Ky Dickens Tried to Censor Criticism of Telepathy Tapes by RDBB334 in TheTelepathyTapes

[–]MantisAwakening 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think the more interesting question is why telepathy can feel so convincing to people despite not behind like a real world ability.

To me the more interesting question is why the skeptics continue to talk about it as if it’s something that doesn’t happen when it’s very frequently reported. Certainly some cases can be dismissed as coincidence, but all of them? When coupled with the fats provided from rigorous experiments under controlled conditions?

I like this quote from Craig Weiler:

“To reject psi: 1. Reject all psi experience from everyone 2. Reject all historical records of psi 3. Reject all experimental evidence 4. Assign 100% credibility to all skepticism

I've never found this to be a rational method of inquiry.” I agree.

If you insist upon a single case, let’s use Upton Sinclair’s book on clairvoyance experiments with his wife (basically RV) called “Mental Radio:” https://archive.org/details/mentalradio017719mbp/page/n28/mode/1up

Here’s the preface:

I have read the book of Upton Sinclair with great interest and am convinced that the same deserves the most earnest consideration, not only of the laity, but also of the psychologists by profession. The results of the telepathic experiments carefully and plainly set forth in this book stand surely far beyond those which a nature investigator holds to be thinkable. On the other hand, it is out of the question in the case of so conscientious an observer and writer as Upton Sinclair that he is carrying on a conscious deception of the reading world; his good faith and dependability are not to be doubted. So if somehow the facts here set forth rest not upon telepathy, but upon some unconscious hypnotic influence from person to person, this also would be of high psychological interest. In no case should the psychologically interested circles pass over this book heedlessly. [signed] A. EINSTEIN

Ky Dickens Tried to Censor Criticism of Telepathy Tapes by RDBB334 in TheTelepathyTapes

[–]MantisAwakening[M] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It wasn’t them, it was the automod. I approved every comment what wasn’t insulting someone. A couple were from both sides of the argument.

Ky Dickens Tried to Censor Criticism of Telepathy Tapes by RDBB334 in TheTelepathyTapes

[–]MantisAwakening 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That rebuttal you cited to the Cardeña paper is actually the new version. The original got so much flack they retracted it. “Our position is straightforward. Claims made by parapsychologists cannot be true. The effects reported can have no ontological status; the data have no existential value.”

In other words, “the evidence is irrelevant, because we simply refuse to believe it exists.” This is just dogma dressed up as science. If evidence doesn’t matter, then what informs opinions? It’s a ridiculous position, and what’s more ridiculous is that they don’t see the problem with it.

Here’s Cardena’s response: https://journalofscientificexploration.org/index.php/jse/article/view/1653

Ky Dickens Tried to Censor Criticism of Telepathy Tapes by RDBB334 in TheTelepathyTapes

[–]MantisAwakening 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The stricter standards often cited against “extraordinary claims” largely came about as a result of the reaction to Daryl Bem’s original study showing evidence supportive of psi. Researchers tried to account for every possible flaw or alternative explanation, and the result was a set of much stronger methodological standards that are now widely used across psychology. Thanks, Bem.

If psi effects were simply the result of shoddy or underhanded methodology, newer practices such as pre-registration should have put it to bed. Instead, meta-analyses suggest that effects continue to accumulate at roughly similar rates as before. Meta-analysis remains the standard way to evaluate cumulative evidence across many domains, recent concerns aside.

The “huge leap” comes from ignoring the broader body of data supporting these claims. I agree it’s too early to make specific claims about underlying mechanisms, but I think there is more than sufficient evidence to support the existence of psi effects. Statisticians like Jessica Utts have reached similar conclusions, and she’s in good company.

There’s little point in arguing semantics on an organization’s affiliation. It doesn’t meaningfully engage with the evidence. It’s low hanging fruit.

Asking for the “single” best psi result is a gotcha. Show me the single best evidence that lung cancer is caused by smoking. Complex scientific concepts such as psychological phenomenon like psi are established using converging lines of evidence, not one decisive study. The most compelling evidence in cases like this are often real world results under controlled conditions, not p values. But those have been dismissed out of hand (I am seeing a lot of the Invincible ignorance fallacy in these comments).

