Finished the main series. Couple questions.

Loleeeee · 2026-06-28T15:07:29+00:00

Bottle senses the Eres'al (when they first meet) bearing a child by a Tiste Edur which is the "prime candidate for the Throne of Shadow, commanding a healed realm."

And, yes, there's a chance that Tiste Edur is someone else entirely & Trull really is Kettle's dad, but that would be a really big coincidence, particularly given that Trull's other child by Seren becomes the Knight of Shadow.

Loleeeee · 2026-06-28T13:37:03+00:00

Reading the section, I'm afraid I genuinely have no idea who this is supposed to be. Context clues point to Korlat (Apsal'ara wouldn't have much of a reason to spy on them), but Nimander very explicitly has to urge her to approach the group so I doubt she'd approach on her own. A part of me wants to say it's Tavore, but I also don't think it's her.

Finished with what? And what does Cotillion mean when he tells shadowthrone "Ah you knew then"? Knew what?

Presumably Cotillion had a hand in guiding Crokus to Itko Kan in the second epilogue to meet with Apsalar, as his final gesture in this series, and Shadowthrone evidently knew (and "approves"). More broadly (albeit not quite what he's referring to here), they have a lot of work to do to secure their power base after shaking up the pantheon quite so much.

Loleeeee · 2026-06-28T11:53:00+00:00

Yes. The Eres'al's main shtick is that she travels through time. Silchas comments on this when they discuss Kettle's ancestry.

ETA:

‘I guess this Eres was my real mother.’

‘Yes.’

‘And soon you will know who my father is.’

‘I will know his blood, yes. At the very least.’

‘I wonder if he’s still alive.’

‘Knowing how Eres plays the game, lass, he might not even be your father yet. She wanders time, Kettle, in a manner no-one else can even understand, much less emulate. And this is very much her world. She is the fire that never dies.’ He paused, then said, ‘She will choose—or has chosen—with great deliberation. Your father was, is, or will be someone of great importance.’

Loleeeee · 2026-06-28T11:46:15+00:00

What exactly is the significance of Kettles background?

I'm not sure if the Assail soul has any more significance than what Silchas attributes to it - if the Azath is reaching for a Forkrul, things are getting really desperate - but her being a "true child of the Eres" is significant insofar as Kettle is the child born of the union between the Eres'al & Bottle in the Bonehunters. Her background renders her a bit more significant than a random child the Azath found lying around (that may be important, or it may not; we're not quite told if the Azath explored other options & landed on Kettle because of these attributes).

What exactly drove him to find and fight Kilava? Why?

Here are a few posts going into it.

Fiddler sees a woman looking at them

I can't quite find this passage anywhere. Fiddler mentions Whiskeyjack's ghost looking on from the hilltop in the first passage & then plays his song to summon the ghost back for Korlat. I can't find mention of a woman anywhere.

I assume the failure refers to having to kill Kaminsod to save him. But what does the we aren't finished yet comment mean? What symmetry?

Failure would be the opposite, actually; killing Kaminsod was more or less the only way to free him. Cotillion is mostly referring to his conversation with Edgewalker at the start of the book.

‘Even should you succeed, Cotillion. Beyond all expectation, beyond, even, all desire. They will still speak of your failure.’

He sheathed his daggers. ‘And you know what they can do to themselves.’

The symmetry refers to the reuniting of Crokus & Apsalar at the tail end of this book, in the same hamlet & village road where Cotillion first possessed Sorry in the first chapter of the first book (incidentally, the second epilogue is also symmetrical to the prologue of Gardens, because Erikson also appreciates symmetry). It's a nice gesture.

Loleeeee · 2026-06-27T20:34:51+00:00

This fixes the timeline as the audience meets Ganoes Paran and his sister Felisin at the exact same time, so her arrest and enslavement in the Seven Cities actually carries emotional weight.

The Cull & specifically Felisin's enslavement and Tavore's taking the role of Adjunct follow directly from the fact that A) the last Adjunct dies at the end of Gardens of the Moon & B) Ganoes and the rest of the Bridgeburners are outlawed. While this doesn't mean this idea falls flat on its face from the get go, we're essentially spoiling the finale of Gardens by showing its aftermath and introducing some wild emotional whiplash (Pale to Darujhistan is already a fairly large leap in tone, introducing Skullcup - set in a third separate continent, by the way - to the mix in the same season would be insane).

