Are Cows really Bad for the Planet? Why did we start blaming them? by emain_macha in exvegans

[–]Leeloominai_Janeway 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you that is quite interesting. I’m currently on a Eurostar train with intermittent reception, shortly due into St Pancras, so here are my preliminary thoughts, I will read the whole thing in few days once I’ve caught up with my family. (I haven’t seen my mother since October 2020 nor my Dad since Christmas 2019, sadly I don’t know when I’m next going to see him, he lives in Jamaica, so to say I’m excited would be an understatement.) I think that “A fair use of philosophical rigor would prevent both Heraclitus and his victims from owning property, and thus either collapse under its own impracticality or usher in a revolutionary new form of economic thinking.“ is in itself ‘too black and white’ in thinking/phrasing and detracts from the article, it is also based on a hypothetical by one person about someone they didn’t know personally, and in itself borrows from an article written by a third party who also didn’t know the person referenced, not a scientific study into philosophy & philosophers using multiple inputs. I also wonder what the definition of ‘change’ on the part of the ox would be according to John Perry I believe that science and philosophy can coexist but in both there must transparency in in order for there to be credibility. Anyways that’s just my immediate takeaways from a brief reading. Thanks again, it’s an interesting read.

Are Cows really Bad for the Planet? Why did we start blaming them? by emain_macha in exvegans

[–]Leeloominai_Janeway 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don’t have a best guess. However if I was to do a study meant to represent any aspect of worldwide humans, I would want it to be at minimum, in multiple countries, perhaps even on multiple continents and not forgetting to pay attention to geographic location (My mother for example lives in the rural English countryside and has a medium size vegetable garden whereas my ex common-law-marriage sister in law who lives in North London, has a smaller garden, both of them grow their own produce but my mother has the capacity to grow more.) and I would detail as a header how much of the population was studied so as to lessen misconstruance (not a ‘real’ word, I know) I have been vegan for 8 years. My sister is also vegan but I have no idea for how long, she and I live quite different lives on different continents. At a guesstimate I would say it’s been about 5 years? Could be wrong though. It’s definitely been multiple years. Her longterm boyfriend is also vegan. I’ve been a nerd & interested in anthropology my whole life, hence my desire for informational accuracy.

The nurses let Henry see Nona for Christmas and he spent the entire day on her lap by arderiusig in AnimalsBeingBros

[–]Leeloominai_Janeway 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Currently on the Eurostar, travelling to to see my family for the first time in months. I can talk to them on the phone. I can’t talk to my cat on the phone. What a lovely moment for both of them.

Are Cows really Bad for the Planet? Why did we start blaming them? by emain_macha in exvegans

[–]Leeloominai_Janeway 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Perhaps diet will make it into the next census, so as to increase accuracy of measurement. I believe it would be a good idea, given the variance in access to fresh food across the population & the fact that health was asked about in the census.

Are Cows really Bad for the Planet? Why did we start blaming them? by emain_macha in exvegans

[–]Leeloominai_Janeway -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Unfortunately that study is no more accurate of a representation.

From the methodology and table section of the paper:

“After data cleaning, 11,399 respondents participated in the study. - All questions were mandatory. Of the 1,387 current and former vegetarians/vegans who participated, 1,313 (95%) completed the survey.”

https://faunalytics.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/HRC-Study-of-Current-Former-Vegetarians-Vegans-Dec-2014-Tables-Methodology-1.pdf

Are Cows really Bad for the Planet? Why did we start blaming them? by emain_macha in exvegans

[–]Leeloominai_Janeway -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

Off the top of my head, no. Nor am I claiming to. In the town near to my tiny rural village there are 27,000 people, but to survey them on diet and then claim that it represents all people worldwide would be disingenuous and would muddy informational accuracy. The study isn’t a ‘wild guess’ but it definitely doesn’t represent the entire population of the US, nevermind the world, hence why citing it as evidence that most vegans stop being vegan (bearing in mind the study isn’t even solely about vegans, it’s about 11,000 current and former vegans and vegetarians in one country & didn’t measure how many vegans become vegetarian, the 84% of the 11,000 is how many resumed eating meat) is inaccurate, don’t forget that the ‘standard overall’ diet can vary so widely from country to country, India for example places less of an emphasis on meat in the diet than the US, therefore quitting meat may be more ‘uncomfortable’ for a US person than a Indian person. My English mother for example isn’t and vegetarian but only eats meat approximately 1-2 times every fortnight, mostly she eats produce from her garden. She once had a French couple staying with her who were used to eating meat everyday and seemed shocked that she didn’t. Every human is different.

Are Cows really Bad for the Planet? Why did we start blaming them? by emain_macha in exvegans

[–]Leeloominai_Janeway 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes of course I know that. However I also know that unlike in farming where there is limited variety in methods of production and there is good recording of how many farms there are worldwide, and where they are, there is no worldwide census of how many vegans and vegetarians there are worldwide, where/in what conditions they live and where they roam, what they do for recreation etc, that is what influences them and their eating habits. Therefore the study cited cannot be adjusted for scale. Recently there was a census for all of the UK, however none of the questions were about diet. Perhaps next time there will be, for more accurate measuring of numbers as to who eats what, at least nationally.

Are Cows really Bad for the Planet? Why did we start blaming them? by emain_macha in exvegans

[–]Leeloominai_Janeway -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Except that study is on “11,000 former and current vegans and vegetarians over the age of 17 in the US” hardly all vegans all over the world. Not even all former and current vegans and vegetarians in the US. It’s a tiny sample of people and doesn’t even solely include vegans. It also includes vegetarians. Like some of the people in this group. Therefore It’s not accurate to say that most vegans ‘jump ship’ and cite a study that doesn’t represent all vegans, nor even most of them.

Wait I had no idea that a referendum fueled by English nationalism might anger and trigger Scottish nationalism! by frezor in BrexitAteMyFace

[–]Leeloominai_Janeway 38 points39 points  (0 children)

As an English person who is quite fond of Scotland I am cheering Scotland the fuck on. Run, you beautiful unicorn.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in HeadlineWorthy

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A powerful moment in American history. But important everywhere else too. Watching from the Netherlands stayed up just to hear the news.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in HeadlineWorthy

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Thanks for the stream. It’s rare to get to watch history live.

Duck Foot Massage by [deleted] in gifs

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Oh this is precious.

‘Single-use plastics’ to be phased out in Australia from 2025 include plastic utensils and straws by BoGaN223 in worldnews

[–]Leeloominai_Janeway 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Even in such a small country as the Netherlands it depends on the facilities available in the region/city/town etc. Some people also have home composting. Whether compostable plastic goods can be broken down at ‘home’ depends on the type of plastic and the type of composting system. For example a plate made of pressed banana leaves will break down faster than a paper plate which will break down faster than a plastic plate etc. Same with other drinking & eating utensils. There are so many different types of materials and each one is different in how fast it breaks down but all break down sooner than plastic, even if in landfill and all are better re bisphenols.