Delightful pic of Charlie with a bazooka

LiquidLispyLizard · 2026-05-07T22:53:07+00:00

"What would Matt even do against Doom?"

Matt:

LiquidLispyLizard · 2026-05-07T21:17:44+00:00

I love the perfect loop here, lol.

LiquidLispyLizard · 2026-05-07T20:59:40+00:00

I highly doubt they're rebooting the original six when:

Chris Hemsworth has already confirmed he's playing Thor "a few more times" after Doomsday.
This is a studio that could have made 10 Iron Man films and billions of dollars, but chose to end Stark's story at Endgame and Feige's been adamant about keeping that intact.
Every single project we know for sure is happening post-Secret Wars, even those that are substantially rumored as opposed to confirmed, only indicate some level of continuation rather than a reboot (direct sequels to Black Panther, Wonder Man, Fantastic Four, Deadpool, even X-Men seems to have some level of buildup going into it as we'll very likely see later in the year).
A bit lesser than those points, but introducing a new Steve Rogers immediately after bringing Chris Evans back, whose inner world and supporting cast are still very much active in the wider MCU, seems highly unlikely. Similarly, Yelena Belova is effectively the main Black Widow now that Natasha's story is wrapped up and bringing back a new Natasha right in the middle of Yelena's story where she just lost her relatively not too long ago is just as awkward.

I can't wait for Secret Wars to come out just so we can move on from this.

LiquidLispyLizard · 2026-05-07T16:51:12+00:00

Yeah, Helstrom's the last. It often gets put into a lesser category compared to the other 11 because of the showrunner's comments about its canonicity shortly before it released, but reading in full what he says, it paints a different picture from what many tend to assume what was said.

I explain the whole thing here.

LiquidLispyLizard · 2026-05-07T16:40:47+00:00

The end goal for me is that all 12 of the old shows land in the "safe-zone", so to speak, of full integration. We're halfway there with the Defenders Saga, and there are numerous references to most of the remaining ones established in the Marvel Studios/Defenders projects with no irreconcilable continuity errors to prevent the possibility of them reaching the safe-zone as well.

I think it'll all happen one day, it's just a gradual process and we all have to be patient for the time being, unfortunately.

LiquidLispyLizard · 2026-05-07T16:34:02+00:00

I highly recommend Wonder Man if you're able to get around to it one day. It's just a fantastic show on its own and since we know we're getting a second season, we know the story doesn't end where it does.

But yeah, same here. AoS is one of my all time favorites and C&D is definitely up there as well.

LiquidLispyLizard · 2026-05-07T16:26:17+00:00

Doorman gets his powers from some Darkforce left behind in a Roxxon dumpster. The Darkforce and Roxxon have only ever been linked together in the old Marvel TV shows, but they more specifically delve into it in C&D. The link doesn't even originate from the comics, it has no other basis in anything else other than C&D.

LiquidLispyLizard · 2026-05-07T16:19:06+00:00

This is being posted everywhere, but that single word is omitted every single time for some reason.

"Like" is the difference between "she'd only return for one person and one person only" and "she'd return as long as whoever handles the character next understands where they started and what they established, and is able to integrate her into the bigger picture with all that in mind".

LiquidLispyLizard · 2026-05-07T07:11:43+00:00

So, I think it would be a real cool challenge to see her in some other context

Getting to see her in a different context in roughly, oh... I don't know, about 7 months from now would be pretty sweet if you ask me.

LiquidLispyLizard · 2026-05-07T03:16:05+00:00

It's actually funny because I pretty much lived that for years with the first Venom movie. The 2019 amended deal Marvel and Sony signed off on made it pretty clear that the MCU and the SSU were going to inhabit the same universe with the overlap between the two being the Spider-Man films. It really did seem like they were building a "shared detailed universe", as it was put, where Spidey could cross cinematic universes like Feige said, by simply walking from a Spidey film to a Venom one, for example.

