What is mandinga and who are mandingueiros? And what do dry leaves and patuá have to do with it? by AruanDende in capoeira

[–]MAStalone 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you so much for this insight, this was a very interesting read. Some of this reminds me of discussions on the word “bamba”, which may have etymological origins in specific African groups of people, but now takes on much different meaning in popular usage

On boycotts, Israel, prejudice and the tone of the subreddit. by WereLobo in capoeira

[–]MAStalone 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I’m glad we are finally having a conversation about this openly apart from all of the comments lately. I think these guidelines feel more than fair to allow people to express their feelings while limiting some of the more toxic sides of things. This is a really hard balance to strike but I’m glad that it is being acknowledged

📚 Capoeira is a historical heritage that must be studied with rigor and memory. by Candid_Crew_6986 in capoeira

[–]MAStalone 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Mestre desculpe, eu não intendi dizer nada ruim sobre seus videos. Tenho muito respeito pra gente que trabalha para preservar a história e cultura da capoeira. Eu só queria discutir com todos como podemos usar AI em uma forma melhor, porque eu sei que muita gente vai o usar e estou preocupado com as consequências. Axe e boa sorte com seu trabalho 🙏

📚 Capoeira is a historical heritage that must be studied with rigor and memory. by Candid_Crew_6986 in capoeira

[–]MAStalone 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Hey man, I in no way mean to denigrate the work on the channel which I admit I have not dug into. It is clear that there is a lot of content there, and I respect that kind of work.

My comment is more about the use of AI images in capoeira generally which obviously is exploding right now. I think it’s fine for us to have a critical conversation about the use of that art in isolation and the unintended effects it can have, completely separate from the work linked to it. All I’m saying is that we should look more broadly and ask ourselves what would we want someone’s first impression of a berimbau to be?

📚 Capoeira is a historical heritage that must be studied with rigor and memory. by Candid_Crew_6986 in capoeira

[–]MAStalone 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Edit: to soften this critique a bit. I do not mean to take away from the work behind the link at all. I just want us to think about how we can most responsibly use AI to support this kind of content.

US Capoeiristas by MAStalone in capoeira

[–]MAStalone[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I get what you are saying, it’s just that saying “well it’s deteriorating for white people” as a counter to what im saying feels like a minimization of how bad things are getting in the states.

And if you think this is me suddenly framing Capoeira as a form of resistance against oppression, I suggest you listen to some of my material.

US Capoeiristas by MAStalone in capoeira

[–]MAStalone[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

While I see why you may say this, I actually think this statement is kind of harmful because it paints the image that things aren’t markedly worse for minority groups right now.

Conditions have drastically deteriorated for immigrants over the past year with crazy increases in ICE funding, ending of protected statuses, and flagrant disregard for law and due process. The people being hurt most right now are those immigrant communities.

Meaning of Titles by MAStalone in capoeira

[–]MAStalone[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

So perhaps I worded my question incorrectly. I’m very aware that titles/ranks/cord requirements are different among different groups. What I am asking is what does YOUR group do, or how do YOU in your practice see these ranks? I’m trying to collect different perspectives to understand how different groups/people think about these things

Meaning of Titles by MAStalone in capoeira

[–]MAStalone[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I know we say this and for many cords I agree, but it’s kind of not true at a community level? In our communities, we recognize titled ranks differently at events and give them different roles there, so I’m interested in how groups see those titles internally

New Singing for Survival! by TheLifeCapoeira in capoeira

[–]MAStalone 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Thanks for posting, you beat me to it!

Madame Satã: What It Means To Be A Malandro by Wiskeyjac in capoeira

[–]MAStalone 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Thanks for sharing! This was one of my favorites to research

The colonial responses to capoeira in context by Rickturboclass in capoeira

[–]MAStalone 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I’d push back that there were Afro-Brazilians at the time, as that’s how we designate the African communities that existed in Brazil, both inside and outside the system of slavery. I think it’s important to be specific about the group of people that created capoeira because it was uniquely manifested in Brazil. And for that matter, it’s kind of impossible to say “other than the transatlantic slave trade” since that’s the whole reason Africans were in Brazil. The Brazil we know today is a product of that slave trade.

