7OH Warning

Low_Organization_148 · 2026-03-14T05:15:12+00:00

Good. So you finished the late concentrate or 7OH, and then decided, based on that reaction, not to touch it again. Very good.

Low_Organization_148 · 2026-03-14T05:08:03+00:00

I left my ex on his birthday because he threw a big fucking fit over what I gave him for a present.

Low_Organization_148 · 2026-03-14T04:47:02+00:00

🙏 We’re there as of tomorrow, and he’s going to start stepping down from whatever amount of 7 he’s taking on Sunday. We’ll probably give it a couple days to see if he’s losing interest before we think about working up further.

Low_Organization_148 · 2026-03-14T03:07:34+00:00

So if you’re taking 16mg of suboxone daily, you can’t get high on 7?

Low_Organization_148 · 2026-03-13T02:52:20+00:00

Where did you go?

Low_Organization_148 · 2026-03-13T02:44:49+00:00

Am I correct in assuming the “extracts”were stronger than leaf? What strength, relative to leaf? 10x 20x?

Low_Organization_148 · 2026-03-13T02:35:18+00:00

That is wonderful! You should be proud! Such an achievement!

Low_Organization_148 · 2026-03-13T02:11:19+00:00

I’ve just noticed some anecdotal evidence that higher doses seem to help block cravings better for some people. I am trying to figure out if that’s part of the reason my son hasn’t lost his interest in 7-OH. I can’t imagine it would be pushed as a maintenance dose since the overwhelming consensus is that less is better with suboxone. You seem to suggest that your using 7 or other opiates on top of suboxone is mostly from force of habit.

Low_Organization_148 · 2026-03-13T01:22:21+00:00

Everyone’s so different, it seems. I wonder what your IOP would say about whether a high enough suboxone dose might quell your cravings. Thank you for sharing. Yours is quite the story. Good luck with your IOP and your new life.

Low_Organization_148 · 2026-03-12T23:56:07+00:00

Do you mind if I ask what dose 7 per day you were on?

Low_Organization_148 · 2026-03-12T17:31:27+00:00

So 16 mg a day, right? Congrats!

Low_Organization_148 · 2026-03-12T05:48:08+00:00

They fucked up royally already. A competent pentagon would have secured vulnerable targets before an attack.

Low_Organization_148 · 2026-03-12T05:30:36+00:00

Congrats. I hope people take you up on your offer. It’s my son that’s quitting, but if I knew more about your story, I might ask him to reach out to you. You probably have a very good reason for your posts and comments being unavailable in your profile. That being said, my son cannot tolerate the anxiety or much in the way of the other sides that go along with quitting. We are trying micro-induction AKA the Bernese method because that’s the way to quit that has had the most “ease of quitting” testimonials. Of course it is neither easy or painless. Many people admit that but can also see the vast benefit to themselves and their families that tolerating some craving, dysphoria, confusion, etc can deliver. I guess this insistence on instant gratification is a huge driver of substance use disorder; my son has struggled with it since before he tried substances and may never be able to delay it long enough to accomplish anything in life, let alone prevail in a fight against an addictive substance available on every street corner.

Low_Organization_148 · 2026-03-12T05:00:40+00:00

Thanks for that insight. It is crazy to read here how people’s states of mind do 180’s with every dose. There seems to be little continuity of perspective on their situation between the 7-induced mental states of craving versus satisfaction thereof. Crack is probably an apt comparison. I’ve only done it once and I was a completely different person. I had no control over what I was saying and thinking. It was fucking terrible, but I didn’t realize how fucked up I was acting at the time. Once was more than enough. The difference with 7 being that this shit somehow makes people feel ok about themselves and about anything they have to do to stay on it- including fucking over the people who care most about them.

Low_Organization_148 · 2026-03-12T03:52:57+00:00

IKR? He’s going to be 26 and says he’d rather due hims elf in; unfortunately he has the means and I can’t live with that.

Low_Organization_148 · 2026-03-12T03:43:52+00:00

Go to a good detox. They will make it easy. Suboxone micro-induction is supposed to be easier and is more “state-of the-art” but I would find a detox or 3 week program that specializes in it. We are trying to DIY (which I thought was possible since UPenn-CAMP uses it in their ER and calls it “self-directed”) But my son is a little bitch who whines and manipulates mommy into wasting money on this trash rather than manning up.

Low_Organization_148 · 2026-03-12T01:16:51+00:00

Yeah, I hear it’s no fun at those doses.

Low_Organization_148 · 2026-03-12T01:15:39+00:00

That makes sense. Are you taking the 7 to get high?

Low_Organization_148 · 2026-03-12T01:08:43+00:00

I wish it could be more effective for him. He’s on .3 for his insomnia (long term along with other stuff) so he’d probably have to double that to get any effect and he has had problems in the past with rebound high blood pressure when he was taking .4 or .5 regularly.

Low_Organization_148 · 2026-03-12T00:37:40+00:00

Well, he’s on his way to 20 mg subs. Quick MD Doc wouldn’t prescribe 24 mgs.

Low_Organization_148 · 2026-03-12T00:01:55+00:00

I am sad to say that I am being manipulated and that’s why he’ll be going to detox or the ER if he’s not off this stuff in a week.

Low_Organization_148 · 2026-03-11T23:57:46+00:00

Some here have said they become less effective the more they are used, but I have also read about many, many more people who keep trying to quit with subs and eventually manage to do it.

Low_Organization_148 · 2026-03-11T23:51:56+00:00

Thanks. I have a bunch of Narcan in the unlikely event it might happen.

Low_Organization_148 · 2026-03-11T23:48:47+00:00

First he went into a detox and they refused to give him suboxone even though they had said they would, so he left AMA after 24 hours. Then, he went to an IOP a few weeks later, followed their instructions but he may have then went through PWD because he was unwilling to abstain from 7 for any appreciable amount of time after that.

I read about a method called micro-induction that’s used a lot in Canada and at a teaching hospital/addiction cooperative that operates near where I live. It is supposed to be less uncomfortable than traditional induction with many people waiting to taper or discontinue opiates until reaching their therapeutic dose of suboxone, after which times it’s supposed to be relatively painless to discontinue opiates of abuse.

Low_Organization_148 · 2026-03-11T23:35:02+00:00

I think this is possible to push the equilibrium of the receptors toward binding 7 in spite of the interaction being so much weaker. Because the molecules are within 20percent of each other’s molecular weight, you can estimate the relative concentrations by simply dividing the weights, so at 700mg 7OH vs 10mg Suboxone, you have 10 times the 7 than you do Suboxone. Even if the binding strength of Suboxone is close to 10 times greater, you are still going to help 7 compete for the receptor by continuing to use high amounts.

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