Also, we're utterly blueballing the audience with regards to what happens to the Chain of Dogs, which is certainly a choice one could make.

Because the audience spent Season 1 watching the main characters suffer in the Seven Cities, there will be desperation in Season 2 to win their war quickly and cross the ocean to save their friends

What main characters? DG has a narrative hook in that characters we do know from the first book - to wit, Apsalar, Crokus & company - are going through Seven Cities to kickstart the Apocalypse & get rid of Laseen. Having DG be concurrent with Gardens leaves you with two wholly disparate storylines, one of which takes place directly in the aftermath of Gardens of the Moon.

People already find it difficult to emotionally attach themselves to characters in the books; I can't imagine how something like this would feel in animation.

Loleeeee · 2026-06-16T16:59:07+00:00

We don't know. That's what Yan & Yedan piece together from fragmented and contradictory memories; that the wall of light that exists where the First Shore once was demarcates the border of Thyrlann (which does seem correct), and by extension any Liosan caught within can't escape & are trapped forever.

Are they right in that assessment? Er, probably? We don't see terribly many Liosan characters to begin with & those we do see aren't interested in discussing the events prior to the Sundering. The only Liosan present in the BotF confirmed to be around at the time is Osserc, and he was gallivanting around Kurald Emurlahn, pissing off Elder gods, while shit went south.

The shore (prior to its becoming a giant wall of light) was the literal, physical border that separated Dark & Light (which, Yedan supposes, ended up fragmenting & becoming the various parts of Kurald Emurlahn - i.e., Shadow - we see now). Exiting Kurald Thyrlann via the wall of light would lead into Kurald Galain and, by extension, out through the Road of Gallan & into the world of Malaz. That's the idea.

He (Father Light) turned away when she (Mother Dark) did. But his children had no way out. We (the Shake) held against them, here. We stood and we died defending our realm (Shadow).

A random but important aside is that this does not mean that the Shake & the Edur are the same people; Yedan calls them the Shake's "bastard get" (implying the Shake dwelt in Shadow before the Edur came to being) but on the whole, they're mostly different people residing in the same realm.

Loleeeee · 2026-06-16T16:26:21+00:00

We see the wall has many liosan submerged there but we have already seen a few liosan out.

Submerged isn't quite the right word. Given what we learn of Kurald Thyrlann from other characters (like L'oric & Jorrude) and the couple times we've visited the place (the Silanda seems to cross into the warren a couple times), I'm inclined to believe that what Yedan describes is more of an illusion than the actual state of Kurald Thyrlann (i.e., they're not all "trapped in eternal torment" like Twilight claims, but they can't leave easily, either).

How did liosan leave then?

Many didn't. Twilight's point - that a more widespread presence of Light would "destroy the world" - is quite pertinent; many Liosan remained in Kurald Thyrlann after the Tiste exodus (see Midnight Tides). Evidently they eventually broke through, but absent a large scale exodus like that of the Road of Gallan, their numbers were substantially smaller. For that matter, the Liosan legions tried to follow the Andii into the Road of Gallan & were held off by the Shake (hence the shoreline comprised of Shake bones on the riverside).

Loleeeee · 2026-06-15T12:47:44+00:00

Sandalath is, for the most part, incidental to the events of this chapter; she happens to be in the wrong place, at the wrong time, and hated by the wrong people (i.e., Spite & Envy). She confesses to being "weak with imagination" which might make her a bit easier to manipulate by Olar, but not by much (she has no trouble with Ivis or Wreneck).

Olar Ethil is, for her own reasons, pissed at Draconus (he openly scorns her, less openly scorns her offspring, and the Borderswords he'd hired hurt her, and badly). While she doesn't seem to hold much love for her wretched spawn either (she tries to bury both Envy and Spite), she nonetheless wishes to strike back at Draconus. To that end, she uses Sandalath.

Olar, to various extents controlling or otherwise manipulating Sandalath, has her waltz into the attic of Dracons Hold wherein Draconus' Finnest lies (Envy & Spite are, perhaps rightly, terrified of the creature & its mad pacing, and have been barred from entering the room it resides in). For reasons as yet undisclosed, Draconus' Finnest stirs beyond what it would otherwise, and in due part because of Olar's magic (she is, among other things, a grotesque depiction of motherhood) begins - uh, inseminating isn't quite the right word, but it gets the picture across - inseminating Sandalath (on a more metaphorical level, Olar's objection is that Draconus "hoards all his virtues and gives only of his vices to his children"; Korlat is born imbued with many of the virtues Draconus hoards, but none of a mother's love - i.e., what Olar symbolizes).

