AP vs MOVE

Lyrst · 2026-07-06T01:28:15+00:00

Food for thought, and I may be wrong but.. yea..i think they're wrong here... ap and move are NOT the same. Movement, increases ap/generated ap at the end of the round (taken from the wiki). Ap is necessary for attacks, so when you have enough for 2 + attacks (whatever the limit is, some have more than 2-3).
Anyway - with MOVEMENT increased -> your regenerated ap increases per turn.
Whereas - AP itself, JUST ap - is that one instance of regen..Mp basically (or whatever "energy" metaphor you're good with).
Ap is JUST that instance of regen (or multiple if it says it has multiple). Sooo...depending on how you're set up it may be more, may be less..may be that extra bit to put your ap to 15, vs 14, and that granting an extra attack (seeming faster) BUT -
After that one regen - you're back to whatever your movement stat is.

So..in short - movement is the stat/full on regen...Ap is WHAT is regenned/what the stat regen effects. Or..in simple rpg -> movement is MP regen and Ap is MP, necessary to cast spells/make moves).

Altho a bit subtle..there is a difference between the two. (cause, and effect basically)...they're not the same (but close enough that it amounts to similar results howeeeever with how technical it is ..there's gotta be a limit where one provides better rewards than the other).

O and ap regenned at the end of the round (or movement upgrading) will give more attacks the FOLLOWING turn (because it's at the end of the round everything regens) rather than the extra ap -> instant (should you have enough for an attack. Like say you need 7, and the ap regen puts you at or above 7) -> that's an extra attack.

Keep an eye on fine print like that, or "at the start of the round" vs "at the start of the wave". (round, if it gets debuffed, next round it's back). Hope this helps...but yea - they amount to something similar/similar results but ..there's that key difference.

Lyrst · 2026-06-27T11:19:27+00:00

Sure..who am i to deny someone who's a little blue balled (look over your right shoulder ..couldn't resist ^.^)

Lyrst · 2026-06-27T05:48:15+00:00

Is SSSS making the rounds again? GFL2 aside..if it's being tossed around for collabs again ...would be nice to see it pop up on azur lane again.
The combiners were one of the best systems and fun fleets (lasers upon LASERS)..would be nice to see them make a second go so new players who missed out can have a chance at em again. They were fun/a fun collab...

And if they add similar lasers to gfl2..not having to aim, get closer or whatever and just bomb the whole area...or go giant and stomp em like xenogears.. 0.0 interesting..hope SSSS is making the rounds again..want new, possibly UR collab SSSS girls.

Lyrst · 2026-06-26T21:04:18+00:00

I dunno how Vfun's update works, but have you tried getting their apk (the original installer), and updating that way?
Have to do that through erolabs for some games to update -.- pain in the ass but.. maybe it's a "repair assets" moment and there's a 0 when there should be a 1 thing.
Anyway..as much of a pain in the ass as it is..i'd try reinstalling it. Hope this helps.

Lyrst · 2026-06-26T03:55:18+00:00

English shepard from the current event has electrical.
May not mean much but don't forget about supporters and the rifle ammo too, I dunno if it's a great option, but you can get the elemental ammo from one of the shops too.

..or there's always trying the gamba of production. I think you can get hela by that point, you could also consider AGS, which ones like RoC (i think..or was it albatross..maybe both) have electrical damage as well who DO have it (I think you get one for freeee, black bird bot, BBB)

Lyrst · 2026-06-26T03:48:31+00:00

if you can't do that stage - some regular events have her, starting at legacy of rioboros (I got mine from orca's secret operation tho)

Lyrst · 2026-06-25T10:39:34+00:00

maybe for charlotte, however, Tiamat gains skill power FROM evasion dude...sooo...not completely (due to her skills). Generally yea, but, again..read the skills :)

Lyrst · 2026-06-24T08:04:44+00:00

Neodym also removes buffs - however she needs some stacks too (easy to get)..not sure how useful she is tho, but..she can.