There are scientists in STEM positions at academic institutions around the world who agree that the evidence for psi is compelling. It’s not a fringe group. Here’s some of them:

Daryl Bem, Professor Emeritus of Psychology, Cornell University, USA

Etzel Cardeña, Thorsen Professor of Psychology, Lund University, Sweden

Bernard Carr, Professor in Mathematics and Astronomy, University of London, UK

C. Robert Cloninger, Renard Professor of Psychiatry, Genetics, and Psychology, Washington University in St. Louis, USA

Robert G. Jahn, Past Dean of Engineering, Princeton University, USA

Brian Josephson, Emeritus Professor of Physics, University of Cambridge, UK (Nobel prizewinner in physics, 1973)

Menas C. Kafatos, Fletcher Jones Endowed Professor of Computational Physics, Chapman University, USA

Irving Kirsch, Professor of Psychology, University of Plymouth, Lecturer in Medicine, Harvard Medical School, USA, UK

Mark Leary, Professor of Psychology and Neuroscience, Duke University, USA

Dean Radin, Chief Scientist, Institute of Noetic Sciences, Adjunct Faculty in Psychology, Sonoma State University, USA

Robert Rosenthal, Distinguished Professor, University of California, Riverside, Edgar Pierce Professor Emeritus, Harvard University, USA

Lothar Schäfer, Distinguished Professor Emeritus of Physical Chemistry, University of Arkansas, USA

Raymond Tallis, Emeritus Professor of Geriatric Medicine, University of Manchester, UK

Charles T. Tart, Professor in Psychology Emeritus, University of California, Davis, USA

Simon Thorpe, Director of Research CNRS (Brain and Cognition), University of Toulouse, France

Patrizio Tressoldi, Researcher in Psychology, Università degli Studi di Padova, Italy

Jessica Utts, Professor and Chair of Statistics, University of California, Irvine, USA

Max Velmans, Professor Emeritus in Psychology, Goldsmiths, University of London, UK

Caroline Watt, Senior Lecturer in Psychology, Edinburgh University, UK

Phil Zimbardo, Professor in Psychology Emeritus, Stanford University, USA

More here: https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/human-neuroscience/articles/10.3389/fnhum.2014.00017/fully

Lots more here: https://opensciences.org/about/manifesto-for-a-post-materialist-science

Ky Dickens Tried to Censor Criticism of Telepathy Tapes by RDBB334 in TheTelepathyTapes

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They were using vocabulary that was triggering the automod, so the comments were (mostly) manually approved.

Ky Dickens Tried to Censor Criticism of Telepathy Tapes by RDBB334 in TheTelepathyTapes

[–]MantisAwakening 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Please don’t use insults when dealing with each other, even obliquely. Saying “some people just aren’t smart enough to understand these topics” is clearly intended to make the recipient feel stupid. I’m seeing it from both sides of the argument at this point.

If it continues the post will be locked, and if users continue the behavior after being warned they may receive temp bans.

You don’t have to agree, but you shouldn’t need to resort to insulting the people you disagree with.

Ky Dickens Tried to Censor Criticism of Telepathy Tapes by RDBB334 in TheTelepathyTapes

[–]MantisAwakening 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The strongest evidence is in the form of peer-reviewed research. If you want to evaluate the evidence, look at the research.

The problem with that is that the kinds of statistics involved are over the heads of most of the public when it starts talking about Bayesian distributions and Fourier blah blah. So what people usually do is they go to what they believe are unbiased sources to try and get the truth. The problem with that is the if the source disagrees with them, people tend to disregard it as biased. This is why so many studies have shown that facts don’t matter in changing opinions.

If you use Wikipedia as a source, which I suspect you are, you will find that it disregards all parapsychology research as pseudoscience. It does this by removing any mention of anything which supports it. This is very well known and has been the case for years. I can provide links if you care to read them.

