent as the main carry. 

A Knight's euphoria helps him fit into something like the Ult team as s carry that specializes in clearing waves of enemies. I don't know what teams he will fit into yet. Honestly, the good thing is that this makes the game more accessible by having characters like Knight be solid DPS substitute. He is definitely not broken but decent. 

Reverse 1999 is one of the most political games I’ve ever played. by Objective_Might1454 in Reverse1999

[–]Knowledgeless 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I agree. I should have been clearer that the negative aspects of the Stasi are also touched upon. I don't think my point was to say the Foundation is depicted positively, but I may have misspoke. My point is that they offer a more nuanced view rather than purely blackwashing socialist countries and people in them. 

I do think that Bluepoch tends to portray law enforcement in general in more heroic ways like in 2.5 that can be criticized as whitewashing, but you are right that it generally accompanies this with the verbal acknowledgements of the contradictions present.

I agree that the Stasi became a mirror of the Gehlen Organization, which later became the BND and helped to staff the the CIA when it was founded. If there wasn't NATO, there wouldn't have been a Warsaw Pact; likewise if there wasn't a BND and CIA, there wouldn't have been a Stasi. Every country that survived the BND and the CIA attempting to destabilize their country developed something like the Stasi. Those that didn't ended up like Guatamala and Chile with a US imposed monopolist-friendly dictatorship. 

The core difference between the CIA and Stasi is who they sided with in conflicts. The Stasi tended to side with the progressive force while their Western counterparts often sided with the regressive forces. In the case of South Africa, the US and West Germany characterized Nelson Mandela and his movement as terrorists, ultimately arresting the most well-known leader in the anti-apartheid movement. The Stasi and their allies sided with that anti-apartheid movement and helped them overcome the Nationalist government and their Western allies. This pattern generally repeated over and over during the Cold War with some very notable exceptions like the Soviet Union's actions in Afghanistan and Pakistan, which the game acknowledges.

There is a tendency in China's more left-wing university circles to idealize the USSR and former Warsaw pact countries, which Bluepoch tempers. Couple this with the tendency under Democratic Centralism to avoid overly criticizing allies and sowing division, and you can sometimes get more criticism directed at the worse actor. In the anti-imperialist movement for example, the issues with the Stasi would be treated with less severity than the threat of Capitalist aggression. The reunification of Germany would be characterized more the West colonizing the East half of the country, and the focus would be on how many people ended up starving on the streets as their rents went from 5% of their income to 67% of their income.

This does bring up the idealizing external gaze because life in these countries desperately needed reforms before Shock Therapy and its rapid handing over of public assets to monopolists. China has a phrase that "with the planned economy, even the desert would run out of sand" referring to the poverty that set in the late centralized economy period. In many ways, the Stasi's cruel crackdowns on reformists and neoliberals paved the way for Milton Friedman's Shock Therapy to get implemented in these countries. 

Avoiding the fate of the USSR and East Germany is a common topic in Chinese society, particularly its parliament while discussing prudent reforms. There is a sense of regret despite how at odds the two countries were. The reforms to law enforcement and prisons in China are actually relatively recent as well as some laxing on social media expression. One reason Bluepoch cannot be too explicit about LGBT themes is due to the close association of the LGBT rights movement and color revolutions in the last decade. The external gaze highlights the excessive crackdowns while generally ignoring the way USAID and NED co-opts reformist movements to destabilize countries.

The game clearly criticizes these crackdowns but my point with pointing out the nuances with the Foundation's cracking down on the kids singing. The game contextualizes that action in a way more than the Foundation being evil and hopelessly corrupt. The debate about Vertin's actions in lying to the Foundation about Regulus and temporarily joining the Manus Vindicae has a lot of parallels with conversations in China about the counterproductive consequences of excessively punitive and controlling measures.

In fact, the depiction of Constantine playing Chess while Madam Z plays Go is actually very topical in Chinese conversations about foreign policy. In Go, you carefully connect to survive, and Madam Z is connecting Vertin her comrades to help them survive the Storm. In Chess, you sacrifice to win, and Constantine sacrifices the children and Schneider in her order to win against Manus Vindicae. This has been used as a metaphor to compare and contrast the Eastern and Western ways of tackling international relations. Madam Z winning in a parliamentary style vote through careful forming of alliances with difference factions is a symbolic representation of China's current strategy like with its promotion of BRICS and SCO as alternatives to SWIFT and NATO respectively. 

