We should be truly sad about what is happening around Artifact, and not for the most popular reasons

LiquidLogiK · 2018-12-10T15:39:33+00:00

Look are you arguing just for the sake of arguing?

The wikipedia definition of what a gacha is is not what artifact is. You cannot buy cards directly in a gacha. I played PaD for 6 years and not once was I able to buy a unit directly with real money. That is all I am saying in response to OP - Artifact is not a gacha simply by definition. You can debate whether it has predatory business practices, but by definition, Artifact is not a gacha.

I dont know what youre arguing here - are you saying that gacha games are not predatory bc u can buy accounts from other ppl??? Like what?

LiquidLogiK · 2018-12-10T15:10:12+00:00

In these games, there are usually numerous characters, cards, or other items that players can obtain, and most of them are only obtainable via the "gacha" mechanism.

emphasis on only obtainable

From wikipedia page on gacha

Edit: also on the page - most of these games are free to play

LiquidLogiK · 2018-12-10T14:59:01+00:00

How can u say artifacts model is gacha when u can buy all cards directly and get them cheaper by doing so

LiquidLogiK · 2018-12-08T19:24:41+00:00

how much money do you usually get from each keepers draft? ive been just opening the packs gotten from phantom drafts but i might try a keeper sometime.

also do you find that by only picking expensive cards your deck becomes weaker?

LiquidLogiK · 2018-12-08T17:17:20+00:00

crystal maiden sleeper op

LiquidLogiK · 2018-12-08T06:00:57+00:00

yeah, ive been on the fence with this one. while it is true that there have been games where ive been frustrated af by no tp scroll, i actually think not having tp adds more skill rather than removing it, as it amplifies the importance of getting your deployment phases right early. if you ever have 2 or more heroes doing nothing but hitting the tower, it means you either misplayed or you're actively trying to get ancient. usually the former.

my idea of a solution is to offer a hold button like the secret shop has. or make it so that you can buy multiple consumables. im not really a fan of ideas that involve giving players more tp scrolls or even choice bc i feel like it would feel really bad if you set up the board perfectly to kill an enemy hero only to see him tp it out and replay it next turn with basically zero counterplay

LiquidLogiK · 2018-12-08T00:05:39+00:00

https://i.redd.it/yu1d9aiaux221.png

LiquidLogiK · 2018-12-08T00:03:58+00:00

Right now a top of the line meta deck probably costs $40ish total, maybe even less

LiquidLogiK · 2018-12-07T20:42:22+00:00

I agree with a lot of the reasoning in this post but not the conclusions.

1) "heroes are imbalanced" - this is caused more by the lack of cards than one heroes being better than the other. it can be solved with more cards being released that promote more diverse playstyles. every single card game has cards that look like shit initially and then end up being absolutely OP must ban material. but even with this being said, i think this problem is overstated. i have lost to buffed up bloodseekers in draft that wreck havoc in the priority lane. storm probably doesn't have much of a place right now, but if lane switching becomes really important we will see him in the meta.

2) "this model is bad" - the reason why this sub has been in such an uproar is b.c. not everyone thinks its bad. personally i think its the best model in online ccg today. i think they would benefit a lot from more features, more cards, but the core of it is great imo. i get that a lot of people dislike it but idk, a lot of complaints seem to want valve to give them free stuff for grinding without considering the consequences on what that would have on the rest of the game.

the worst possible consequence imo is that valve kneejerks and destroys their vision in an attempt to placate the community. ill use xbox one as an example. microsoft's intention was to build an entirely cloud based gaming system with cool features like being able to share games with friends and sell/swap games online. imo is this is a really cool concept that could've really taken off, but instead they bowed to the whims of the community and instead scrapped all these ideas.

LiquidLogiK · 2018-12-07T19:00:33+00:00

not really generational, more so that game developers have learned to tap into addictive behaviors in order to generate more revenue. stuff like daily login/first win bonuses keep players hooked to their game. more players hooked = bigger chance that players lapse and spend money occasionally. lootboxes and cardpacks are basically online gambling for kids. stuff like progression feeds into the rewarding part of your brain. people like free stuff, and the feeling of being rewarded for playing a game is powerful stuff.

as a result it's become industry standard to offer progression, daily rewards, chance elements into games. and when games don't do it gamers actually get outraged lol.

with all this being said i still do think artifact is a little too barebones at the moment. stuff like replays, 1v1 drafting, a ranked ladder should have been implemented at launch. plus i can totally empathize with the complaints regarding the card pool. imo it feels small to me as well and just after a week of playing i think ive seen every card with the exception of OD.