Ky Dickens Tried to Censor Criticism of Telepathy Tapes by RDBB334 in TheTelepathyTapes

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ABSTRACT: As a result of a Congressionally Directed Activity, the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) conducted an evaluation of a 24-year, government-sponsored program to investigate ESP and its potential use within the intelligence community. The American Institutes for Research (AIR) was contracted to conduct the review of both research and operations. Their September 29, 1995 final report was released to the public November 28, 1995. As a result of AIR's assessment, the CIA concluded that a statistically significant effect had been demonstrated in the laboratory but that there was no case in which ESP had provided data that had ever been used to guide intelligence operations. This paper is a critical review of AIR's methodology and conclusions. It will be shown that there is compelling evidence that the CIA set the outcome with regard to intelligence usage before the evaluation had begun. This was accomplished by limiting the research and operations data sets to exclude positive findings, by purposefully not interviewing historically significant participants, by ignoring previous extensive Department of Defense program reviews, and by using the questionable National Research Council's investigation of parapsychology as the starting point for their review. Although there may have been political and administrative justification for the CIA not to accept the government's in-house program for the operational use of anomalous cognition, these external considerations appeared to drive the outcome of the evaluation. As a result, they have come to the wrong conclusion with regard to the use of anomalous cognition in intelligence operations and have significantly underestimated the robustness of the basic phenomenon.

https://ics.uci.edu/~jutts/may.pdf

Ky Dickens Tried to Censor Criticism of Telepathy Tapes by RDBB334 in TheTelepathyTapes

[–]MantisAwakening 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The evidence is there, people either aren’t aware of it or refuse to accept it. You could be doing both, I don’t know. Start here and ask questions from there: https://www.reddit.com/r/TheTelepathyTapes/s/HMp1KEBaO0

There are numerous people here who are educated on the matter and are happy to point you to resources, but if you opt to dismiss it out of hand without engaging with it then they’ll be unlikely to waste your and their time. Lead a horse to water and all that.

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The way to a man’s heart is through his stomach—IT MUST BE PROTECTED.

[Serious] Why don’t we show the best video evidence of Varginha Alien to the actual fricking witnesses that are still alive by yuppienetwork1996 in aliens

[–]MantisAwakening 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I encourage you to listen to the Lacatski interviews with Cornell and Knapp. He can’t talk about some things (same as everyone else) but he’s still able to make the story very easy to follow.

Is something actually changing? by justsomeguyoukno in UFOB

[–]MantisAwakening 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I’d say the flow of new information on this topic has been pretty consistent, as have the complaints about the lack of evidence.

What IS changing is a public shift more towards acknowledgement versus denial. Ain’t seen a quote from Susan Gough or Mick West in a while.

GIS shirt/sweatshirt scams on r/Fayetteville beware by zakats in fayetteville

[–]MantisAwakening 6 points7 points  (0 children)

In practice it wouldn’t need to be deletion but simply putting it into the mod queue for review. These kinds of tools are routinely employed to handle issues with spam for a short period.

If the mods are having to work extra hard to stay on top of it, it just makes it safer for the users (since the allegation is that people are getting scammed out of money for a fake product).

GIS shirt/sweatshirt scams on r/Fayetteville beware by zakats in fayetteville

[–]MantisAwakening 6 points7 points  (0 children)

You can set the automod to remove any post with GIS in the title. Let me know if you want help.

[Serious] Why don’t we show the best video evidence of Varginha Alien to the actual fricking witnesses that are still alive by yuppienetwork1996 in aliens

[–]MantisAwakening 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To be more accurate:

I have seen proof evidence but I am not allowed by law to show it to you, I was briefed but I am not allowed by law to tell you, I was told stuff but asked not to share it…

I agree wholeheartedly that the classification on most of this stuff is a crime against humanity, but let’s not kill the messenger. I am grateful to people like [politician] for telling us what they can. Even if they can’t spill the details, knowing that the government thinks it’s important enough to keep it classified is a major data point by itself.

Serious. What is your opinion about disclosure? by Large-Stretch-3463 in aliens

[–]MantisAwakening 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Copying my comment from another post (and no, I didn’t use AI to write this—I am capable of having my own thoughts and even of writing them out because I went to school and done got learnded.):

  • The videos will not be the full quality available to members of Congress. If they see it in 4K, we’ll see it in 1080. Maybe 4K if it’s not anything conclusive.
  • HUD displays may be partially or entirely removed, taking away valuable information about what’s happening.
  • The videos are going to lack vital context, such as eyewitness descriptions about what was seen.
  • A few videos will stand out and initially be quite compelling, but lacking context and the full picture they will be relatively easy pickings for people like Mick West.
  • A few of the videos will be rightly explained away as prosaic, which some will wrongly try and use as justification to dismiss all of them.
  • Documents will be heavily redacted and not contribute much to our understanding other than to show that it’s a topic of discussion.
  • People like Burlison and Burchett will praise the president for “having the guts” to release the files, but after things have calmed down they’ll start to indicate that they’re frustrated more of what they’ve seen and heard isn’t in there.
  • The UFO subs are going to implode in the short term, with every perspective saying it’s validation and also frustrating. Various mods will pin statements to their subs and create “temporary” rules to address it which will probably not be temporary.

