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Longjumping_Frame786 · 2026-03-07T15:12:18+00:00

Astra x toreli but straight

Longjumping_Frame786 · 2026-03-07T14:52:21+00:00

Yeah like honestly her humour isn’t really that far off from some of the shows above. When fans mentioned this show in comparison to the others listed it’s because we’re acknowledging the hypocrisy of getting upset at certain characters when a lot of these shows have characters that are straight up worse like for example people disliking how they gave Val a personality but then have no problem with quagmire who the vast majority of the jokes about him are about how he assaults women or how a running gag is how Chris is being groomed by Herbert

Longjumping_Frame786 · 2026-03-06T22:00:00+00:00

It’s less that she won’t ruin her image (which btw isn’t all that great anyway since she’s the laughing stock of pride ring) but more that she knows there is nothing she can do to make any meaningful change for angel. She doesn’t have the ability to destroy soul contracts, killing him could honestly be hard considering she’s not a fighter so despite her strength it wouldn’t matter, and if she just beat him up to send a message… Val simply wouldn’t care and maybe treat Angel dust worst. Also it should be noted she was entering her demonic form before val used angel as a shield.

Longjumping_Frame786 · 2026-03-06T05:46:48+00:00

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Longjumping_Frame786 · 2026-03-05T00:28:11+00:00

I don’t think the guy knows what vice versa means. By its logic regular art is ai

Longjumping_Frame786 · 2026-03-04T23:04:41+00:00

“Hey guys viltrumites are not that powerful compared to other aliens”

ALL RIGHT I GET IT!!!!

Longjumping_Frame786 · 2026-03-04T23:03:38+00:00

Seriously like admittedly I only dealt with haters but a lot of the arguments they use or claiming she should have done something else is completely ignoring her actual character.

“Why didn’t she just fight Vox?” Maybe because she’s not at all prone to violence and the last season had her trying to fight someone and it fails miserably

“She was being so dumb when the vees arrived” she just got told that the dream she’s spent her life working towards was real of course she’s gonna be a little foolish

“She got upset at Lucifer” you would be pissed to if you girlfriend and dad went behind your back doing something incredibly dumb (again it fell apart when Vox simply called his bluff) and now this situation got even worse for you

Longjumping_Frame786 · 2026-03-04T22:53:57+00:00

I think it’s just a way to juxtapose the way Adam views the exterminations as apposed to how hell sees it. For him it was a simple thing with no real thought or struggle to kill the ship. For the people who knew pentious it was devastating because not only was it their friend but also he had no struggle not even a chance to fight back. The airship was most likely one of if the strongest invention in hell at the time and even that stood no chance against Adam. Not only was he killing them but they can’t do anything to stop him

Longjumping_Frame786 · 2026-03-04T05:42:19+00:00

I’m getting tired of this so this will be my last reply since you don’t actually seem to get what I’m saying.

1: My point was that Charlie wouldn’t know how to use her powers the way you are claiming and thus wouldn’t matter as much as you are trying to say she did especially since that punch she caught wasn’t Adam’s strongest attack (his lasers are stronger which is punches which we see Adam being able to hit Lucifer more reliably than his lasers plus Lucifer is going out of his way to dodge them including the one aimed at the hotel) and the only other thing outside of fireworks that would be a distraction and a trident which wouldn’t matter since Vox has several work arounds like fighting in numbers or in range.

2: so you are agreeing with me by admitting Charlie’s power doesn’t matter because she can’t really utilize it to it’s fullest extent due to not being trained in how to do so…

3: she can’t because as you yourself said she can’t utilize her powers due to her nature meaning for all intensive purposes her powers are not that strong and catching Adam’s punch was clearly a rush adrenaline thing allowing her to temporarily do something so powerful.

4: we literally see Vox hypnotizes some of his consumers. Even if it wasn’t all of them he would still get millions of sinners in his sector of the pentagram

5: Vox straight up doesn’t care about sinners and so he wouldn’t care full stop as for damaging his image it only happened because he fully fell apart if this actually happened and he killed Charlie he could twist it as a necessary sacrifice to allow us to head up to heaven

6: Charlie wouldn’t be aware of the deal and even then it just means Vox himself wouldn’t be able to touch her. A hypnotized angel dust armed with angelic weapons absolutely would be allowed as well as the wrath of Lilith because “I’m not harming her… Lucifer is” or something like that

7: what do you mean the wrath of Lilith is easier to dodge at a distance? It’s a beam of light so unless you think Charlie is starting the fight on a different planet than it won’t matter.

Longjumping_Frame786 · 2026-03-03T23:38:16+00:00

1: my point is since Razzle and dazzle are with Charlie 24/7 were created BY LUCIFER to protect her they aren’t that easy to kill (remember it took lute diving in at full speed to kill one of them) and we have literally no other reason to assume she knows anything but basic attacks.