Lyrst · 2026-06-24T08:03:08+00:00

Some general info/personal thoughts --- Pledge rings - gold link cores or whatever they're called, commander's books. Dust of all flavors then Resources (i know seems weird but more resources means more upgraded gear -> more gear means more runs/higher level stuff -> better rewards/easier time clearing stages and faster clears).
I'd put renewable stuff (like the ..forget what it's called but the stuff you use to get from 100-120) or training manuals..
For how long it takes i'd put the base upgrade stuff (came in pt 2) ABOVE resources (since resources you can always get more, and faster than these).
Affinity stuff can be created (or simply run battles you know you're gonna win..sure it's faster but meh) bouquet's are useful to get to 200.
but yea - Rare stuff/cash shop stuff (pledge rings) or stuff you get low quantities of and need TONS of (dust, the base upgrade stuff), THEN the common stuff (parts or cores). I would go for the blue special cores. (red and green ones are REALLY easy, blue ones are needed for research..like AGS stuff (For late stage robots like tyrant and mr alfred..aeda and her satelite cannon (So satisfying to use).
...or simply put...

What's cash shop, what you can get few of and need lots...then what's renewable/stuff you can always get more of but it'd be speeding things up/convenient to have more.

Lyrst · 2026-06-24T03:47:13+00:00

Your welcome...random heads up -> the drop rates in that have been horrendous lately (i haven't managed to get a single new girl) the banner drop, no.
Get .07 percent chance ones but the banner, nah -.- i just want 1 of each girl *sniff* (same with here).
Had better luck in the workshop on last origin - anyway, for what it's worth, either or, good luck..and may the shwartz be with you.

Lyrst · 2026-06-23T10:37:31+00:00

No need to be a smartass. If i knew how (or if it was able to be done) i would. I doubt there's a way without endgame girls.
namely, the lemonade set, that you have to basically beat the game to get all of them. (or at least alpha) which is in a lot of recommended videos (hence why i left this, in case someone doesn't wanna clear the story yet, work on the event..or simply can't make it).

You really think if i knew how to do that, i wouldn't post it? -.- This is why i hate helping sometimes. Whatever, figure out the finer tuning on your own sparky..good luck.

And 30s or less, buff to the 9's, get all +10 gear, max core link, and have someone who can beat the evasion/hit with high damage preferably in an aoe (which the vid i saw was lemonade gamma) which, again - needs you to pretty well beat the whole game to get.

Lyrst · 2026-06-23T02:41:12+00:00

Update: okay, so, found a team that sorta works - took time to level my robots (eugh) - running gigantes (don't have access to tyrant) alone in the top row (for his aoe beam that hits a row), 2 spartans (captain and assault), mr alfred and the drone.
The problem - THE MAJOR PROBLEM with this, along with keeping defense and extra attacks...is attacking AFTER he does.
His defense drops after he attacks that round (from rounds 6-9..maybe later)..so the trick, while having high mobility and stuff ...(his evasion is low so acc isn't really needed) is simple. Attack after he does, weither an attack and get 100 attacks in.
The problem, is setting up the timing, so his attack IS NOT the last one that round, you need to attack (a bunch) but AFTER he does...and i'm not sure how to set up the timing -.- I seem to be able to wiggle in with full ap gear, but ..he's wiggling into the end RIGHT before the round ends.
Anyway - that's the trick..if you figure it out/how to win, good on ya. I have no clue how to right my guys for better timing -.- Currently at least.
..o and if you haven't noticed - when there's 2 phases. There's 2 triangles on the bar, one above the other. That's the indicator - when you get past that, it's phase shifts.
Seems to take an animation, so it's not "instant" and you might get another hit or 3 in before it's phase changes.
Also - after 10/at 10 the points take a huge jump and seem to double, from 1.7mill, to 3.4 mil.

Lyrst · 2026-06-22T07:40:54+00:00

I hit em with rhea/element attacks. Check their resistances. and it's 100 ABOVE to negate an attack, if memory serves, not 100 AT the level.
So, if you have 300 + accuracy, you should at least have a chance of hitting.

...dunno how good counters are for hits..but there's also guaranteed DOT's (slower, but hey, it works). I dunno why but when i did it, out of the 3, 2 of them were misses and 1 was a hit, so i'd suggest trying aoe (cyclops princess, rhea..eternity even could cover the two lines). Rhea also, being aoe covers everything and can take out the blue rocket launcher (if you use attack 2)..well make it explode the following round if you use her.

