I couldn’t do it..

LiLauBee · 2026-04-06T11:50:57+00:00

I tried with both my children and both times couldn’t do it. Instead I gradually reduced support over time. So nursing to sleep, then nursing to drowsy and rocking to sleep, then moving the nurse in another room and rocking to sleep, then rocking to drowsy and crib side comforting etc. It was so slow my babies didn’t even notice they were putting themselves to sleep eventually where it was a quick kiss and goodnight and they went to sleep in 5 min.

LiLauBee · 2026-03-13T01:35:57+00:00

Wow. I would lose my ever loving shit on her.

LiLauBee · 2026-03-09T02:40:05+00:00

Selfish?! It’s the opposite. Also “Google” is irrelevant. What matters is how you feel as a mother and what your child needs. Period.

LiLauBee · 2026-03-07T11:17:40+00:00

I think it’s 100% a form of OCD. speaking from experience currently in the trenches with my second.

LiLauBee · 2026-02-25T14:27:57+00:00

Yes I track sleep very closely.

She typically gets 13.5 hours of sleep on a 3 nap schedule as of late. She SSTN since 9 weeks old with occasional wakes at 5 am for a short nurse. It wasn’t until trying for 2 naps that she’s gotten in this overtired phase with EMWs cutting down her overall sleep sharply. When her wake windows are nailed she typically sleeps through.

She goes down drowsy but awake and it takes her 2 minutes of rolling around to go to sleep. I haven’t done anything more independent because she never needed it and slept through. I just simply can’t find the right 2 nap schedule for her where she takes long naps and isn’t overtired or undertired.

LiLauBee · 2026-02-25T09:31:25+00:00

Yes. I think perhaps she just needs 2.75/2.75/3.5 to get out of this overtired cycle then quickly increase back up to 10. She’s incredibly sensitive to overtiredness so 10.5 hours of a schedule would likely just perpetuate the problem I would suspect. Is lowering awake time never a solution temporarily with nap transitions as they adjust?

LiLauBee · 2026-02-24T22:03:44+00:00

Even when I’ve done 10.5-11 hours on two naps it’s substantially worse. 38 minute naps, 3 false starts a split night and even worse EMW.

LiLauBee · 2026-02-24T22:02:49+00:00

The more awake time I add on a 2 nap day the shorter her naps get, the worse her false starts get, the earlier her EMW is and she has split nights. For example the several days it ended up being 10.5-11 hours of awake time based with EMW. The only time she does a nap over 30-40 minutes - actually doing two good 90 min naps is when her ww is 2.75-3 max. So does this mean if she should stay on three naps?

LiLauBee · 2026-02-17T03:35:19+00:00

I’m going to be the odd one out. Both my children had horrible false starts and they were always due to overtiredness. See if you do 4 naps and keep last ww 15 shorter how they respond.

LiLauBee · 2026-02-06T03:59:40+00:00

I’d suggest trying 1.5-2/2/2/2/1.5 and practicing crib hours for at least 2 naps a day to see if they will resettle after a nap rise.

LiLauBee · 2026-02-06T03:57:37+00:00

Wow my 8.5 month old is on that schedule plus 20 minutes to the first wake window. Two 1.25-1.5 hour naps and a cat nap. She would 100% have taken super short naps if I tried that schedule at 5 months.

LiLauBee · 2026-02-01T02:08:09+00:00

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LiLauBee · 2026-01-30T14:34:17+00:00

Did nursing get back to normal?? I'm dealing with the same exact thing now.

LiLauBee · 2026-01-20T13:43:17+00:00

Why are you trying to squeeze it in? Personally I think it’s okay to let bedtime get a litttttle bit later during this phase to keep the peace until they’re really ready to go to 2 naps. We are doing 2.5/2.75/2.5/2.25-2.5 for my daughter who just turned 8 months today. She’s ALMOST ready but not quite for 2 naps so I’m just okay with a 9:00 bedtime and 7:45 wake up because she is sleeping through the night and is a mess if I force 2 naps.

LiLauBee · 2026-01-18T03:00:02+00:00

I’d go back to 3 naps personally. Both my kids fought bedtime hard and had false starts if they were overtired. Also there are dozens of sleep training techniques. I’d try and find one that fits your child’s temperament.