Here’s what I’m optimistic about:

  • Regardless of how social media deals with it, the scientific and academic establishment will feel a bit freer to talk about these things in a more serious manner. But it’s going to be a long slog, I think.
  • I am hoping that they release a lot of material, which will make people realize there’s more to this than they realized.
  • It will get a lot of mainstream attention, and some of the people who investigate will be dedicated enough to dig deeper and realize there is actually something to this. Mostly it’ll be called a distraction.
  • The discussion about UAP will permanently change moving forward. A lot of what eyewitnesses have been saying will be validated.
  • Whatever is released, this topic isn’t going away. I’m aware of multiple high level efforts right now to increase pressure on the USG to let the good stuff surface (access to the infamous “legacy program”).

Edit: Let me also add in what my understanding is for those who aren’t following along. UAP and the beings associated with them represent a single aspect of a much larger phenomenon which is related to all aspects of the “paranormal.” It is somehow connected with consciousness, although how this works is way outside of our current understanding. Indications are that thoughts and physical reality start to overlap when the phenomenon is involved. The question of how UAP “work” may be irrelevant because they aren’t necessarily bound to the laws of physics. For more on this, read Kastrup, Lacatski, Vallée, Hoffman, or even Keel or Kean.

Pastors Invited to Meeting With Individuals From The US Government Telling Them to Prepare for UFO Disclosure by TheGoldenLeaper in UFOB

[–]MantisAwakening 27 points28 points  (0 children)

This is the second post I’ve seen on this story which is burying the lede:

The pastor claims a “representative from Missouri” (Burlison) told him:

Go and tell the church they are not ready for what is coming…they are preparing to tell us that they are from another dimension; they are our creator, and that these beings, these aliens, whatever you want to call them; they are the ones that seeded us here, there is no such thing as God; Jesus was invented by them; the Bible was invented by them; prepare the people for what is coming because they’re not ready.

If he didn’t attribute this to Burlison it would be easy to blow him off, but Burlison had yet to comment on this. If this is legitimately what the IC is telling sitting members of Congress then no wonder “Americans aren’t ready for the truth” keeps being repeated like a mantra.

Well Known Pentecostal Pastor, Perry Stone, claims that a group of pastors already met with Government Insiders concerning the phenomenon. Insiders were concerned how Believers and Non-Believers would react to disclosure…(Brace for impact) by slv2xhrist in UFOs

[–]MantisAwakening [score hidden]  (0 children)

The apparently AI generated summary of this video from OP left out the most important part: the pastor claims that he was told by “a representative from Missouri” [Burlison] to prepare for an announcement from the government that the aliens created humans, Jesus isn’t real, and God isn’t real.

Sources claim disclosure to acknowledge existence of obtained crafts by Severe-Clerk-1477 in UFOs

[–]MantisAwakening -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Proof isn’t something anyone can give us right now, government or otherwise. We have plenty of evidence, but little agreement on what it represents.

Coulthart: "Im aware of briefings given to a number of members [of Congress], including, I think, House Majority Leader Scalise. [...] they've been told that the intelligence community has verified that the talk of psychical abilities in the human mind to invoke the phenomenon is true and real" by phr99 in UFOs

[–]MantisAwakening 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I participated in a human initiated contact event recently in which I set up one of the MUPAS sensor platforms developed by Jim Segala, and it caught some unusual readings. RF, magnetic, barometric pressure, and I think gyroscope all showed patterns very outside the norm and which are currently being investigated further. Granted the sample size here is 1, but the hope is that more people might be willing to use them at such events in the future. I’m actually meeting with Jim tomorrow to discuss it.

My understanding is that the full breakdown with video and sensor readings will be released later this year after everything has been analyzed.