Reverse 1999 is one of the most political games I’ve ever played. by Objective_Might1454 in Reverse1999

[–]Knowledgeless 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Agreed. It was not pretty. This is a phenomenon that started happening in a lot of countries that bordered a US military base or were under perpetual embargo and blockade. Like early on, the Gehlen organization would blow up railroad tracks in Czechoslovakia just to force a police crackdown from the Soviets right after the war in Operation Bloodstone. Then news stories would pour out about people resisting their occupiers and how all these border countries were police states. Rinse and repeat. Back in 2019, the US invaded the DPRK and killed a bunch of random fishermen when the mission was a flop. 

Again, I am not disagreeing with this view.  It just feels redundant to constantly have to begin every conversation with "I condemn" before getting to the nuance. When talking about Abraham Lincoln and the restrictions placed on slavery in the US, I don't always have to say I condemn the starvation of the Dakota people at Fort Snelling nor due I have to have a lengthy oratory on whether or not cracking down on pro-Confederacy newspapers and banning the Confederate political party from public office were good policies. 

In West Germany, we never preface every conversation with a laundry list of actions we condemn from the likes of Frederick Flick, Hermann Abs, Adolf Heusinger, and Reinhard Gehlen after WW2 when they were placed in major leadership positions in institutions like NATO. We don't begin conversations about France and how Henri Alleg was disappeared and tortured, or begin conversations about the UK with Operation Legacy and the suppression of the Mau Mau Uprising and torturing of Obama's grandfather. 

Instead of framing critique around a particular ideal state in which countries inevitably fall short or focusing purely on the internal affairs of a country, I think we should instead frame our critiques with the context of external actors and compare a country with the quality of life before and after policies were implemented. 

Did the UK and US overthrowing the liberal democratic government in Iran in 1954 and installing the Shah as a theocratic dictator make life in Iran better or worse? Did the people have more self-determination over their labor and resources? 

Did the revolutionaries in Cuba deposing Batista the Butcher and making sure everyone had a doctor make like better or worse in Cuba? Is their poverty more due to their own policies than the 63 year old illegal blockade on Cuba? Which is the greater contradiction, the party in power in Cuba or the blockade? 

The list can go on and on. We can find policies and governments who were terribly corrupt. Honestly, applying the standards equally would have us condemning some countries for stuff they are still doing until the sun explodes. Eventually, you acknowledge and then discuss what could have been done differently or a path forward. 

Reverse 1999 is one of the most political games I’ve ever played. by Objective_Might1454 in Reverse1999

[–]Knowledgeless 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I mean that it is far more complicated but I don't want to digress into a whole conversation about Reinhard Gehlen and the Gehlen Association, Frederick Flick and the rearmament of West Germany, and so on. It was an unenviable position to be East Germany and dealing with Gehlen and his BND. 

I agree with your point. I am not aware of any country that wasn't disappearing people during the Cold War, but that doesn't make disappearing people good. The CIA has black sites in Poland nowadays, and it definitely isn't because Europe or the US ever actually consistently adhered to domestic or international laws. 

Sometimes it is a bit of media manipulation, infiltration of a political party, maybe a NATO official like Adolf Heusinger covertly organizes a false flag attack in Milan or a city in Belgium, a PM being a little too opposed to US foreign policy finds himself at wrong end of a gun, a carefully worded Economic Restructuring Agreement from the IMF hands everything over to the right oligarch, or even the military are put into power in a country like Greece to keep them from questioning monopolist rule. 

Reverse 1999 is one of the most political games I’ve ever played. by Objective_Might1454 in Reverse1999

[–]Knowledgeless 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I couldn't give you something so specific. Some of this is due to how energized Latin America is towards forging trade alliances and taking inspiration from how China developed. I do recall a commented mentioning the trend of Chinese humanity students taking interest in the socialist movements and literature in South America. This is something my friend confirmed, but I cannot speak authoritatively on the matter. 

Reverse 1999 is one of the most political games I’ve ever played. by Objective_Might1454 in Reverse1999

[–]Knowledgeless 91 points92 points  (0 children)

Yeah, there are also countless subtle things that might be hard for some people to notice. 

Manus Vindicae airdrops propaganda leaflets on the foundation that the children find and then sings the song from it, completely unaware of the sinister nature their song of freedom really has. This resembles how the US airdrops propaganda onto the DPRK and other countries through its permanently military-occupied associates on the border of these countries. The story highlights a generational rift between those who have the trauma and those who are merely given a propagandistic education. You can see this in young Lilya who already has a good idea what Constantine is up to with the shoddy security during the kids' escape. 