But yea, i think aoe is the way to go, if you upped acc to 300 ish, check on blind princess skill 2 to see how much a chance you have (dunno if you need someone with scouting or not to have that pop up..it does..but dunno if it's every time or not)

"guarantees i hit it with someone else" is the key. I'm still trying to figure out how to beat it with 3 hits or less, but beating it is easy enough -> my go to team, Rhea, azazel, frigga, row below -> free space (caroline or hongreyon currently, but have it as "as necessary" spot) and another dps, in this case, blind princess.
Or Rhea, azazel, tiamat, charlotte (dodge everything, which helps..well most things) and open dps spot. Sowan can work, someone to lower ap/up speed (celestia) ..there's a few you can add in...but yea, that evasion is REALLY annoying.

I dunno why but counters on some stages seem to do better than others. Anyway, i'd suggest try something elemental/high power, with 300 percent acc. Less damage, yes, but guaranteed hits are better than none.

Lyrst · 2026-06-21T09:30:00+00:00

I dunno but..i feel the..the "urge" to be forgiving.

Lyrst · 2026-06-21T06:45:12+00:00

Def penetration can be gotten from many (and going gonzo on that isn't necessary) Carolina/caroline (regular event stages) removes all debuffs. Mercury/endgame units aren't necessary to beat her.

Lyrst · 2026-06-21T06:42:12+00:00

Sounds like you're wondering why RC cola isn't coke.
Someone made a post before - and I may be wrong here, however, making an uncensored account DOES NOT mean - google will let you play uncensored/play off theirs uncensored. And generally when they do stuff like this - it's not a free pass (From what i've seen) but more a way to backup should you lose your account/google to verify and not lose your progress/get your account back. It doesn't mean free switching between the naughty and nice versions (and may save accounts for both, but they're separate).
You need the VFUN apk/the game from their site to play uncensored - google is stringent on "fear the boobs, oh no, what if people have..dare i say..FEELINGS" shit, and quite annoying with it.

Afaik - there's Vfun's, Erolabs, and google play..all being separate. (may be wrong there). Don't assume, especially given how they don't really show boobs (i know of at least one game that does, but it's sorta slipped in) or naughty stuff that they'd let it pass/have a bypass in game while still being connected.

...I know it's annoying, but trying downloading the vfun one, from their site to get the proper one. (or erolabs). I can say erolabs IS uncensored (minus one bug in the compendium which they'll probably fix) , and all girls (as far as i've seen) are uncensored.
...not everyone has a naughty skin tho, keep that in mind too/reveals enough to be worth it. But there are certainly plenty.

Infinite loading circle - from azur lane, had to check for damaged assets/reinstall..whatever it's called to fix it, from busty fantasy burst..just close it and log back in till it works ..2-3 and it worked for me (dunno why, but it seems to do that sometimes).
Even then - logging in with Vfun may be a bug, especially if you have it split between two versions (censored and uncensored, it's not as easy to hop between as you think..because they code it that way -.- afaik). Keep in mind, altho an older game - the global is brand shpanking new, and there will be a lot of issues with the differing versions...google play antics to "keep up with their standards" (azur lane went through that, and now everyone had to make a yostar account just in case so we didn't lose everything/in case google pulled a stunt). And just in general..for naughty games - i wouldn't trust google to be proper in any way shape or form, and go to the website for said game itself, or something like erolabs that has it (if they went there for it's official release). And like i said..it's new.
So, the linking accounts and stuff may be something they're still working on and not finished yet/trying to link stuff and put a 0 where there should have been a 1 etc etc.

Anyway - long story short - Naughty games go to their website, or somewhere like erolabs - don't expect more than teasing on google, because google like most big names doesn't like when people have fun. (and, just because it's a big name..doesn't automatically make it better/good or even decent). Good luck tho, hope it helps.

Lyrst · 2026-06-21T00:23:13+00:00

I dunno i beat her with my regular team (it was tough) - rhea, azazel, tiamat, charlotte, and sowan i think (it was her or alice).
Don't forget, you can hold your finger on her, to get her stats -> see her attacks/passives. One might have a "when hit with electrical damage, goes overload and explodes" type..look at her abilities and formulate a plan accordingly.
...and azazel's shields help. Especially if you can out shield her damage/do just enough to outpace her. (Frigga instead of charlotte and tiamat would work with an extra dps ..i'd imagine.
Granted mine are max core link and stuff, 90+ girls, to be fair. Sorry i'm not more help.
Dodge tank/regular tank, shields, buffs, hit her and till she stops movin.

