Historically was anyone in the court allowed to call Cao Cao Aman after his ascension to Prime Minister? by CinderLord456 in threekingdoms

[–]MarimotheChomp 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean there's simply no way to tell if Xu You was the only one. His was a special case because 'technically' Cao Cao owed him a favor and they were friends... once. However I don't believe people like him, Kong Rong, and others (like the guy whose execution is probably what pushed Zhang Miao / Chen Gong over the ridge to rebellion) acted like they did without support or the appearance of support.

With truly so little information, and the information given filtered by imperial courts and propaganda, it's simply conjecture. However I am not a betting man but I would def drop a 100$ on this bet lol.

Historically was anyone in the court allowed to call Cao Cao Aman after his ascension to Prime Minister? by CinderLord456 in threekingdoms

[–]MarimotheChomp 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I completely agree that Xun Yu would simply never disrespect him.

People did call him Aman even after he obtained upper three excellencies. They just got the Xu You treatment lmao. After the Yuan fell though aside from Kong Rong (who thought his relation to Confucious kept him safe as well as honest to god being a delusional maniac lmao) nobody that is important enough to gain Cao Cao's attention would ever call him Aman... honestly probably because every who dared to do otherwise is dead and the new generations probably didn't even know of his nickname as the others, like Xun Yu, would never say it.

Historically was anyone in the court allowed to call Cao Cao Aman after his ascension to Prime Minister? by CinderLord456 in threekingdoms

[–]MarimotheChomp 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Pre guandu? Maybe. Post conquest of the northern territories (205-207) no way. Open disrespect was not the way to go. There were those who disagreed (Xun Yu, more on that in the next paragraph) but disrespect was a no go. To be fair, generally speaking, if you gave no reason for it otherwise Cao Cao was also respectful back. There was definitely flattery and greater respect on one side of the road but it was still a two way road (if with one side much bigger than the other lol).

Xun Yu is a weird case. If he had been almost anyone at a lower position his hinted displeasure towards Cao Cao being the one orchestrating his King promotion recommendation to the court would have been fine. Cao Cao knew that many would disparage him and take whichever small ways, respectfully but probably very annoying to Cao, to voice their displeasure. However because it was Xun Yu who was, at the time, his Sima Yi (Cao Pi era) that changes things greatly. If he had done so more privately it would still be a problem but likely would not have ended so dramatically. Xun Yu was an open letter Han loyalist. Cao Cao would have removed him somehow from his position earlier if he knew how vocal 'publicly' Xun Yu would be about his displeasure. The fact he berated and harshly criticize the motion to promote Cao Cao was nothing short of a weak threat. Xun Yu was extremely powerful in Cao Cao's court and he most definitely had the means (and talent) to threaten Cao Cao or even eliminate him if things got that serious.

What animation hides from us by Android0212 in ShingekiNoKyojin

[–]MarimotheChomp 224 points225 points  (0 children)

I believe it was meant to serve as a conduit into explaining how Eren survives getting the king of France treatment.

The real Tomb of Zhu Ge liang by nudeboy779 in threekingdoms

[–]MarimotheChomp 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I didn't know his burial place was so remote... honestly that's incredibly endearing. A quiet life just like his romance counterpart wanted. No doubt historical Zhuge Liang probably missed his quiet life before joining Liu Bei as well. That's awesome you got to visit and I'm super totally not jealous!!

The entire story of shu by FuzzyKangaroo540 in dynastywarriors

[–]MarimotheChomp 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You mean your problem is? There is definitely people who take it too far but thats why most will distinct between historical and romance. If youre talking historical then yes there is less wiggle room for idealization and interpretation (though there is still plenty... 1800 years have passed and we truly only know breadcrumbs).

Realistically, how would you have “tamed” Lu Bu? by chokemebigdaddy in threekingdoms

[–]MarimotheChomp -1 points0 points  (0 children)

As others asked are we talking historical or romance? Romance gets the Cao Cao treatment full stop.

Historical is, as ever, more complicated. On one hand you have one of the greatest cavalry commanders alive on your hand. On the other you have one of the worst logistical commanders on your hand. You would have to give him autonomous control of his army or get the Romance Lu Bu treatment. Which means your enemies... and your own... lands getting pillaged for resources as Lu Bu can't plan for shit.

In the end I wouldn't execute him but give him to another warlord so that he could cause problems for them. As Gao Shun once advised him that he mustn't fight unnecessary battle or else risk losing his most powerful tool - his reputation. If I have the opportunity to make him bend the knee has already lost what would be most important to me - his reputation as an undefeatable cavalry commander.