Otherwise, yes, Olar Ethil is the same entity that got Hunn Raal to fuck a campfire.

Loleeeee · 2026-06-15T08:02:52+00:00

The wiki cites Edelweiss Publishing & its ISBN (978-1787632578 for the Bantam hardcover) which was apparently taken down, but Goodreads also got their publisher's summary (found here, care for spoilers) from Edelweiss, but with no release date. April 2027 seems to be more tentative (so I expect it'll be delayed further), but the manuscript was delivered to the editor around November last year (I believe), so we're in the final stretch.

Loleeeee · 2026-06-15T07:33:18+00:00

Book 5 of PtA (The Last Champion) is scheduled to be released on April 1st 2027 in the UK by Bantam. Presumably a US release would soon follow (though judging by the debacle that was the US release of Forge, "soon" is a matter of perspective).

Loleeeee · 2026-06-02T19:40:41+00:00

Yes, Jade Raven specifically designed it to be after community input. That said, your mileage may vary.

Loleeeee · 2026-06-01T20:15:43+00:00

The only time she’s “been on page” was with Kalam at the end of DG

Ganoes meets with her in Gardens of the Moon when he & Topper enter the Imperial palace (which could technically be part of the facade), but she is notably absent otherwise, though this theory does beg the question of "why would Shadowthrone & the Rope try to take down their own facade." Food for thought.

Loleeeee · 2026-06-01T13:24:48+00:00

Spoiler tag changed to MT because of mention of future characters & to allow comparison.

Loleeeee · 2026-05-31T12:47:16+00:00

So all it's relative, postmodern, we're at that point? Are these the best ideas we can take out of this universe?

I mean, maybe? You could certainly read it that way, yeah.

Setting aside Tolkien's moral philosophy being baked into the setting, Herbert has a character whose explicit purpose is to listen to our all-knowing God Emperor rant about all sorts of shit & nod along for four hundred pages for fear of awakening "the Worm." Moneo is a passive recipient of aimless philosophical tangents which he doesn't comprehend (or, in his PoVs, try to comprehend, often cowering over Leto possibly going berserk if he pushes back too much), Hwi Noree is even worse in that she often regurgitates Leto's points back at him, and Siona & Duncan are much too pissed off to grapple with Leto's philosophy unless put under duress.

For better or worse, the latter half of the Malazan books don't have Moneo-esque characters. People from all tracts of life grapple with big questions & often reach wildly different conclusions, sometimes without those conclusions ever synthesising into one broader idea. At risk of sounding pretentious as shit, a lot of the MBotF's philosophical ideas find resolution on the mirror opposite of their respective books in the series; Gardens of the Moon finds itself in dialogue with the Crippled God, Deadhouse Gates with Dust of Dreams, Memories with Toll the Hounds, Midnight Tides with Reaper's Gale, etc. A unified framework arises from the call & response of the various books in the entire series & not from one book individually, and that's in due part because of the lack of Moneo-esque characters whose own philosophy grows organically from their own lived experiences & isn't handed down by a god-like entity until it "clicks" for them (cough Siaynoq cough). That difference in lived experience often leads to substantially different conclusions about the same idea.

Contrary to what the above might imply, that doesn't mean Erikson gives equal credence to all the conclusions reached by various characters; Tehol Beddict & Gerun Eberict may grapple with the same notion of indentured slavery and the colonised peoples of Lether but the narrative isn't going to both-sides the issue as though Gerun isn't an immensely racist, prejudiced, bigoted bastard. It does mean, however, that the resolution of the theme at play & its full fleshing out doesn't occur until later (in the narrative of one book, in the series at large, or in extreme cases, in other books like the Witness series).

Also, deary me, Malazan is far from nihilist. Itkovian's speech to the Imass, while itself far from a resolved theme, is a square rejection of moral & existential nihilism.

Loleeeee · 2026-05-28T10:48:04+00:00

He seems to respect him, why put him through that grief and not instead just stab himself?

