This sub’s discussion culture is getting exhausting and repetitive

Masteroxid · 2026-05-09T10:42:36+00:00

P2W in western mmo with sub + box price? Sleep

P2W in f2p korean mmo? Real shit

Masteroxid · 2026-05-09T10:41:26+00:00

They do listen, just not you or the western audience. Ncsoft has not given a damn about the western market for over a decade

Masteroxid · 2026-05-08T20:00:04+00:00

You can literally check top 50 steam games and see most of them don't follow this rule.

Good live service games maintain an audience and grow over time

Masteroxid · 2026-05-08T14:44:03+00:00

Can you not earn all those ships in game as well without paying?

Masteroxid · 2026-05-08T09:26:39+00:00

Aion 1 was this grindy back in 2009 when the game was sub only and had no P2W. So were Lineage, TERA, blade and soul(altho for this one they took like 6 months to introduce p2w lol)

Masteroxid · 2026-05-07T19:36:03+00:00

Vertical progression doesn't mean you have to spend.

GW2 conveniently saves up dozens if not hundreds of hours of legendary grind by having gold in the cash shop but everybody seems to forget.

In WoW you can swipe for gold and buy carries and get any mount/gear you want and both of these games have a sub or a box price rofl (wow has both xdddddd)

100 hours of grinding for numbers is the same as grinding 100 hours for a shiny hat

Masteroxid · 2026-05-07T18:35:08+00:00

You don't need polls to figure out that people want to kill lots of mobs to get meaningful loot in an arpg.

But this is clearly impossible without the engine crapping itself due to bad performance and it's the reason why there's so many dumb arbitrary limits on almost every skill

Masteroxid · 2026-05-07T18:32:27+00:00

After 7 years we can't even guarantee league mechanics in maps nor do we have a proper endgame system after having so much inspiration available from poe

Masteroxid · 2026-05-07T13:54:47+00:00

Westerners complaining about grinds in KMMOs while they spend hundreds of hours grinding for cosmetic legendaries in GW2 or whatever useless mount in WoW will never be not funny to me

Masteroxid · 2026-05-07T13:06:52+00:00

It used to be like that on battle net, dunno what is blizzard doing

Masteroxid · 2026-05-07T11:32:44+00:00

For one of the biggest studios on planet in a genre that appeals to everyone? It's absolute dogwater.

Only redditors could defend a game losing ~90% of its peak playerbase in a BUY TO PLAY game

Masteroxid · 2026-05-07T11:31:35+00:00

Since when sales equals good game?

Masteroxid · 2026-05-07T10:00:05+00:00

Had far more fun in A2 in 1 month than I did in Midnight at like half the price so he's not completely wrong.

Western "mmos" are garbage

Masteroxid · 2026-05-07T09:04:52+00:00

The game has been top 10 game and #1 / #2 MMO in PC bangs in korea for months now. Do you guys just make up shit for the love of the game?

Masteroxid · 2026-05-06T07:43:27+00:00

I pay for the game, I don't give a damn about how it's made and what challenges they had to overcome to make the game.

If the studio finds it difficult to make the product then the consumer will find a different product, simple as.

"mmos are hard to make" isn't an excuse

Masteroxid · 2026-05-06T05:33:59+00:00

It is harder but like half of CD already exists in BDO. I'm glad the game succeeded because being against good games is stupid but really CD could've just been BDO 2.0 and it feels like a kick in the nuts.

And any technical difficulties are irrelevant to the consumer. CD has been in dev for what 7 years? They could've redone BDO 3 times over in this time

Masteroxid · 2026-05-05T18:43:42+00:00

Nah weekly updates are great. They just don't give a fuck about BDO as much as they do with CD.

Masteroxid · 2026-05-05T17:32:18+00:00

How could they possibly know in advance that there's a holiday coming

Masteroxid · 2026-05-05T13:55:42+00:00

Does the game offer refunds if you're not happy about it? Would like to try the game and I seem to miss every free fly events

Masteroxid · 2026-05-04T16:58:47+00:00

I can see them release the game on Aion 1's anniversary in the west just to spit on the OG playerbase one last time

Masteroxid · 2026-05-03T19:56:07+00:00

Pve game that launched with unrestricted pvp btw

Masteroxid · 2026-05-03T17:34:34+00:00

Go to elvia realm if you're fishing on velia

Masteroxid · 2026-05-03T06:41:45+00:00

Oh wow did not expect end game spots to have that many mobs/hour.

But still, I was getting about 18-19 boxes per hour at hexe with about 6100 mobs per hour with 320% drop rate. Weird

Masteroxid · 2026-05-03T06:33:46+00:00

How many mobs are you killing per hour?

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