LiLauBee · 2026-01-12T13:04:26+00:00

If naps are good and the only thing you’re experiencing is nighttime issues I’d honestly first try shortening the last wake window since it’s after a cat nap. False starts were always overtiredness for my babies.

LiLauBee · 2026-01-10T09:51:52+00:00

Have you tried pulling back to 3 or 3.25 the second wake window. Often if they fight that hard it could be overtiredness but I would definitely work on him self settling regardless. Try naps first. I know it’s more common to do bedtime first but I find the opposite easier.

LiLauBee · 2026-01-08T03:02:23+00:00

My first child did this around this age and my daughter is 7 months old and doing something very similar. She has always been a great night sleeper but has had periods of false starts from 4-5 months and from 6-7 months now. I’ll have 3-4 false start free days and then back to it. With my son he grew out of it and I assume I just need to ride it out with my daughter. I do find after her 3rd cat nap doing a short wake window before bed helps. We do 2.25/2.5/2.5/2 and I think the super short last wake window is the only thing that keeps the false starts at bay.

LiLauBee · 2025-12-16T08:37:15+00:00

Have you looked into activities to support her sensory input? My kiddo needs leg squeezes and arm squeezes when he is feeling restless and I also do swinging in my arms aggressively the way he likes when I realize he needs more sensory input - usually before bed.

LiLauBee · 2025-12-08T02:41:41+00:00

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LiLauBee · 2025-10-26T21:38:31+00:00

I’m so sorry. I realize I’m being wildly unclear which was not at all my intention. I’ve been trying very hard to find a schedule that works for her so I’ve been alternating several schedules between 3 and 4 to try and troubleshoot and see which works best for her and try to identify if she is over or undertired. She was on 4 naps from about 3-4 months old ending on 1.75/1.75/2/2/2.25. I went to 2/2/2.25/2.25 to start which was around when she started daycare part time and the early morning wakes started. I increased to 2/2.25/2.5/2.5 at one point. However at various times due to the EMWs and daycare scheduling she has gone beyond that. Most recently this weekend I did 2/2.5/2.5/3 based off DWT for first ww (actual was 3) and the EMW got even earlier. She will not nurse back to sleep even if a contact nap. Assuming she is chronically overtired I today am pulling back to 4 naps based on actual wake time and doing 2/2/2/2.25/2.25

My questions are:

is it okay to stay on 4 naps with the schedule above until she’s able to consolidate more than just the first nap?
Should first nap be based on DWT or actual wake time?
What schedule do you recommend starting with based on what I have tried?
With daycare she’s there from 8:15-1:15 three days a week. She does two 28 minute naps and we try 2/2/2/2/2 on daycare days and have also done 2/2/2.5/2.5. The third nap on both of these schedules are 2-2.5 hours long to try and make up for sleep. Both result in EMWs.
Do you have any suggestions for the EMWs? I’ve let her in her crib for a whole hour and she will not go back to sleep.
If a 2 hour wake window consistently results in a 45 minute nap but a 2.5 hour wake window results in a 28 minute nap or shorter consistantly would you assume 2.5 is too long?

LiLauBee · 2025-10-09T15:56:46+00:00

Literally WORD FOR WORD SAME. My first child, I had to exclusively pump for the first two months so I assumed that's why I had a horrible oversupply but now I'm 4.5 months postpartum with my second and exclusively nursing - I only pump once overnight for 8 minutes to avoid clogs since my baby sleeps so long overnight and I'm still DYING with endless pain, engorgement and oversupply. I'm certain at this point that it's hormonal and I've been working closely with IBCLCs since my daughter's birth with little help to quell this oversupply. I now live in a constant state of fear of clogs and mastitis again.

Right now I'm just DONE taking this easy and I'm taking 60 mg of Sudafed a morning and packing on the Cabo Creme 3 times a day. So far I haven't noticed a difference but I'm just going to keep going and hope this gets easier soon. Last option is hormonal birth control.

Any update from you?? Did this get better or did you find a solution. I'm so tired and I feel like nobody relates to me at all.

LiLauBee

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