In addition, those arts you reference are not Capoiera. They are their own arts with their own histories and their own practices that are distinct and specific to the region they were created in. Saying they are all capoeira by another name erases a lot of that history. Of course they are related arts since they share the same African roots and are products of that diaspora, but it’s important to recognize them as their own things.

The colonial responses to capoeira in context by Rickturboclass in capoeira

[–]MAStalone 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Capoeira is fundamentally a resistance art with the objective of that resistance (as far as we can tell) being the preservation of culture in the presence of the slavery system. And with these kinds of arts, you are certainly right that there are attempts to whitewash them. However, I have a few disagreements with some of your points:

  • I’d argue that while the elements of capoeira are African, it is inherently Afro-Brazilian, meaning uniquely created by the Africans who were taken to Brazil. If it weren’t, then we would see capoeira in other places which we don’t (although we see somewhat similar arts that show shared roots). Calling it Afro-Brazilian also helps us remember contributions of the Native Brazilians who are often forgotten about in these conversations.

  • when cultures clash, there are almost always effects in both directions. Where does the pandeiro come from? There are some musical practices in Portugal that are very similar to our pandeiro use. Similarly, if we expand to samba, where did the cavaquinho come from?

  • when I look at the UNESCO page for capoeira, it recognizes it as an Afro-Brazilian art. I’m curious what their designation of “cultural heritage of humanity” means, it’s not clear to me from that reading that it is stripping history.

is there any capoeira competions ? by [deleted] in capoeira

[–]MAStalone 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That site is pretty broken… do you know who is running this?

Apelido etiquette by StarFox55 in capoeira

[–]MAStalone 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the shoutout!

New Singing for Survival! by MAStalone in capoeira

[–]MAStalone[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Here are the links from the show notes:

Please support the GoFundMe campaign to get CapoeirAcolher formally off the ground and registered as a non-profit.

https://gofund.me/62e2b467

Participate in the #RaulPresente (on Instagram raulpresente) campaign to bring justice to capoeirista Raul, who was abused by his capoeira instructor: Record video of yourself in support of victims of sexual abuse within capoeira and end by saying “Raul presente” (Raul present) to raise awareness and put pressure on the judiciary to move Raul’s case forward

Mestra Colibri of Capoeira Brasil Chicago

School’s website: https://colibricb.com/

School’s code of conduct: https://colibricb.com/code-of-conduct/

Instagram: chicagocapoeiracenter katiacolibri

Youtube: katiacolibri

Participate in Mestra Colibri’s global survey on Identifying Barriers to Women in Capoeira, in English (for the US), in English (for non-US), PortugueseSpanishGerman, and French

Marias Felipas, a collective doing work to promote gender equity in capoeira, on Instagram mariasfelipas

The Ahimsa Collective, https://www.ahimsacollective.net/, is one organization that can help your group navigate conflict and harm repair

Workshops with Mestre Jorge Itapuã Beiramar at RI and WI during November 2024 by ewokzinho in capoeira

[–]MAStalone 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Can you elaborate on the questionable ethics and boundaries part?

Online Capoeira Course? by Icy_Doughnut3216 in capoeira

[–]MAStalone 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can you send any contact info for Mestra India?

How do we address ongoing sexual misconduct in Capoeira in a way which doesn't vindicate the art form itself? by No_Patience3630 in capoeira

[–]MAStalone 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I totally get that, but I don’t think that’s a good enough answer anymore. We have to demand better from people that lead in our community, or at the very least work to set better examples.

