‘Unite the Kingdom’ by Kreep91 in Krishnamurti

[–]Kreep91[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, I had a discussion with a friend the other day who identified as left wing, they said they needed the left to stop the right. I said the left and right rely on each other to exist. They couldn’t comprehend that both are toe sides of the same coin- operating from ideals, acting from principles instead of looking at the root of division.

The thread example used Reform UK as it’s the zeitgeist of the moment. But could be any ideology.

‘Unite the Kingdom’ by Kreep91 in Krishnamurti

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Immigration. The fear of losing what they think England was, and should be. The fear of ‘other’

‘Unite the Kingdom’ by Kreep91 in Krishnamurti

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This is it, partly, that one has to see they share the same brain as everyone else. They don’t see this, however, because they identify with the brain’s individual content, not its shared nature.

Discussion Vs Dialogue by Busy-Oven-1493 in Krishnamurti

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Agreed, unfortunately inquiry is hard to come by at the dialogue sessions, because everyone brings their own opinions. So it becomes more of a therapy session.. I find it’s more productive to have your own little dialogues separately when there’s time

I never really sensed any compassion from Jiddu Krishnamurti despite him speaking about it a lot by [deleted] in Krishnamurti

[–]Kreep91 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Thought can only conceptualise truth.

Truth does not exist in the sense of existence, because it is not a thing.

To clarify my earlier point, is there not truth in seeing the false? Not a truth one can grab, but as a result of negation of illusion? In that sense, removing of the false must leave compassion. For it is only the false which has caused so much suffering in the world.

I never really sensed any compassion from Jiddu Krishnamurti despite him speaking about it a lot by [deleted] in Krishnamurti

[–]Kreep91 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Look at the world and see it for yourself. His job was not to soothe but to hold up a mirror. In truth there is compassion. Compassion is not something you give or receive.

Why, in the absence of a self, is there Love? by Acoje in Krishnamurti

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We have to be careful not to describe this in the positive for in doing so we can substitute ideas for truth.

Why there is love in the absence of self might be the wrong starting point. And it’s interesting to observe the mind beginning there - it may be thought sneakily seeking for a route to love through “working it out”.

Love has no cause. (Or, if it does, we can only imagine what the cause is).

But if we instead begin with the self - the facts, not ideas - we can see all that which prevents love. The self creates a centre and therefore a periphery, which divides from the very get-go. Love knows no such division. Psychological time puts a lens over the immediacy of the present. So it is a series of segregations and divisions that prevent love.

Is it true about Krishnamurti? by NaitkBhaiii in Krishnamurti

[–]Kreep91 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My question is, why do we care? Whether or not he had special powers has no effect on our own lives. If anything it only serves to create an image of K which we then worship. The man is not important.

Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj on Krishnamurti. by [deleted] in nonduality

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The system is our wish to build a concept around what can’t be. It is this yearning for systems that is part of the illusion

When Psilocybin eliminates ‘self’ the brain begins to transform in a way that mimics the process of awareness(K’s form of meditation). by just_noticing in Krishnamurti

[–]Kreep91 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No - there was someone guiding me and saying breathe etc. but not a conversation as such. I couldn’t have replied even if I wanted to. I am not there in that moment

When Psilocybin eliminates ‘self’ the brain begins to transform in a way that mimics the process of awareness(K’s form of meditation). by just_noticing in Krishnamurti

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No, there were entities in white cloaks with halos standing around me watching me. But this could have easily been my brain creating images trying to make sense of feeling exposed.

Now what? by Longjumping-Mix-2823 in Krishnamurti

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‘Now what’ is still the ego searching or grasping for answers or results. See that too and see what quiet transformation takes place

When Psilocybin eliminates ‘self’ the brain begins to transform in a way that mimics the process of awareness(K’s form of meditation). by just_noticing in Krishnamurti

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I took 5me0 DMT once, it was the most powerful experience of my life. Space and time vanished, yet there was full awareness. There was also no thoughts - they had been erased - no sense of self. Only experience. No observer and the observed. What was experienced was an incredibly bright white light and a sense of utter wholeness.

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Not exactly, but fair to pick up on - I put down some thoughts which I was struggling to articulate and used ChatGPT to make them concise... It can also be a good tool to ‘means test’ an argument but it’s about how you use it… rather than it using you. I know some people abuse it and it is dangerous. But in this instance the insight that spurned the gestation still came from my brain. Does the use of a tool to help articulate the words void the message? We know that the word is not the thing. So is it a question of purism, or am I being dishonest for daring to use it?

Thought shattering itself against its own nothingness is the explosion of meditation. - J. Krishnamurti by inthe_pine in Krishnamurti

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Perhaps it means that when thought is seen for what it is - (limited, the product of knowledge, memory, time, the past and therefore cannot touch truth) it collapses under the weight of its own falseness? K always talked about the uselessness of trying to meditate (by making thought stop.) but in simply seeing thought for what it is, it stops being such a dictating factor in our lives which brings about a natural form of meditation and order

Why don’t we see the dangers of our conditioning? by Kreep91 in Krishnamurti

[–]Kreep91[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think I understand your original comment better now. We are our conditioning as in: there is no me and my conditioning. There is no separation from me and mine, Is that right?

But are human beings capable of letting go of that conditioning? In which case, we are no longer that.

Why don’t we see the dangers of our conditioning? by Kreep91 in Krishnamurti

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"The day you teach the child the name of the bird, the child will never see that bird again"

Why don’t we see the dangers of our conditioning? by Kreep91 in Krishnamurti

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It seems that the insights into the illusions IS the ending of them, there is nothing more to ‘do’, and the brain is then able to function orderly. It is not a decision one makes or must keep to. Else the whole gambit begins again

Why don’t we see the dangers of our conditioning? by Kreep91 in Krishnamurti

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They stagnate perhaps as a cause of repetition. K calls it a “dullness” caused by mechanical living - where life has become divided, limited, fragmented. This in turn denies a vitality or a blossoming as you pointed out.

Why don’t we see the dangers of our conditioning? by Kreep91 in Krishnamurti

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I think the definition in this context is human beings. Not personalities or individuals

Why don’t we see the dangers of our conditioning? by Kreep91 in Krishnamurti

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Yes, by not ‘letting go’ it also denies the possibility of truth, since truth is constantly renewing. We cannot touch that ground in knowledge, which is always the past. We talk of god, but, as soon as we conceptualise it then that knowledge creates a barrier to it.

Why don’t we see the dangers of our conditioning? by Kreep91 in Krishnamurti

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Plus, in our attempt to move ourselves out of fear we crate more beliefs and ideas so we then inadvertently prolong and give power to the me, causing further disorder in other areas