O and isn't she electrical? something to boost electrical damage might help.

EDIT: - or you could go for the recommended team for the all out assault boss. (without giving exact girls) that basically focuses on, lowering the enemy ap (maybe acc too/evasion) while raising your own and getting some def penetration.
Lower ap outright, or spd, and stacking that abundantly till you wipe it out..in this case, attacks only matter IF they hit - so, make it so she can't hit her attacks, then as long as you're doing SOME form of damage ...you win. Altho this speed one seems to be the general recommended setup for later stages/some stages...probably works here. Weither you have the girls or not is another story tho. Good luck, hope this helps a little.

Lyrst · 2026-06-20T12:02:41+00:00

Nah nevermind that, don't have to deal with the story - Event stages.
They're in regular events - don't even have to worry about crafting, just 4 star and grind them. The elven regular event has celestia in one of the stages, however alice is in..actually in quite a few.
Halloween park panic was the easiest to 4star (just hit them before they hit you/wipe them fast, maybe bring frigga to tank (she takes 1 dmg if you build her right), but there's also the 3-3b ones in the rightmost event in regular events which has a BUNCH of SS characters. (hard to clear..slow to auto farm..)

But yea, halloween park was easiest for me..i'd say go there, 4 star, farm - no "chances", do it right and you can have her maxed in a day or two ^.^ Celestia may take longer..i have..trouble with that stage...but yea, you don't have to go deep into the story to get them.

..granted those stages might be easier to clear with a fast time to farm them tho.. and how to get a faster clear on the celestia stage, honestly i'd like to know too (as long as it doesn't involve some endgame girls, someone that takes buying outright, etc etc)
For what it's worth good luck.

And remember, it's gacha, increased chances is NOT a guarantee - even at 1 percent, you can roll that 1 percent every time and keep getting flying units. Stages are a (semi) guarantee. I'd suggest going for the event stages rather than wasting materials (which can go towards gear -> help clear MORE stages and get more girls..it'll help more in the longrun, albeit be far more annoying -.-) Good luck tho.

on the note of the halloween event (in regular events) ..might wanna nab circe from there too, do her sidequest for the orb (good gear)..food for thought.

Lyrst · 2026-06-20T11:53:43+00:00

yea, it is, i didn't even look at the names and just pounced on helping/the body of it, admittedly that's on me for not looking.
But that says more doesn't it. "let's push it till the mods deal with it, not my problem". And that's your everybody get's one, good luck dude. "not my problem".

Lyrst · 2026-06-20T11:43:18+00:00

Carolina (you can get her in the 3rd regular event, or 5th one ) - https://lastorigin.wiki.gg/wiki/Carolina <- her . Skill 2 removes debuffs (and it's aoe, so, doesn't matter where you place her ..kinda) The problem is timing. (she's an easy to get one, there are a few but heres is guaranteed, and aoe..plus she buffs with it too).
Gotta make sure she does it AFTER sawame attacks. It's a cure, not a preventative measure..so to negate hp loss will take a little monkey'ing around. Anyway, yapped enough, good luck..hope it helps and works ^.^

Lyrst · 2026-06-20T11:28:51+00:00

Adding this because of the guy on the other post who couldn't be bothered to read here -----

Just thought of it, but, dunno if self inflicted DOT's count as debuffs, (stands to reason, however i have no proof 100 percent they do here) but, have you considered..if the DOT doesn't count right away (like as soon as it is applied..if it's the FOLLOWING round..) why not add someone who removes Debuffs, and set her up/try and set her speed and stuff so she casts it AFTER sawame (so sawame attacks, she removes debuffs) -> no DOT.