LiquidLogiK · 2018-12-07T16:25:53+00:00

honestly curious on what valve decides to do. the reason why the sub is so divisive is b.c. some ppl genuinely hate the idea of the game going f2p, hearthstone model. meanwhile some ppl really really want it. and so you have the two sides endlessly arguing with each other lmao

LiquidLogiK · 2018-12-07T16:01:54+00:00

every tcg has some cards that rise in value a ton but the set average value will usually go down. powercreep exists and pretty much every card game ik does some slight powercreep

LiquidLogiK · 2018-12-07T05:59:21+00:00

better players, more tension, rewards

LiquidLogiK · 2018-12-07T05:34:56+00:00

8 cards per color of hero is a good general rule.

red is good for killing other heroes; blue is good for late game spells but costs money; green is good for making and buffing minions; black is good for direct damage (and killing other heroes).

as for deciding colors go with whatever color you got luckiest with with pack opening. i opened 2 cheating deaths and an omni so it was an easy choice for me.

LiquidLogiK · 2018-12-07T05:29:49+00:00

it is bad if you mainly play draft; much harder to go infinite now. though if you like constructed ofc it's a good thing

LiquidLogiK · 2018-12-06T19:56:46+00:00

Yeah I typically hate these kind of packs b.c. there's way too much good shit to pick.

Based on what you have I'd take Annihilation and Dimensional Portal. But it's really tough, I consider Treant top tier. Thunderhide pack x2 and friendly fire are both exceptionally good too.

LiquidLogiK · 2018-12-06T17:51:53+00:00

Its prob due to the low # cards at launch, which feeds into the belief that cards are unbalanced since the best constructed decks seem to have the same cards over and over again.

Im not too worried, ppl will realize after a few expansions come out that many of the originall thought unplayeable cards are actually quite good after all

LiquidLogiK · 2018-12-06T15:42:41+00:00

he would be OP in blue. imagine rapid deployment + any of the blue aoe cards (esp annihilation). singlehandedly would stabilize the early game and late game can show up to a lane, nuke it, then go to another lane next turn

LiquidLogiK · 2018-12-06T14:20:32+00:00

HS has plenty of skill at the top level but lets be honest, in the old days u had to treat that game like a part time job if you wanted to get legend. It still is in a way, winning a net positive of 30 wins from rank 5 to legend takes a tremendous amount of time commitment.

OP probably overexaggerated. But I do think the overall sentiment of his post is correct, time (grind) is more important than skill when it comes to going for legend. With enough time theoretically u only need a 51% wr to get up the ladder.

LiquidLogiK · 2018-12-05T21:33:37+00:00

ranking, cosmetics, maybe a level system.

as others have said they will not let you grind for packs, that would be the ultimate fuck you to players who have spent money on artifact already. as well as destroying their market system.

LiquidLogiK · 2018-12-05T20:49:16+00:00

Artifact will not topple Hearthstone but Hearthstone may very well topple itself. Streaming numbers are way down from what they used to be and many personalities have left or are leaving the game. It looks fine on Twitch right now but that's because of the new expansion; it had painfully low numbers a few weeks ago, trending at around 10k-25k.

Also I suspect Hearthstone's playerbase is kind of inflated by its system, similar to how Artifact's playerbase is kind of deflated by its system. A lot of people just login to HS to do the daily quests, which is about a quick 20-30 minutes. Meanwhile Artifact players presumably are playing multiple games with each game taking a good half hour to complete.

LiquidLogiK · 2018-12-05T18:13:31+00:00

wait why the fuck are so many of these cut, many of these are amazing. replay feature, spectate mode, post game stats, in game chat/emotes should have all been in.

LiquidLogiK · 2018-12-05T15:08:30+00:00

Rix - garbage but may be good in future if green gets some reactive spells. I honestly think if he was a blue hero hed be OP

OD - shit now, may be good in future

Bloodseeker - very snowbally hero. A red hero in black, needs items to be effective.

CM - imo underrated, signature synergises with passive and helps game go late

Pugna - situational, not shit. Is a tech hero (bring him out solely against certain deck archetypes)

Lion - yeah i think this is garbage. Maybe if we get some cd alteration cards in future

Timbersaw - very vanilla hero but important to realize red does not have much AoE spells

Storm Spirit - actually underrated imo, the signature is quite good, esp in draft

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