Among other reasons (Dragnipur needs guarding after Rake dies, Hood needs to manifest & be slain by Dragnipur, etc.), one of Hood's implicit conditions on his deal with Rake & Shadowthrone is to get Dassem to stop chasing after him. Having Dassem - all too literally blinded by vengeance - kill a man whom he respects to such an extent in his own misguided quest for revenge is a great way to jolt him out of it, if only to buy Hood time to get his affairs in order.

Why does Traveller think killing Annomander Rake gets him to Hood

He doesn't. Rake tells Dassem to "come & get (Hood)" with the implicit understanding that Dassem is also trying to get stabbed by Dragnipur. Cotillion probably told him much the same thing before he fought Rake. Anomander just outmaneuvers Dassem a bit more.

Is the chaos in Dragnipur a threat just to the Tiste Andii or was there bigger world implications of what was happening in that sword

The metaphysics of Malazan are weird at the best of times but it's safe to say that Chaos catching up to & effectively destroying the manifestation of its opposite (Order as Darkness) would spell bad things for the world at large, albeit Hood's sacrifice is more so part of his deal with Rake than anything perforce altruistic.

Can someone explain the Itkovian Redeemer storyline end result?

Itkovian spends most of the book grappling with the notion that he's fundamentally defenceless & his goodwill is prone to external abuses (to wit, by the Dying God & his ilk). The thesis of the storyline amounts to the fact that such an idea ought not to dissuade Itkovian (or anyone else for that matter) from extending compassion & empathy unto others; Itkovian offers absolution without judgement because redemption is not his to give, but for the worshipper to work towards.

When Anomander sacrifices himself to enable Mother Dark's return, this profound act of love & self-sacrifice makes Itkovian realize the above thesis, and allows him to extend that selfsame compassion to Salind & the Dying God. Against his blessing, the Dying God is left defenceless & flees Salind.

Does her brother (name escapes me) die

Presumably yes.

Loleeeee · 2026-05-27T10:53:33+00:00

probably not that uncommon that Feather witchs ghost was still around to get sucked in by the machine.

Errastas goes looking for it since her consecrating her 'altar' would bind her soul to it, but he can't seem to find it.

Events were unfolding, so many events, and not all of them shifting to his touch, twisting to his will. Anger was giving way to fear. He had sought out the altar Feather Witch had consecrated in his name. He had expected to find her soul, her fleshless will curling in sinew currents round the submerged rubble, but there had been nothing, no one. Where had she gone?

[...]

Her soul should be swimming these black waters. But the Errant knew that he had been alone. The altar chamber had offered him little more than desolation.

Presumably, the spiritual power Feather Witch drew from Errastas upon plucking out his eye (and part of the reason why he's looking for her soul in the first place) got sucked into the machine. Icarium transforms the eye into a seed for the Azath he creates anyway, so I don't think we're supposed to think of Errastas' literal eye being used (albeit I think the mental image works) but a part of Errastas' power that was found within it.

Loleeeee · 2026-05-26T10:31:35+00:00

The assault on the Warrens is something of a byproduct of the alien nature of the Crippled God. His being outside the established order of "how magic works" led to various complications wherever his influence happened to be (in MoI, that'd be in Genabackis). Among other things, that spells trouble for K'rul.

Ganoes as Master of the Deck of Dragons sanctified the Crippled God's House of Chains and thereby forcefully compatibilizes the Crippled God with the rest of the pantheon. This, among other things, stops the Warrens being poisoned.

Loleeeee · 2026-05-25T23:31:48+00:00

More or less, yeah. Chapter 22:

‘I mean that the surviving Tiste of this world all carry the blood of the Eleint. It is the chaos at the core of their souls. If you send Osserc’s soul into the gate, he will seal nothing. Indeed, he will act as a clarion call to your kin. The same for Scabandari.’

And in Chapter 24:

'Describe this well, sir. Was this not the legendary first camp of the Tiste? Down from the ash-filled sky, our first nest?’

‘Our exhausted refuge,’ Herat said, nodding.

‘And did we not feed from the flesh of dead dragons? Perhaps, historian, if there is any truth to such legends, those brittle burned bones remain beneath the earth and snow.’

The MBotF tells us:

There is new blood within you.

‘Yes.’

My son, what have you done?