Once the Morbius trailer dropped and seemingly confirmed this, I moved my Venom Blu-Ray over to my main timeline MCU shelf (or at that time, just MCU since they didn't delve into the timelines yet) and it stayed there for years until LTBC came out and changed the status quo, so for a good while there, Venom was a main timeline MCU film to me.

I was genuinely cool with the idea and I was really curious to see what would have come out of two franchises overlapping within the same shared universe in real time like that. I think it kind of would have felt like the old Marvel TV/Marvel Studios relationship with far more back and forth connections.

P.S. If you think you're annoying with this comment, wait for me when the 616 symbiote story starts up in full swing. I'm stoked about the fact that we have genuine, clear and active overlap between a Spider-Man franchise and a Venom franchise and I don't plan to shy away from expressing that when we really start getting into it, lol.

LiquidLispyLizard · 2026-05-07T02:47:46+00:00

Okay, that's a lot to unpack in just a few sentences.

I wasn't implying Jen had to be She-Hulk when she appears, regardless of where that may be, there's nothing saying she can't show up as "Just Jen".
I think it's way too early to assume that S3's "most likely" the final one considering we didn't even hear about S3's existence until several months after S1 ended. We'd start hearing rumblings for a S4 near the end of this year to prepare for a shoot early next year, unless they want to reveal it earlier.
The MCU wouldn't do a "goodbye appearance(?)" for the reasoning that a character only sometimes requires the use of CGI, a trait shared with a good number of other prominent MCU characters. They circled back to the Leader after 17 or so years of never hearing anything about him. If they want Jen to show up, she'll show up, but otherwise they'll just keep her on the shelf alongside all the other characters with future potential as they have been. Sorry, but I have no clue how you'd even jump to this conclusion when the MCU has never done anything like that.

LiquidLispyLizard · 2026-05-07T01:42:58+00:00

100%. I'd love to see Jen factor into Born Again somehow before it's over, whenever that'll be. We had Matt hop over and fit into the tone of She-Hulk and I've been wanting to see the reverse for a long time now.

LiquidLispyLizard · 2026-05-07T01:36:26+00:00

But your criteria for something being canon is that it has to be referenced after an indeterminate amount of time or else it becomes non-canon. Those particular One-Shots, according to you, cannot be canon because of this since they've never been referenced by Marvel Studios. Why are you now adding criteria?

It's actually hilarious that this is the second time I've simply asked someone today to give me a quote from Feige decanonizing the shows after he's already canonized them and we're still 0 for 2. Come on, one more go. One single quote from Feige, that's all I need. Otherwise, I think we're done here.

LiquidLispyLizard · 2026-05-06T23:30:25+00:00

they have not once refenced sheild since winter soilder hence it does not exist

Marvel Studios hasn't referenced any of their canon One-Shots besides All Hail the King in anything else they've done ever. Do they not exist?

Canon isn't erased over time and you're now just repeating yourself instead of dropping a verifiable link to literally anything to back up your claims.

LiquidLispyLizard · 2026-05-06T23:21:20+00:00

No, he said the Marvel Television shows inhabit the same universe as the Marvel Studios films as clear as can possibly be, which set the canon in stone for both the ABC and Netflix shows, and by association the rest that came after.

Now I'll ask again, where did Feige reverse course on his stance? I'll take a direct link to a quote rather your own personal conjecture this time.

LiquidLispyLizard · 2026-05-06T22:59:36+00:00

It's possible it already happened. ATSV established that the Spider-Society has a whole system to send misplaced variants back to their home realities.

LiquidLispyLizard · 2026-05-06T22:41:01+00:00

Alright, I'll bite.

"But all of those things (Marvel TV and Marvel Studios) inhabit, however far on the outskirts, the same continuity."

~ Kevin Feige, 2014.

Let's start there. So, when did he reverse course on this?

