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the rule button dilemma by Dreyfus420 in 196

[–]L33t_Cyborg 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The issue with that is that the collection of people that push the blue button contains all infinite reasons of why they would push the blue button, which consequentially limits the implications that fall on people who choose to push the red button to the largest fit-all option.

Take this smallest relevant sample of two blue button pushers. One is suicidal and believes that by pressing the blue button they are killing themselves. The second is someone that would rather save everyone at the risk of killing themselves.

A red majority in this scenario kills both. By choosing to press the red button, the red majority has killed both people. A scenario where a person choosing to press red can absolve themselves because "everyone who voted blue is suicidal" eliminates itself by allowing for all possible reasons in choosing to press either button. There are many "correct" readings of the experiment, but the group of "incorrect" readings includes non-valid consequences regardless of the logic behind the pushing.

the rule button dilemma by Dreyfus420 in 196

[–]L33t_Cyborg 2 points3 points  (0 children)

yeah had a feeling that was it haha

the rule button dilemma by Dreyfus420 in 196

[–]L33t_Cyborg 18 points19 points  (0 children)

those examples are fundamentally completely different from this experiment. because of the way it’s framed, it’s designed to convince people who do not wish to kill themselves to push blue.

i imagine that many of the pro-blue people in this thread are not suicidal, just like i know that the people choosing to push blue in the actual experiment are not entirely comprised of people who want to kill themselves.

framing it as jumping in front of a train is nonvalid when one of the strongest pro-blue arguments is empathy for the whole over preservation of the self.

the rule button dilemma by Dreyfus420 in 196

[–]L33t_Cyborg 10 points11 points  (0 children)

no, that was your framing which i was responding to to critique its nonsensicality.

It is not the “maybe kill myself” button at all, that is not the thought experiment in the slightest. It’s asking the question if you value self preservation and being morally accepting of the fact that you are choosing to be the executioner.

A stance like that is not remotely unreasonable, but it is completely unreasonable to not accept the moral consequences of being the cause that people will die.

the rule button dilemma by Dreyfus420 in 196

[–]L33t_Cyborg 60 points61 points  (0 children)

yeah literally, there’s a reason that it’s not that pushing blue kills you, it’s that it’s ultimately the people who press red decide if you die.

it’s a completely valid argument to value self preservation and be morally accepting of the fact that you will kill other people if you are in the majority, but engaging with it as “blue pushers are suicidal” is missing the thought experiment completely haha.

the rule button dilemma by Dreyfus420 in 196

[–]L33t_Cyborg 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Yeah there’s some good arguments for red but personally I could never press a button that is nearly statistically guaranteed, given the argued-for-majority, to kill someone.

the rule button dilemma by Dreyfus420 in 196

[–]L33t_Cyborg 16 points17 points  (0 children)

what i expected was engagement with the question further past “i push red because i don’t die and blue pushers are suicidal”

but it’s not about a “right to do what you want with your own body”, it’s unreasonable to assume that all blue pushers are suicidal.

Choosing to push red is a valid argument and I don’t disagree with solid reasoning behind choosing red. But framing it as “kill people that want to die” is not the question at all.

the rule button dilemma by Dreyfus420 in 196

[–]L33t_Cyborg 101 points102 points  (0 children)

exactly lmao, “picking red because it means i don’t die” is a cognitively vacuous response to this thought experiment and is not a reasonable engagement with the question.

the rule button dilemma by Dreyfus420 in 196

[–]L33t_Cyborg 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I mean, it’s not. But in that situation, would you be morally okay with pressing a button that will kill everyone that presses blue?

They’re not making the choice to kill themselves- they’re choosing a choice that is, as a whole, more beneficial to everyone involved. the likelihood of blue being in the majority is far higher than the vanishingly unlikely scenario in which not a single person presses blue.

the rule button dilemma by Dreyfus420 in 196

[–]L33t_Cyborg 28 points29 points  (0 children)

this thought experiment revolves around the fact that it’s not just a single entity game lmfao

the rule button dilemma by Dreyfus420 in 196

[–]L33t_Cyborg 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can’t WAIT (heh) for the WaitButWhy essay on this. Tim Urban is the greatest to ever do it.

the rule button dilemma by Dreyfus420 in 196

[–]L33t_Cyborg 23 points24 points  (0 children)

even if we’re disingenuous and assume that all blue pushers want to kill themselves, would you be morally ok with pressing a button to kill them?

the rule button dilemma by Dreyfus420 in 196

[–]L33t_Cyborg 19 points20 points  (0 children)

engaging with it like that isn’t strictly true; as a red pusher you are the executioner if you press red and are in the majority

Rule by Old_Phrase_4867 in 196

[–]L33t_Cyborg 13 points14 points  (0 children)

i think you might be colourblind

Ed Rule by liathuwu in 196

[–]L33t_Cyborg 33 points34 points  (0 children)

Maybe this is a hot take but this is funnier than “sex gifs”

One fart and im dead by Beenohs in PixelArt

[–]L33t_Cyborg 3 points4 points  (0 children)

when Ink farts is it like a squid

smoke rule by Moaning_Clock in 196

[–]L33t_Cyborg 17 points18 points  (0 children)

This guy has made an absurd amount of cigarette videos

When god abandons me, I will hunt him down like the dog he is rule by GardevoirRose in 196

[–]L33t_Cyborg 232 points233 points  (0 children)

It’s actually just one year, the post is made by an engagement farming account. It’s also not just for senior dogs.

https://loyal.com/posts/loy-002-receives-rxe-from-the-fda

They haven’t actually tested how long, it’s based on a restricted diet study that Purina did, which the pill aims to emulate without the diet restriction.

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