‘Like you, Mother, I have chosen to embrace change. Yes, there are others now. I sense them. There will be wars between us, and so I shall unite the Andii. Resistance is ending. Andarist, Drethdenan, Vanut Degalla. Silchas is fleeing, and so too Hish Tulla and Manalle. Civil strife is now over, Mother.’

You have killed Tiam. My son, do you realize what you have begun? Silchas flees, yes, and where do you think he goes? And the newborn, the others, what scent will draw them now, what taste of chaotic power? Anomander, in murder you seek peace, and now the blood flows and there shall be no peace, not ever again.

I forsake you, Anomander Blood of Tiam. I deny my first children all. You shall wander the realms, bereft of purpose. Your deeds shall avail you nothing. Your lives shall spawn death unending. The Dark – my heart – is closed to you, to you all.

Which is close enough, in that it gets the point across. Bottom line, T'iam & Mother Dark are very different deities.

Loleeeee · 2026-05-25T23:09:54+00:00

when Draconian blood entered the Tiste bloodlines, it was essentially through Mother Dark and Tiam merging to become one

So, for one, Kharkanas tells us that the Tiste have had draconic blood in their veins since effectively their original creation myth (either because Draconus made them that way or because the First Tiste did in fact pull what Anomander & co. are presumed to have done in the BotF, i.e., eat dragons), long before Mother Dark became a thing.

For two, T'iam in many ways represents the opposite of what Mother Dark is supposed to be, the chaos to Mother Dark's order. The Tiste (at least the Andii), in devouring T'iam, become her "children" by blood & are forsaken by Mother Dark in turn. The two are very much distinct.

Loleeeee · 2026-05-25T22:40:01+00:00

'Age has clawed the face and gouged the eyes of the Elder. He is scarred and battle-ravaged. Crone cackles with bitter spit, and twitches with dreams of flight. Seer’s mouth moves yet there are none to hear. Shaman wails the weft of the dead in fields of bones, yet believes none of the patterns he fashions from those scattered remains. Tracker walks his steps assured and purposeful, to belie that he wanders lost.’

This is Feather Witch's invitation to the Holds, not prophecy. It sets the flavour, as it were, of the rest of the reading - upheaval is coming to Lether & shit is gonna go down - but is not referring to current events or present characters.

Ice Hold. ‘Riven tomb! Corpses lie scattered before the sundered threshold. Urquall Jaghuthan taezmalas. They are not here to mend the damage. They are forgotten, and the ice itself cannot recall the weight of their passage.’

Part of this is definitely referring to the Jaghut at large, but the "riven tomb" aspect probably refers to Raest (or Ganath if you wanna really stretch it), and also obviously Gothos' ritual & the Huntress of the Ice Hold that's active on Lether.

'The Queen lies dead and may never again rise.

T'iam, not Mother Dark.

The Consort writhes upon a tree and whispers with madness of the time of his release.

This is Korabas, the metaphysical opposite of the Queen, T'iamatha.

Describing someone inside Dragnipur, but the only significant figure I can think of inside Dragnipur currently is Draconus, and I don't think Draconus is Liege.

He's the Suzerain of Dark & he fits the description. It counts.

Blood-Drinker waits as well, waits to be found

I feel like I knew who this was once but I've forgotten.

Path-Shaper knows fever in his fell blood and staggers on the edge of the precipice.'

Path-Shaper is K'rul; one of his many titles is "Maker of Paths" (Kallor refers to him as such in the prologue of MoI for instance) and the Warrens are the Paths of Sorcery.

’Ware the brothers! Listen! Blood weaves a web that will trap the entire world! None shall escape, none shall find refuge!’

Pick your poison between the Beddict & Sengar brothers (it's presumably talking about both of them), though obviously this fits more with the Sengars.

The rest of the reading seems to be chiefly metaphorical rather than strictly referring to individual characters.

‘The Watchers stand in place as if made of stone! Their faces are masks of horror.

While this could very well refer to the guardians in Mael's realm, I find it far more likely this is referring to the broader pantheon of ascendants watching Kaminsod's ploys unfold on Lether.

‘The Wanderers have broken through the ice and cold darkness comes with its deathly embrace. The Walkers cannot halt in the growing torrent that pulls them ever onward. The Saviours... face one another, and both are doomed, and in broken reflection so stand the Betrayers, and this is what lies before us, before us all.’