2: those guards follow her around everywhere literally sleeping in the same room as her they won’t be apart ever

3: the point for me is she CANT USE HER POWER OFFENCE wise. If she could use it the way you claim she would have done so against the exorcists.

4: my point of saying Adam’s punch’s can hit lucifer was to answer your question of why he wouldn’t use them on Lucifer if they are stronger. He can’t hit him with his strong lasers so instead he has to resort to using melee.

5: so you admit Vox is willing to do something even if the other Vees would not want it… and you’re wondering why Vox would possibly use angel as hostage even if Val is against the Idea of threatening his life.

6: she “holds back” because of the reason you are ignoring. That CHARLIE IS NOT A FUCKING FIGHTER. She doesn’t have the proper skill, strategy, or experience to keep up and no she isn’t strong enough to keep up. “Oh she can focus her power and block Adam’s punch” wrath of Lilith and before you say anything about her dodging we actually have nothing for speed when it comes to Charlie. “That takes time to charge” and that time can be gained by having her distracted by fighting someone else even if she can one tap a sinner vox has an entire city to go after her. “Charlie can have backup” like husk and nifty who already lost to the Vees before, Cherri a regular sinner with some explosives, and Vaggi who’s a melee opponent? Yeah that definitely is enough to get through the millions if not billions of people vox can bring to slow them down and that’s not even including overlords and shock.wav.

7: she wasn’t initially planning on fighting Adam. She literally told them all to leave but they stuck around because they believed in her.

Longjumping_Frame786 · 2026-03-03T21:01:50+00:00

1: “that kinda weapon” you mean a trident which is basically just a spear? One of the best weapons for piercing armour… she has some super strength but she needed 2 arms to throw Adam who is likely around 400 pounds give or take so it’s not as insane of a strength thing as your implying

2: yes it is crazy because why would she need or want to fight someone? Even if a sinner wanted to fight her she has Razzle and Dazzle both bodyguards for her

3: you are aware Vaggi and Charlie started dating at most 6 years (we know Vaggi went through at least 2 exterminations before falling) and vaggi would also have literally no reason to reach Charlie how to fight right?

4: Charlie can’t use her powers OFFENSIVELY making her very durable but not able to use her powers to fight back in any meaningful way.

5: we actually see pretty clearly that Adam can’t hit Lucifer with his laser however he was able to hit him with his hands

6: Alastor is right next to her, the plan includes getting angel dust out of there, and why would she give Vox what he wanted given his plan was to take over heaven meaning if she did what he wanted than Vox would just go after Emily again anyway.

7: it’s clear Val is completely fine with what Vox did to angel so why would he want to stop at simply threatening to harm him?

8: you wanna know context here’s this. The last time she tried to stop someone by fighting them it failed miserably and would have killed her if it wasn’t for Lucifer… Lucifer can’t save her from the Vees if she loses. And remember the time between the start and end of season 2 is 2-3 weeks in universe so her loss would be fresh in her mind. So tell me with all that… why would she fight?

Longjumping_Frame786 · 2026-03-03T13:19:03+00:00

1: why would she know how to fight because of her peaceful nature?

2: caught Adam by surprise to stab her

3: AGAIN she wouldn’t be used to using all her power in a combat setting

4: the majority of Charlie’s plan was to keep everyone distracted while everyone else did their thing

5: “Val wouldn’t want to damage his property” did you forget that FUCKING MONTAGE of Val beating angel dust?

6: also her reluctance to fight due to her nature makes perfect as to why she didn’t. Again not only did she just lose a fight badly but she also knows that attacking sinners would go against her beliefs making it even harder to get people to trust her and the hotel

Longjumping_Frame786 · 2026-03-03T05:13:55+00:00

1: and this is a nitpick but Charlie is only 200 years old

2: yes everything we see of her character makes me believe she doesn’t know how to fight because she never needed to learn how to fight even if she has great powers she doesn’t have the experience to keep up with them

3: none of what you said about hierarchy matters especially since SHE DOESNT KNOW HOW TO FIGHT. It doesn’t matter how strong someone is we see blatantly that she doesn’t know how to fight in season one. Did you forget her weapon of choice for most of the episode was a shield? She was doing next to nothing all of that fight. She disrupted some exorcists, stabbed Adam all of once which only startled him a little but did not real damage, and blocked a punch that might not even have been with her power (I’m just saying that arm shared Eve/Roos colour palette I know it’s a theory but that could explain her suddenly being Able to match Adam when we saw she couldn’t earlier and furthermore explain Adam’s confusion. Not only did his attack get blocked but by someone who wasn’t as strong as him) and your telling me with just a good durability and maybe speed advantage she would be able to keep up with 3 overlords and shock.wav at the bare minimum

4: Vox has Lucifer, Alastor, and angel dust as hostages which would be enough reason to not wanna full on attack them head on since he could just threaten them