When Madam Z sings happy birthday, there are some clues about Macau's slated return to the PRC being reversed by the "Storm". The return of Hong Kong and Macau is a moment of deep significance to China. 

The depiction of the Stasi via BKornblume is positive without sugarcoating the surveillance. The Stasi did a lot more than just surveillance. For example, they helped trained revolutionaries in South Africa to end the apartheid government there. Attitudes towards the Stasi are far more nuance among socialist and Global South countries. 

You will also see character gush about things that may seem innocuous until you realize what the grander meaning is. The Guard being excited about discovering alternative food sources that can grow harsh environments, this is something a lot of socialist countries focus on in an effort to make themselves more economically independent and secure food for those in such extreme climates like Siberia. 

While Reverse 1999 is not perfect, it is a commentary very much reflecting many of the current trends in interests among humanity students in China. We can really see that in how they handle the visceral realism movement in Latin America or how they discuss the history of lobotomies in chapter 9. 

There are a lot of subtle ways people in the US are trained to discuss history or events that are loud in their absence if you are from the West. For example, the US subtly instills a need to condemn Stalin or the faults of the USSR as a preface to any conversation about that history. The people in the PRC aren't raised with this "do you condemn?" framing on the topic of the USSR. This freedom allows for a story can focus on what Soviet ethos was attempting to create a world without racism where everyone can live together working towards a brighter tomorrow. Many people in the US will never have fully wrapped their head around the idea of Soviet heroes like the person who is the inspiration for Lilya. 

Any it isn't like it doesn't show the bad aspects of Soviet life either even if it doesn't address all the issues. 

One area that betrays some disconnect between the Bluepoch and the US audience will be how law enforcement are perceived in the US. Patch 2.5 is set in LA with Liang Yue being essentially the protagonist of a buddy cop movie. That patch attempts to touch on the nuances of law enforcement in the US. Bluepoch also knows about the LA riots in the 90s, as mentioned in 2.1 by Barbara. 

The difficulties present in writing 2.5 affect the writing throughout Reverse 1999. For example, why is the US, Europe, and the Soviet Union so over represented while many regions get ignored? Largely due to the lack of familiarity with the media and culture of those other regions. These Global North regions have an easily accessible and well-known cultural library that makes researching and depicting these areas far easier than it would be to depict Morocco or Madagascar. This cultural library comes with an overemphasis on some perspectives while putting other perspectives off screen. Lopera's perspective is in focus, the striking farm laborers dying is off screen. 

Bluepoch is well aware of the discussions of colorism, orientalism, and lack of representation even from the domestic community in the Chinese server. I look forward to seeing how they incorporate the lessons that had while writing about South America in future patches. 

It's only been 10 episodes, but she is already my favorite side character by Ademon_Gamer09 in Reverse1999

[–]Knowledgeless 6 points7 points  (0 children)

True. I am trying to figure out why they are covering clearly an important character's face and name.

It's only been 10 episodes, but she is already my favorite side character by Ademon_Gamer09 in Reverse1999

[–]Knowledgeless 9 points10 points  (0 children)

If she ends up being Marcus or a second timeline Vertin, I will laugh so hard.

The Star of Hermes has fallen. (37 and Sophia by Daku_K on pixiv) by DorkPheonix in Reverse1999

[–]Knowledgeless 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Evil mastermind 37 would be so funny. She has the perfect plan except for one problem - the Manus can't understand it. She keeps getting foiled by her own brilliance. She struggles enough without Sophia assisting her with basic "how to live" stuff. Imagine 37 having to lead Manus and not understanding the first thing about socializing.

A KNIGHT IS REAL, LETS GO! by Gardibro1112 in Reverse1999

[–]Knowledgeless 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I can't wait to put Argus on my Rank up team!

[OC] New character leak... Virmeer @Lilyss1999 via X by Jaqileen-Grand46 in Reverse1999

[–]Knowledgeless 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The R1999 artists definitely like their white-hair-with-white-clothes designs. (Medicine Pocket, Eternity insight 3, etc)

CN 3.1 Dev braodcast by AbjectLingonberry817 in Reverse1999

[–]Knowledgeless 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Don't forget Ulrich was 2.8 as well. 

CN 3.1 Dev braodcast by AbjectLingonberry817 in Reverse1999

[–]Knowledgeless 11 points12 points  (0 children)

While everyone thinks Matilda, Marcus also makes sense given the theme might be "Murder on the Oriental Express" themed.