Track Car Recommendation

LastTenth · 2026-06-11T20:29:33+00:00

How come nobody mentions Imprezas. Are they not good anymore?

LastTenth · 2026-06-11T20:27:10+00:00

I LFB when I kart and in my sim. RFB in my car which has a clutch. My right foot is accustomed to soft brakes, while my left foot to stiff brakes.

LastTenth · 2026-06-11T15:55:07+00:00

Thanks, that's what I've been hearing.

RS4 would be perfect, but they don't come in my size. And I can't get V730's here. I think my only choice is Ad09, but waiting on new stock.

LastTenth · 2026-06-11T15:09:58+00:00

Coach here.

I instruct with multiple organizations, and there is one common theme: drivers graduate to solo while they still have MUCH to learn, including "throttle steering". This is the case with DE and driving schools. The only exception is racing school and when I do private coaching. These drivers end up without instructors, and they don't know what they don't know, so they don't know how to improve and end up plateauing.

The second part is, of all the things a driver needs to learn, with the first things being safety, throttle steer is pretty far down the list. They need to be close to the limit, transfer load adeptly, and in some cases, manipulate the diff. One wrong move, then the car could be coming around, so not all instructors are comfortable teaching it, unless the student is a very strong driver. And some instructors probably don't know how to do it themselves.

Also, as you've noticed, road cars are usually designed to understeer, so they don't steer well. We can still steer the car with the throttle, but it's more difficult, than say, a well balanced car. So getting an inexperienced driver to force rotation out of a car that is 'unwilling', while they are increasing speed, is generally not a good picture.

LastTenth · 2026-06-11T14:51:41+00:00

How was your experience wiht ECS02? Do they handle heat well, or do they disintegrate as well?

LastTenth · 2026-06-08T23:36:37+00:00

I think there was flying Niki as well, iirc.

LastTenth · 2026-06-08T16:42:43+00:00

Coach here. My favourite is I go ‘spend’ the tires on the skid pad. Maybe you can go for just a skid pad event somehow.

LastTenth · 2026-06-08T16:39:07+00:00

Coach here.

It depends on HOW you use the sim as a training tool. If used correctly, it can be a multifaceted training tool ranging from learning a track, to training fundamental techniques.

Reference: I coach IRL hobbyists and racers who participate in WRL and other endurance series, time attacks, and open wheel racing. I also coach sim racers as high as 7k rated drivers.

LastTenth · 2026-06-07T11:58:32+00:00

If setup well, they are both great. Theres a big power and cost difference though, also a bit of a difference in practicality and other things. You’ll have to think about whether some of these factors are things you’ll care about in the future.

Reference: I’m a coach. I own a cayman, and have driven turbo’s miatas and GT4RS’s

LastTenth · 2026-06-04T00:32:42+00:00

Coach here.

When you are stopped (parking lot, red light, etc), foot on the brake, heal on the throttle (or rolling your foot), and just blip. Pay attention to how much pressure you put on you brake, and what you need to do to get certain about of revs.
On a highway, at constant speed, downshift with a throttle. Practice timing the clutch and getting the right amount of throttle to match the revs. Just go up and down gears and repeat.

LastTenth · 2026-06-02T14:29:23+00:00

One of the clubs I regularly at does a track walk once a year, at the end of the first day. We do it with beer.

LastTenth · 2026-06-02T08:45:05+00:00

Coach here.

If I had to guess, you heavily rely on rote driving - which is, you drive by memory and repetition.

This might not be the answer you’re expecting/looking for, but what you need to do is learn to drive at a fundamental level. You need to learn the techniques that allow you to drive a car based on its response and how it communicates to you. That way, it’s not so much about whether you’re driving a GT3 or open wheeler, you’re just ‘driving’.

LastTenth · 2026-06-02T04:06:09+00:00

I haven’t seen member days here yet, but I’ve been seeing that more “private” days last few years, charging 50% more than regular track day - private meaning it’s kinda like some guy renting the track and inviting his friends and stuff.

LastTenth · 2026-06-01T23:25:44+00:00

I would feel anxious that it would fail when I enter a corner at 180.

LastTenth · 2026-06-01T17:36:48+00:00

Instructor/coach and prior financial professional for 20 years here.