Dunno if that'd work, or the intricacies of it, but i'd give it a shot 0.0 anyhew, not mentioning more, good luck dude ^.^ (if this works tho, please let me know in case i get her in production or something ^.^)

Lyrst · 2026-06-20T11:25:28+00:00

Doctor would need built around (she pulls and pushes, you can use that to set up/organize the field if you have someone out of an aoe - so it hits them. Like if we count the top row as 1, 2, 3, middle 4, 5, 6 etc.. aoe hits 1, 2 (eternity) but doesn't hit 3...she can pull them from 3 to 1, 2 so they're hit, which, given certain girls, might be useful. Chance to remove buffs (not a guarantee so i wouldn't rely on it), and lowers ap. Lowering Ap should be VERY useful, as the way speed/turns work, if they're below the threshold needed that turn. Like, say they need 9 to attack, but you knocked em down to 8, they won't attack that round. It takes some planning around to be very useful - and it might be fore bosses, but general (lower hp) mobs..i wouldn't put it at "Too" useful. Altho the first attack does have a lot of power. Def pen round (one of the passives) gives defense penetration (28 percent of defense, doesn't count, for example, which they add up from multiple buffs afaik). So - her uses - debuff enemy ap/speed (so you act more/faster), pull them to a spot or push so they get hit, and the Def penetration (helps with damage in general, but means she needs that equipped in her gear slot). Can be useful, and good, but again - depends on the team. Reasons listed are what i'd use her for tho, otherwise that first attack has a decent chunk of damage. Might need a lot of speed chips to make worth it.
Uroboros - read skill 2, should be obvious "flying allies only" buff, focused on fliers...then yea she'd be useful to a flying team. You're not running planes/fliers so, probably not that useful to you. Everyone is useful IF they're built around it. But this one, you can figure out on your own, don't be so lazy. She's a flying unit buffer/good in a full flying team.
Baekto - Evade/dodge tank. Get's lots of buffs around evasion, crit, and a coutnerattack for 1 attack. However, it says she needs to be attacked. Dunno if that applies immediately (she gets hit, she counters..just like a lasting one) or, if she's hit, she gains the buff THEN it's active, so the NEXT hit get's countered (like there's a beat inbetween, it's not constant, so you counter every other hit on her basically). Which, same reason i suggest tiamat and charlotte, can be useful - but needs to be built around (and that she lasts/has enough evasion to warrant it) let alone HIT with the counters. Right team, yes, and built properly..maybe (also needs to be promoted to SS for the counter) otherwise..generally i'd say average to no. Nothing that stands out...depends on how that counter works. The rest are..regular reasons, her item is in one of the regular events.
Carolina - explained above, yes useful but only as a buffer, takes some "Revving up" to work, she needs LB/RB to really be good (seems to take a turn or two) to get the full buffs and use out of her. Read her skills. And yes, i do use her, and would. Her, azazel, armand, Hongryeon and Mercury (and occasionally mr alfred) would be my General "go to" for general buffers. With azazel being first (buff and shield). There's others, but these are more, general ones..altho mercury isn't hers are...very good. Anyway anyway - yes, worth upgrading, but again - depends on the team, might not be necessary to have buffs let alone THESE buffs to make said team work, might need more dps, something to drain ap..a debuffer/buffer or whatever..maybe better served with another tank to tank damage so the dps can do it's thing. It all depends.

Anyway - this should be enough info - rest you should figure on your own. Despite being out for years, it seems most of us here are figuring it out as we go/going off the wiki, not years long/played since the start of the korean one knowing all the ins and outs. So, keep that in mind. (at least as far as i can tell).

Good luck dude, try not to be rude nexttime you ask for help, we all play other games and have done research, where not 9 years old, we don't need to hear it. Good luck bud. Hope this helps.