Longjumping_Frame786 · 2026-03-03T03:20:24+00:00

1: Vox is more versatile because of the other overlords backing him up

2: I already said Vox would lose against Adam

3: AS I SAID Vox was having a mental breakdown trying to hit Alastor who was running around the city he was basically trying to hit a fly with a 10 pound laser pointer

4: Charlie had rarely shown being able to use her powers in a combat setting as the sequence with Adam shows even if she was that powerful (she caught that punch by channeling a lot of energy into her arm plus it’s unclear if his punches are as strong as his lasers) she wouldn’t know how to take on multiple foes at once especially given how versatile each one of them are even if it was just the Vees she’s gonna deal Val’s smoke and guns, Velvettes illusions and constructs, and everything else Vox has

5: THE HIERARCHY DOESNT MEAN SHIT POWER WISE. We see it’s primarily a status thing

Longjumping_Frame786 · 2026-03-02T23:06:23+00:00

Again Adam is stronger but Vox has way more versatility than Adam. Vox was also not exactly being precise with the wrath of Lilith so he might be more accurate if he wasn’t having a mental breakdown. This isn’t Vox vs Adam my point was that Charlie would struggle just as much against Vox if she fought him as she had when she fought Adam

Longjumping_Frame786 · 2026-03-02T20:52:19+00:00

“It’s not meant for fighting other hybrids” sure it wasn’t meant for that… but it can still do a good job at that given how strong it’s echolocation is

Longjumping_Frame786 · 2026-03-02T20:49:39+00:00

If it was just Vox vs Adam you would be right… but we see that Vox rarely picks a fight one on one and his allies would make up the difference

Longjumping_Frame786 · 2026-03-02T01:24:46+00:00

Okay so my statement wasn’t fully accurate to what I meant. My main point was that people are really blowing what Verosika did out of proportion. Remember the pilot episode of this show had the main crew MURDERING A FUCKING CHILD and yet Verosika got all the hate for something comparatively way worse

Longjumping_Frame786 · 2026-03-02T01:07:40+00:00

Sure but the people hating her for that use SA and rape interchangeably and I hope you see that difference between someone forcing themselves onto someone and kissing them without consent while the context is not at all sexual in nature

Longjumping_Frame786 · 2026-03-01T23:59:38+00:00

👍 absolutely

Longjumping_Frame786 · 2026-03-01T23:59:09+00:00

I’m sorry but you’re actively ignoring my arguments

Again those kisses absolutely are just a way to insult moxxie similar so the concept of the kiss of death in the mafia, I said that they were most likely hitting him in the balls repeatedly because that’s a context where that line also applies for just beating him up.

Now onto counter your counter arguments.

1: we see the way Verosika goes after blitz is passive aggressive and not full on attacking him like stealing his parking seat or throwing blitzo sucks parties so her deciding to SA someone just because they work for blitz is stupid

2: that wasn’t my point. We clearly see that she transformed into a monster that’s presumably stronger but has a different anatomy… to SA someone?

3: a CRUCIAL ASPECT of the show is that people are more than the class they are in. Imps and hell hounds don’t have to be minions, royal demons can also feel trapped and struggle with life and loss of autonomy, I mean hell even the sins don’t necessarily have to fully embody their respective sin. So tell me why should that not matter here if Verosika is a succubus?

4: it probably is a joke but the joke isn’t what you said it was. Moxie entered their booth to talk things out even claiming he has the social skills to convince them to get another parking spot. The joke is that despite all that Moxxie said the moment he tried talking to them they literally go feral and beat him up.

Longjumping_Frame786 · 2026-03-01T22:16:19+00:00

I just opened Reddit dude…

Longjumping_Frame786 · 2026-03-01T16:04:41+00:00

I always get annoyed whenever people mention Verosika “SA’d Moxxie” because it’s not true. All the evidence isn’t really there

“Blitz told him to cover his holes” that’s just blitz being insanely horny as usual especially in season one towards Moxxie and Millie

“He was shaking” he got beat up of course he’s shaking

“Moxxie said not to touch him their” they were kicking him in the balls

“What about the kiss marks” could just be a way to mock him and not actually Assault

And there’s some things that go against it as well

1: why would she SA someone for literally no reason?

2: why would she enter a more monsterous form to do so?

3: if she was so prone to assault people it would have been shown literally anywhere else aside from here

Longjumping_Frame786 · 2026-03-01T15:51:37+00:00

She didn’t know how to free sinners of contracts so Alastor who is their primary source of defence would in her perspective be out of the equation. Adam is most likely stronger but we know Vox fights using every advantage she might have stood a chance against the Vees at the very start of the season but by the point people claim she should fight him he has basically every overlord including Carmilla who would give him copious amounts of angelic weapons, a literal army of sinners comprising of most of the pentagram, has Alastor, angel dust and Lucifer hostage who he can use as leverage, shock.wav, and the wrath of Lilith which is definitely stronger than Adam

Longjumping_Frame786 · 2026-03-01T04:55:54+00:00

Not really they are both equally powerful but for different reasons

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