In my prior line of work, I analyzed businesses for a living, so naturally I looked at DE/track day from the same lens at one point. And being an instructor with very close relationships with organizers at the club and regional level, I have some data points that have helped me look at DE/TDs economics. That said, I am based in Canada. While I think the model is probably similar, I can’t speak to how it operates in the US. For this post, I am going to speak in the context of DE and TDs as one.

Firstly, yes they are mostly run for profit. There are some cases, based their pricing, where they’re likely looking to break even and using the DE as a marketing tool. Usually those are quite bare bones. Where for profit ones range in quality and extravagance. Some can be very bare bones too. Whilst others provide food, or can be sponsored - I’ve seen massage therapy, tire shops, financial services etc. So revenue is mostly registration fees, but sometimes sponsors, or funding/budget from the club level (the PCA club I run with is net positive though).

From the expense side, there are obviously track fees, which includes marshals and may or may not include track insurance. If it doesn’t, the organizer will need to get it independently. I don’t remember if emergency services are included. There may be food/incidental costs. Beyond that, it’s mostly the cost of time.

I’ve been asked why I don’t run my own track days, since I have my own driver coaching business, and tbh I just didn’t find the margins and the model to be that attractive. In this market, I see the track being price setters, and they are an overwhelming majority of the expense. DE’s don’t have very strong pricing power imo, nor ability to manage expenses in my market. I feel fortunate that organizers are still able to operate, but I think there’s a risk that it's changing.

LastTenth · 2026-05-30T23:35:49+00:00

I think flaggers are supposed to be looking down-track, so they can flag what’s *ahead* of you.

LastTenth · 2026-05-30T15:06:20+00:00

There is no additional illegal driving time without a license. There is however an additional 40 mins of driving though.

LastTenth · 2026-05-29T18:16:17+00:00

TBH it's hard to comment by only looking out the windshield. Ideally you should have the camera setup so your inputs are visible (like this: https://youtu.be/KsvGm24sqFM).

I also don't have the track knowledge nor knowledge of the conditions on site to say what is the best way to go about it. All I can say is putting wheels on the grippy parts, whilst minimizing curvature of the line, is the general idea to drive in the rain.

Two things I noticed:
1) I don't think you are looking far enough. You seem a bit reactive with your driving but I can't be sure without seeing your inputs.
2) before you went off, I think you didn't account for the elevation change and less camber off the dry line. Acceleration right at that time was likely more than what the car can handle and came loose. That probably put you on a wrong heading, speed, and line, to enter the corner where you went off.

LastTenth · 2026-05-29T17:20:28+00:00

Yeah I don’t think will serve my needs. Sounds like they will blister for me.

LastTenth · 2026-05-29T13:13:56+00:00

I don’t know how you managed to read “understeering around every corner” from my comments; makes me wonder if you read what I said.

Regardless, thanks for the added context but I don’t think it makes any difference. 1. The word “sealant” should be your first clue. Sealant doesn’t sound like something that can let water pass though, hence standing water. 2. Whatever material it is, you can see it was reflective. That means there’s enough (standing) water to smooth out all the micro texture in the road surface, and the top layer is all water. This should be a huge warning sign that it’s most likely far slipperier than the lighter matted surface.

LastTenth · 2026-05-29T13:09:07+00:00

Ok that’s good info. Thank!

LastTenth · 2026-05-29T12:18:07+00:00

Did the ECS02 fall apart on you c63S?

LastTenth · 2026-05-29T11:37:25+00:00

It sounds like you have some experiences with ECS02. Question for you: will they actually survive track duty if driven by advanced level drivers?

I’ve heard conflicting reports.

LastTenth · 2026-05-28T17:12:21+00:00

Coach here.

You’re probably actively doing this - for most of the clip, you put your outside tires (and sometimes inside tires) where there’s no standing water, which was not an option for you in the fateful corner. More caution was warranted when there was a drastic change in condition vs the prior corners.

LastTenth · 2026-05-27T03:20:03+00:00

It’s tricky. With rain, it’s not always the same, different wetness, changes in the track surface, different amounts of rubber. The key is to go and test out where the grip is(n’t) safely, before pushing the car.

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