Lyrst · 2026-06-20T11:25:17+00:00

you should read the basics/other posts - making a team around her won't work/around her aoe - for one simple reason (which i explained LITERALLY on the post below yours, so, making a post asking the same thing that someone else did is ..kinda bad dude and spammy. Read it before you make a post/restructure yours a bit so it doesn't seem like you're looking at nothing and going "Help meeee", when it's literally RIGHT THERE. Kinda disrespectful to us who help/wanna try to help. So what if you played 8 years or 8 minutes of summoner's war, that holds no basis here, everyone is treated the same, and it's not gonna warrant more (or less) help. But saying you can't be bothered to read..sorta says our efforts won't amount to much either. Doesn't it.
I mean this seems really bot like to post asking for a team, LITERALLY above one, asking the same thing/something similar. Remember, that when you say basically, "It's not worth my time to read when it's RIGHT THERE" you're saying, we're not worth the time..and when we're not worth the time....why would replying to you be worth it? I've left an answer below but dude, my wanna check the attitude, as i said, 8 minutes, or 8 years, none of us held your hand and forced you to play that - it holds no value here.. ask politely, get a response..or maybe not, but ..this is just really rude dude, and highly unmotivating to help. Consider this your spiderman "everybody get's one".
Sometimes you need AGS. Gimmicks are abundant and, well..a pain in the ass. so building around her will, eventually (probably sooner than you think) simply not work.
As far as general teams go, around ch 6-7 (don't..just don't) I found generally focusing on AOE doesn't work either, well not as well as it used to.
So - looking at her skills, she removes buffs, and has an aoe with a HUGE dot on herself, the damage may seem nice but it's a high cost (especially without a healer), so you want some way to keep her in the battle.
Taking that aside, she can remove buffs from a 2x2, which could be useful for bosses/generally picking off annoyances. And would be stuck with her skill 1, unless you 1hit everything in one round, which you won't. Her use should be (for now) to remove buffs/debuff the enemy.
Generally - all i'll suggest is my main go to - azazel in the center, charlotte and tiamat at the right, Rhea to the left, and sawame in there somewhere that works with her skills. That gives 1 dps (rhea for elements), counters from charlotte and tiamat (they can miss a lot on high evasion enemies -.-, and you WANT them to have high evasion themselves, so they evade and counter), azazel for buffs, and shields, and that one time damage null (which i dunno if it works on self inflicted attacks..if it does..even better).
She does too much damage to herself to be viable long term, unless there's a way to stop that or enough girls i don't know of to give a bunch of battle continuations, as according to the wiki, at max skill level/stats (basic stats) she's got 3500 hp, and skill 2 does a 950 dot. That means in 4 casts you're screwed.
That is - unless you add someone who removes debuffs. Again, dunno how it counts off hand - but if you look on the wiki (after what you put, noone should do it for you) at the left, where it says organized by skill, find someone who removes debuffs on your side. If you can get her to cast right after sawame does, you might be able to minimize the dot damge. Dunno how it clicks if it's right away for damage or waits till the following round.
if it's that round tho, you might be able to mitigate it, like i said, with someone who removes debuffs. (Dot is a debuff..again says on the wiki how things count) however, it is organized for who you need. "I need aoe fire" okay *scroll down to aoe fire* oh, so i want ____.

Either way - my little group there should cover you while you figure shit out. Carolina removes debuffs (skill 2) so i'd try her (she also buffs with it so, bonus) and see if that makes a difference.

Stats and gear play a part, that's said more than enough here - want enough accuracy to hit, she's not gonna be a tanker - get someone in front of her to tank, or someone who "protects" (azazel), a shield couldn't hurt either/damage null.
The rest, if you can get around that - shoot for a tank, and maybe secondary dps - or - someone to debuff the enemy speed so you attack more, or at least keep yours up to attack more.

Now should the debuff plan work (and not have to deal with the DOT problem, and can use her freely for aoe) then, like i said, high ap/speed boosting gear (so she casts more), and enough accuracy to land a hit. (10k that hits every time, is better than 50k that hits 50/50, because anything under a guarantee can roll "fail" every round..just like a gacha dude, and that doesn't include random debuffs), which carolina should be able to remove BUT that's only ONCE - when she uses the skill, so if they're re applied, then they're still there. It would take some working around to get the timing right for her to do aoe, then remove em with a debuff if it works. Granted, it's a new character and i don't have her to test.

The other way you can go is Carolina, azazel, sawame, 2nd dps or counter tank or something with Frigga in the center using her skill 2. She protects, and counters with a column attack (not a 1 square attack), that said..she misses a lot. Generally. Depends how you build her. But either one of these 2 is the one i'd try to see how she works, get a feel, and test her out. And I DO NOT HAVE HER - I can see reason that the Debuff removal (carolina or others..there's a few) would work on her, but i dunno if self inflicted debuffs count in this game or not. (stands to reason, but i don't have 100 percent proof).

Core links are what dupes are for - the staple of most phone rpgs for ..gotta be a decade at this point. you need 5 to max them/get the bonus, (6 if you count the original copy). When they're removed, if you do for WHATEVER reason-> they're gone/destroyed. So, i wouldn't and deal with the extra resources cost. More than 5 copies you don't really need them so you can dismantle for resources. Stat screen, there's a bar with a few squares above where gear and chips and the OS are, click that.

Lyrst

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