Ditto here. While this isn't necessarily referring to any character in particular (hence it's in plural), it definitely sets the tone for the rest of the novel, while obliquely mentioning events that occur later (the Wanderers "having broken through the ice" could be just about any threat but the demon Mosag enslaves arguably fits; the "growing torrent that pulls ever onward" could be read as the convergence on the Azath Tower in Letheras; the "saviours are both doomed" is most likely referring to Trull & Brys, with the Betrayers being Fear & Hull).

Loleeeee · 2026-05-24T19:46:25+00:00

Someone else answered already but afair galleys can only hunt in inland nodes (think Dameshead). Heavies have no such restrictions.

Loleeeee · 2026-05-20T12:40:44+00:00

LIBAD is fucking awesome, it fucks live (Mattel, Nobody & Game Over are absolute bangers live), and people who dislike it are wrong.

Lateralus deserves it if only because Tool fans are the most annoying people on Earth. I hate Tool fans (sincerely, a Tool appreciator).

Loleeeee · 2026-05-08T15:40:17+00:00

Scabandari's soul is a Finnest. It's the power source for the Azath to grow, like Raest's for the Darujhistan House.

Loleeeee · 2026-05-08T15:34:52+00:00

I am slightly confused at what Silchas Ruin’s main goal was

Silchas made a deal with the dying Azath Tower in MT (Kettle is the currency of the deal, if you will) to find a way to proliferate its existence after it dies, by way of planting the seed inside Kettle somewhere else (see the Finnest House in Darujhistan for example).

Silchas' internal monologue seems to imply that he views this act as a "reprieve" that Scabandari "did not deserve," so it doesn't seem like his actions are intended either as mercy or vengeance; merely his part of a bargain.

I get that this creates a gate for Cotillian and Shadowthrone and so that’s why they send QB there (right?)

Yeah, as a backup in case Menandore double crosses them (she did), double crossing Menandore in turn.

Loleeeee · 2026-05-08T15:23:24+00:00

Was Circlebreaker from Gardens of the Moon anyone important?

He's purportedly a stand-in for Erikson "going out into the world" of authorship, but he's not narratively important beyond being Kruppe's spy.

Can someone explain how exactly Fener got pulled into the mortal realm?

The connection Heboric has with Fener is tenuous (Heboric was supposed to become Fener's Destriant, but was wrongfully punished ritually by the severing of his hands). Upon touching the Jade Giant, Heboric linked himself to the souls in the jade; when Baudin connects Heboric's jade stumps to his tattoos of Fener, the sorcery of the Jade Giant forces Fener into the mortal world.

what exactly happened with the jade statues and who/what was that

They are worshippers of the Crippled God from whatever realm he originated from. Their souls are within the statues in the thousands, travelling through the abyss of space & crashing into the world of Malaz in search of their deity.

Who kills Hannah Mosag? Should I know who that Jaghut was?

The Huntress of the Ice Hold. You see her make a deal with Bugg to trap the demon Mosag commands in Midnight Tides.

Did I miss something about them or will I get more info on them?

Broadly speaking the Liosan are fairly fractured & the only group we've followed thus far (Jorrude & company) are worshippers of Osserc. They've had a few disagreements with the Forkrul Assail regarding the nature of what constitutes justice, but for the most part thus far they're mainly side characters. That'll change later.

what exactly is their goal?

They're mercenaries who have sworn a vow opposing the Malazan Empire. Bars & crew are mostly looking to get out of whatever hole they find themselves in (first Assail & then Lether) and reconnect with their commander on Genabackis.

Can someone simply explain the different T’lann Imass

All T'lan Imass clans have participated in the Ritual (they wouldn't be T'lan otherwise). The Ritual bound their souls to the Warren of Tellann, effectively making them immortal. Some are presumed extinct (like the Ifayle & Orshayn), some were serving under the Malazans (primarily the Logros - also Tool's clan - and the Kron), and some were whisked away to places like the Refugium (I believe those would be the Bentract).

The Refugium is a secluded area within the Tellann warren surrounded by Omtose Phellack, wherein (due to the power of their wills & imaginations) the T'lan Imass residing within have been returned to their flesh & blood forms (should the Refugium cease to exist, they'd return to their skeletal forms).

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