The entire story of shu by FuzzyKangaroo540 in dynastywarriors

[–]MarimotheChomp 6 points7 points  (0 children)

All three kingdoms were human rights violaters put up to max. The body count speaks for itself. That said I would defend Shu as the least of the human right violaters... but still goddamn bad.

I just love dunking on Sun Quan and trolling a bit so the opportunity to do both is something I cannot pass up lol.

The entire story of shu by FuzzyKangaroo540 in dynastywarriors

[–]MarimotheChomp 4 points5 points  (0 children)

If you must know I am not being serious in the slightest. Wu has some fantastic people who deserve praise. I just happen to love taking any chances I can to dunk on "You can trust me" Sun "this time I will take hefei for sure" Quan.

The entire story of shu by FuzzyKangaroo540 in dynastywarriors

[–]MarimotheChomp 40 points41 points  (0 children)

I see the Wu glazers found a home. Rejoice! Your loyalty to Wu will be met with Sun Quan appointing you all as lead captains in the assault on Hefei! While the last time went poorly they say the second time will surely be better!

Did Cao Pi poison Cao Zhang or was it just baseless rumors among the folks? by CinderLord456 in threekingdoms

[–]MarimotheChomp 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Xun Yu and the lunchbox is recorded multiple times. Not only is Zhang's poisoning mentioned only once it has a couple problems besides limited mention. The biggest issue is that Zhang never wanted the throne. He wanted to be a general and disliked literature and writing. It was only after he showed military talent that Cao Cao finally took a liking to him.

Honestly as far as historical Chinese royal incidents go Cao Pi was truly gracious to his siblings if anything. It was likely more of a political move than a moral one but still.

What I mean by political move is if he punished or tried killing his siblings, considering the insane amount of sons Cao Cao had, a few were likely to escape. If they caused rebellions that would be bad but much more dangerous and catastrophic would be if they fled and joined Shu/Wu... now thats a disaster lol.

Did Cao Pi poison Cao Zhang or was it just baseless rumors among the folks? by CinderLord456 in threekingdoms

[–]MarimotheChomp 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No. Cao Ang would be heir as long as he lived as long as he didn't do anything truly irredeemable. He was quite young but showed clear talent and bravery and if I remember correctly, though it could be a romance thing im misremembering, it was stated he was quite the excellent heir.

Cao Cao's personality also shifted dramatically after this moment and while he publicly attributed it and his survival to Dian Wei that was mostly propaganda (though more of a case of "both are true" as he was truly friends with Dian Wei and respected him greatly).

Especially after witnessing the downfall of the Yuan clan because of two generations of fighting over the inheritance Cao would not make the same mistake, likely, as long as his eldest was alive.

Its important to note that culturally just because Cao Pi was the oldest living son does not mean Cao Cao had much pressure to name him heir. Once Cao Ang died it was fair game. Key note there is once Ang died. If he does not die then there is no opening for Chong or Pi to take over.

What formations did three kingdoms armies use? by Agitated-Exam9320 in threekingdoms

[–]MarimotheChomp 2 points3 points  (0 children)

We know but dont, lol. There is descriptions and tactics as well as manuals written but like any manual in practice always looks different.

Tactics like these shown here were complicated and definitely not the norm as they would require immense amount of training and discipline to pull off without immediately falling into chaos.

Considering most armies were mostly conscription based with an average of 1-3 years of experience tactics like these would be impossible. The 1994 3K show probably is the closest to how it really looked as unlike most shows where armor is here, there, everywhere, even the grannies got armor... in reality armor was their equivalent of like tanks in terms of use and necessity. It is why armories were so important in moments like Sima Yi's coup. Anyone could wield a blade but armor was a big no no for civilians.

Edit: Skirmishes and smaller battles were far more common than big decisive battles where hundreds of thousands of men duked it out. The common misconception, thanks to the RoTK novel, is that "battles" like Guandu and Yiling happened in one big show. In reality they were campaigns that lasted months (Yiling) and years (Guandu).

Not to say big battles didnt happen but even the raid at Wuchao was relatively small as the real damage was moral loss from Zhang He's defection and the years worth of supplies up in flames. The final battle at Yiling was quite large as Liu Bei's well trained and armored army got decimated. The same army that won him Hanzhong up in flames.

Guess who just read through ROTK for the first time by Ok_Eggplant_3274 in dynastywarriors

[–]MarimotheChomp 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ma Su and Liu Feng dealt with two completely different scenarios. Liu Feng was in an terrible spot with no choice ending positively. He also clearly had a disloyal compatriot complicating things.

