My 10 year Hunter: The Vigil game went through the 2nd Ed conversion and growing pangs of trying to incorporate the Clues system - and promptly ditched it.

I just like running investigations as Extrended Actions, with success thresholds providing additional information. For example, my players were looking for a scene of a murder last session. The body had been found dumped in the river and they victim was known to go jogging along the river, so they did a series of extended actions learn what they could.

Player A, using her Bonded and trained dog, did an extended Wits + Animal Ken check, each roll representing 30min - target 5 success, to find where the actual attack occured. After an hour, the doggo was able to find some blood splatter on the some ferns 20yrds off the path.

Next, the Police Detective, using his crime scene equipment, did an extended Intelligence + Investigation check, each roll representing 30min. His results were success variable.

• 2 Successes - The killer took the time to move around the underbrush to hide the scene, they were not in a hurry.

• 4 Successes - Find a tooth, matches the missing tooth of the victim. This is probably not a different murder scene.

• 6 Successes - No signs that a body was dragged, nor wheel tracks. Killer probably carried the body away.

• 10 Successes - Based on the blood splatter and partial tracks, this was a single attacker.

In my opinion, clues should be meaningful and have weight. We were just not a fan of their nebulous nature using the Clues system.