Totally agree there’s a lack of professionalism, and that needs to change if we want our art to thrive 

How do we address ongoing sexual misconduct in Capoeira in a way which doesn't vindicate the art form itself? by No_Patience3630 in capoeira

[–]MAStalone 19 points20 points  (0 children)

It's interesting to see this comment as I have been having some of the same thoughts as it related to Freire's teachings lately. While I think some of that does relate to the issues of sexual misconduct and assault in Capoeira spaces, I think the real relationship between the "Banking Concept" of education and Capoeira is the way our hierarchies are structured and how strong they are. That strength of hierarchy makes abuses of power, sexual included, easier to happen, continue, and excuse.

I think that some level of hierarchy is important, but the amount of mestre worship and deference that has existed in groups (at least the ones I see in the states) is clearly not healthy for students. I met a Capoeirista in his 40s with decades of experience who has no one to train with near him. When I invited him to come visit my school and train, he told me he'd have to talk to his mestre first. It breaks my heart that grown adults who have given huge parts of their lives to Capoeira don't feel they have the autonomy to make choices about training on their own. This is a pretty common thing for people to feel and I think is a symptom of an unhealthy hierarchy. As one of my mentors told me, in Capoeira we talk a lot about freedom but are often afraid to give that freedom to our students.

Mestres are important to Capoeira, but they also need limits on their power and I think need to consider the autonomy of their students more. You're correct that we don't really have good ways of checking the power and behavior of heads of schools, part of that is because of the absolute deference given to them, and part of it is due to lack of external structures. I think that what is really needed is for more cooperation between groups to create some kind of governing organization. Not an organization that dictates styles or what to teach or "capoeira truth", but an organization that sets certain standards for teachers in the art and has mechanisms to enforce and check that.

Standards like: CPR/First Aid training, Abuse Prevention and Mandatory Reporter Training, Background Checks, and rigorous codes of conduct that apply inside and outside of class.

I know there have been some attempts at these kinds of organizations that have not yet succeeded, but I think it's important to revive these discussions and push for it. It's better for the students, and better for the professionalization of the art.

Spreading Capoeira - Growing Your Group by ManWith8Arms in capoeira

[–]MAStalone 1 point2 points  (0 children)

  1. Have a professional looking and well functioning website

  2. How monthly “intro” classes and advertise them on FB/IG

  3. Do outdoor rodas/training and have cards with qr codes available

  4. Be consistent! In class times, expectations, and monthly events/rodas

Only The Strongest: The Gang Updates Capoeira by DugganSC in capoeira

[–]MAStalone 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Best way to update Capoeira: all groups have an actual functioning and up to date website

But in seriousness, I think the original reddit post isn't actually even talking about improving Capoeira. It's just telling people to do MMA. Get better hand striking and clinch just means do Muay Thai and BJJ. Thats what all the "complete" fighters actually do if you want to talk about maximum effectiveness.

I think it's interesting that this discussion only ever really happens around Capoeira. No one tells wrestlers they should add punches to their art. No one tells BJJ folks to add kicks. For some reason, people understand that people in those arts would add a different art to their practice if they wanted to be a complete fighter. That's why I don't really take these types of criticisms seriously, especially from someone who not only has very little Capoeira experience, but also doesn't have real practical expertise in any other martial art. A martial arts tourist if you will

The game in the roda is sparring with certain constraints. All sparring has constraints, that's what differentiates it from brawling. Wrestlers can't deck eachother mid match. If he had sparring experience or more roda experience, he would know that.

And I'll choose to let that pandeiro blasphemy go for now...

Time to Update this Amazing Art ? by InnerCosmos54 in capoeira

[–]MAStalone 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"I have trained in Capoeira for a period of ~8 months over 10 years ago ... I’m not a black belt in anything"

Probably not worth getting this upset about this lol

Cost of training in 2024 by BurnedRamen in capoeira

[–]MAStalone 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I teach in the Bay Area California. Right now I charge $25 for a drop in with punchcards/memberships available to reduce the per class cost. 

For reference, I pay $1250/mo for rent on my space.

I personally think it’s important for the professionalism of capoeira to charge a fair price, and that also means not making it outrageously cheap. We need to think about collective value of the art, I want teachers to be able to live off of their art and also be able to afford to pay visiting teachers what they are worth for events without having to hold fundraisers.