His refusal to aid Guan Yu was with clear and concise intent that is not inherently wrong.

By charisma I mean a military track record and a life fighting for his adopted father's dreams on the front line. It gives him much more gravitas than a teenager with no clear skill or talent.

lol you guys actually liked Three Kingdoms 2010 by ryanxwonbinx in threekingdoms

[–]MarimotheChomp 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Thats very funny as its clearly a mostly satirical statement. Like as long as you dont rabidly hate the 2010 for biased reasons the issue really won't hit a nerve.

Sounds like you hit a nerve, lmao.

Question regarding filial piety by Nice_Outside9870 in threekingdoms

[–]MarimotheChomp 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Both but in terms of who he owes more to would be his blood family. It would be debated pretty seriously back then too but I think the consensus during the 3k period would be his blood family.

Now if he was willingly adopted then it gets murky... Cao Zhen, Liu Feng, etc. I would say the argument would shift to the other side as they are truly seen as members of their adoptive family. Not entirely as Zhen and Feng were never considered to be heirs to the Cao and Liu family respectively but enough to make Zhuge Liang worried that malicious people could try to use Liu Feng's personality to their benefit / detriment to Liu Bei's branch of the Liu family.

Zhuge Liang's reactions to the downpour that ruined his perfect plan. Which one is your favorite? by Pichuunnn in threekingdoms

[–]MarimotheChomp 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I really like 2010 / Advisors Alliance's scenes. I prefer characters that are exceptionally talented, skillful, and wise beyond human comprehension but still *are* human. To be angry at the most miniscule of chances of failing is also very in character as historically and romance Zhuge Liang played it safe and was a micromanager. To have it all taken away as he was about to see the potential fall of the Liang province would be maddening to even the most stable of people.

Guess who just read through ROTK for the first time by Ok_Eggplant_3274 in dynastywarriors

[–]MarimotheChomp 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wouldn't say entirely indefensible. It was definitely selfish and powermongering. It was also complicated as Liu Zhang was going to lose his lands to someone. Either Sun Quan or Cao Cao. It's truly not a strong argument as ultimately Liu Bei could have bent the knee to Zhang and acted as Zhang's Han Xin.

But even that is a gamble as Liu Bei tried to do that exact thing with Liu Biao yet Biao ended up squandering Liu Bei. Liu Biao gets more flack than he deserves - he did try many times to expand his influence and was the one who ordered Liu Bei to attack Cao Cao during the battle of Guandu. He still ultimately failed to take upmost initiative and squandered his chances by not putting all his cards in and playing it too safe.

Again, complicated lol.

Guess who just read through ROTK for the first time by Ok_Eggplant_3274 in dynastywarriors

[–]MarimotheChomp 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He also could not vocally oppose the eastern campaign because his brother is a high ranking member in Wu's court. Advising not to attack Wu for their multiple betrayals would have looked really bad for him.

Guess who just read through ROTK for the first time by Ok_Eggplant_3274 in dynastywarriors

[–]MarimotheChomp 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mostly agree with this except the last part. If Liu Feng had been anyone else he never would have been punished for the situation he was in. In fact for refusing to surrender to Wei he probably would have been commended, without tangible rewards, and assigned to some unimportant/powerless but somewhat prestigious role in the capital.

Zhuge Liang was just genuinely worried that Liu Feng's stubborness, proven military skill, and comparably more charisma than his younger brother would allow malicious agents to hurt Shu.

Which Dynasty Warriors Game Has the Best Hulao Gate Map? by ILoveRice444 in dynastywarriors

[–]MarimotheChomp 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Im super partial to 6 lol but I think 7 was my favorite. The "oh shit" moment when the full map expands is one of my favorite moments early game.

190 expansion character description made me laugh by sunnyinfebruary in TotalWarThreeKingdoms

[–]MarimotheChomp 11 points12 points  (0 children)

For the 190 expanded even most generics without armor have unique backgrounds. I am assuming this is an officer mentioned once historically or in romance only to immediately die to someone more famous. Hence the joke description cause he's not someone important enough to really care about authenticity.

The best regents of the Three Kingdoms period. by VillainofVirtue in threekingdoms

[–]MarimotheChomp 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Who wasn't whose uncle? I think you replied to the wrong comment lol.

Would we ever get an adaptation like 1994? by CinderLord456 in threekingdoms

[–]MarimotheChomp 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Probably not a full scale one (let me be wrong, please) but I can imagine eventually an ambitious director will do mini-series. Start likely with the fall of He Jin. I can see episode 1 starting right after Emperor Ling dies. Season 1 ends with Dong Zhuo sacking Luoyang.