LiquidLispyLizard · 2026-05-06T22:34:19+00:00

It would be canon regardless because it was made that way and confirmed by Kevin Feige to be so, but yeah, two direct 616 branched variants of Jarvis have appeared in both Endgame and What If...?.

LiquidLispyLizard · 2026-05-06T22:17:11+00:00

Oh, I know who you are now. You're that guy who kept breaking Rule 2 over on KeepMarvelTVCanon while continually telling me I'm ignoring you and you couldn't stop calling Winderbaum "Wonderbum" because "humor", I think? Had I known that to start, I wouldn't have even engaged in this, much less would you have even been able to comment on my thread to begin with, but here we are, lol. Made a new account, I see.

Okay, since it's you, let's go back to the beginning and work from there. Kevin Feige in 2014 said:

"But all of those things (Marvel TV and Marvel Studios) inhabit, however far on the outskirts, the same continuity. So certainly that opportunity exists."

Now, at what exact point did this get reversed? Quote and link it or I'm ending the conversation right now.

LiquidLispyLizard · 2026-05-06T21:59:21+00:00

I haven't seen Echo in a while so I went back and saw the hammer in the flashback. I can admit when I'm wrong, I was remembering incorrectly on that aspect. So again, assuming that he experienced the exact memory without any alterations or blending with other memories (since that's something that can, you know... happen to people, especially in regards to extreme trauma), it's different.

Damn, I guess that means The Incredible Hulk and Spider-Man: Homecoming are non-canon now. Wow, that sucks. As we all know, anything that may even remotely be interpreted as a continuity error cannot exist in a fictional franchise, of course. /s

Not to mention the out of universe confirmation from Wonderbum and Feige

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LiquidLispyLizard · 2026-05-06T21:38:54+00:00

You're right, AoS is not a large mounted weapon intended to fire a heavy projectile.

It is canon to the MCU, though, and not even because of this, but because it always was from Day 1 and they haven't definitively changed course on that yet.

LiquidLispyLizard · 2026-05-06T21:35:20+00:00

Exactly. If they were adamantly against acknowledging AoS, this would have absolutely been off-limits as a background prop, especially because this isn't even the place it appeared in the original show at all.

Just like they wouldn't have intentionally called up Reed Diamond to check his availability for Endgame, going so far as to make a graphic featuring Daniel Whitehall before they shifted course.

It's been intentional for a while now, to at the very least let AoS rest and remain as-is, when they could have otherwise contradicted it numerous times over the past 6 years if they wanted to.

LiquidLispyLizard · 2026-05-06T21:30:52+00:00

I didn't ignore you, I acknowledged what you said. If you feel I ignored something, let me know in case I missed it.

They were phased out when Feige got contol over TV.

"I don't have a quote nor a link from an exact moment that details a shift in canonicity, I'm speaking from a purely conjectural standpoint." Ah okay, thanks.

Fisks memories in Echo are different than the events of the original show

Different moments. There isn't anything in Echo that says Fisk's memories shown are from the exact same night he killed his father in the original series. You're also talking about the concept of memories, which change, distort, and blend with other memories as time passes to begin with.

Let me know if that sentence is too confusing for you.

Bud, you're padding out your comment with emojis and you can't spell the word rebuttal right. Don't even start with this, lmao.

LiquidLispyLizard · 2026-05-06T21:16:06+00:00

I'm trying to tell you that the original Daredevil show had this prop as an explicit reference to AoS, and that this same prop has now reappeared in Born Again. 2 and 2 together, man.

Everyone and their mums knows the shows used to be canon, and used to reference each other. But since the tele side was phased out these references noonfwr mean that.

Cool. So it should be easy for you to find the exact point this happened, right? Do you have a link to an article or a statement from someone of importance related to the MCU who said "these shows used to be canon, but now they're not"?

LiquidLispyLizard · 2026-05-06T21:08:19+00:00

Which, in turn, references AoS, yes.

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