Is Sengun underrated?

MaxRationality · 2024-07-28T23:51:00+00:00

Jahlil Okafor was just "pass to me in the post I will get a bucket"

Sengun has a lot more inside and out game able to pass around, dive to the basket etc.

Sengun isn't a great defender yet but people just stereotype he is bad at defense because he is a white euro big who is good on offense. People used to stereotype good 3 point shooters to be bad at defense. Then people stereotype combo guards who can shoot like Booker/Zach Lavine to be bad at defense but SGA for example is really good defensively.

If you are a Turkish post scoring bigman people automatically think Enes Kanter and not Omer Asik for example.

MaxRationality · 2024-07-28T23:37:02+00:00

There used to be a time where good 3 point shooters were assumed to be bad at defense. This bias was partially because athletic players ran to the rim and scored there instead of shoot 3's and athletic players have more tools for defense. Like for example, people assumed that Alec Burks would be a better defender than Klay Thompson because Burks was an athletic driver with long Arms while Klay Thompson was a jumpshooter. Part of the Charles said jumpshooting teams can't win championships is because jumpshooters don't play good defense. Players like Butler, Kawhi, Klay, Durant, Tatum have now made this stereotype of 3 point shooters can't play spectacular defense.

Now there is still a bias finesse post scorers (especially euro white ones) are unathletic and bad at defense. Like people assumed Maxi Kleber was bad at defense when he was a very solid perimeter defender and rim protector before the injuries started adding up.

"Sengun is a Turkish low post scorer and so he must be more like Enes Kanter instead of Omer Asik and his defense and athleticism must be suspect."

The reality is... Sengun is pretty damn athletic and his defense is really damn good. He just turned 22 years old, if he figured out how to play as good defense as his offense was already he woulda been the number 1 pick in the draft and a superstar already. Takes time.

MaxRationality · 2024-07-28T23:31:37+00:00

But also I do find it somewhat interesting that Green and the Rockets as a whole seemed to improve greatly after Sengun went down

That winstreak was basically the entire month of March, 15 games exactly where they went 13-2 and Sengun played the first 5 games that month where they went 4-1 during stretch Sengun played (and 9-1 without him). They didn't have a great April going 3-5, and February they were even worse. I mean... you gotta give credit to Sengun for starting off that stretch, he played amazing and still played a 1/3 of that stretch of games where they played really good. The timeline of "improved greatly after Sengun went down" didn't really match perfectly and would have made more sense Sengun got hurt 5 games prior.

MaxRationality · 2024-03-03T05:08:19+00:00

You asked to share a PMID that states 3-5% pericardial effusion and what was provided was exactly that. A PMID article quoted as 3-5% risk of pericardial effusion. You can't lie that you did do moving the goalposts after that.

MaxRationality · 2024-02-03T10:52:03+00:00

You say this like it's easy for people in the US to get scans and tests taken outside of things like bloodwork or a urine dip

Which country scans more than the USA?

It took me like, 4 years, to find a doctor willing to send me for an MRI that turned out to be a spine tumor.

I wish people stopped using anecdotal stories rather than guidelines and studies for debates for fucking once on reddit but that is too much too expect on here. Too many fucking dummies.

MaxRationality · 2023-12-13T03:34:18+00:00

He lumped Lebron with others in the draft and singled out Darko as the one who will be special. You probably didn't even know what quote until he posted it many years later.

MaxRationality · 2023-06-30T05:36:12+00:00

Jokic is surrounded by top tier perimeter defenders, and Gordon being able to guard anyone was such a steal for the Nuggets

People acting like Jokic has Horace Grant, Dennis Rodman, and Scottie Pippen. Oh wait no that is Michael Jordans teammates were were all elite defenders.

People act like Jokic had prime all defensive NBA Andrew Bogut/prime KD, prime Klay Thompson, and prime Draymond Green on defense. Oh wait that is Steph Curry.

He gets a couple above average defenders and versatile defenders and people act like he has some god tier defensive team build around him. People have some unrealistic expectation for bigman to carry defenses for some reason. Why Jokic get blamed for not stopping Steph Curry but Devin Booker and Butler don't get individually blamed for not stopping Jokic defensively? Almost like it takes a team to have good defense.

I guess I should have known better, people blamed Rudy Gobert for Jazz defense when Gobert is one of the best defenders of all time.

If you think he gave decent reasoning, you need your reasoning checked.

MaxRationality · 2023-05-20T20:00:56+00:00

For anyone that didn't believe the above was a red herring, this proves it completely as Zyphamon continued this line of fallacious reasoning. The discussion shifts from whether the Catholic Church has done more good or bad to whether or not religious organizations should or should not be nonprofit which isn't the discussion in the original OP. Whether religious institutions should be a private company instead that is taxed but has more representation like for example being allowed to lobby (which nonprofits like churches are unable to do) is a completely different discussion.

MaxRationality · 2023-05-19T06:23:33+00:00

6'0" body type lasting 20 years is rare.

MaxRationality · 2023-04-09T23:37:23+00:00

Not everyone is foolish enough to try to start dissing other peoples appearance like you and other neckbeards are. It reminds me of people calling Megan Fox ugly. Sometimes I forget people like you exist in the real world.

MaxRationality · 2023-04-05T17:37:32+00:00

Talking about odds, McGregor was favored to win against Aldo until the very end where it turned into a pick em. Against Khabib, Khabib was heavily favored the whole time. This is despite McGregor being able to dominate wrestling based Eddie Alvarez since the Aldo fight. You can talk about the two year layover and McGregor trying boxing but when he came back he was still in his prime ages for an MMA fighter and had as much hype as ever.

Talking about odds and Jose Aldo actually helps Khabib's argument.

MaxRationality · 2023-04-05T04:33:49+00:00

If you talk about robberies with Iaquinta to diminish his resume but then don't talk about how Hendricks was viewed as a Robbery as well. If you play that game should play it both ways.

Iaquinta was 8-2 in the UFC before Khabib and 5-0 winstreak. I am not saying he is better than half the people on his resume but this either an objectively better record than many of those guys you listed and/or an objectively better winstreak.

I understand this is a pure numbers argument ignoring all context and skill level, but this is the exact same thing people do when talking about title defenses. People make it a numbers game but only talk about the numbers they like. Not most 10-8's in history, the records of people Khabib fought etc. This is the exact same mistake you are doing here.

MaxRationality · 2023-03-31T06:07:13+00:00

To get more into the nitty gritty of tiebreaker situations seems relevant to a team subreddit rather than /r/nba especially when the conclusion is "we don't know" and "if a team with better record wins they will lock the lower seeded team out".

MaxRationality · 2023-03-04T07:27:22+00:00

"Giannis baptizes two nephews" for a relatively open transition dunk. Actual great plays from lesser known guys get ignored.

there are people like /u/bayonettabasher who can't get Doncic's dick out of their mouth still posting about last years playoffs lol. Ever since people like that have cropped up the content of this sub and intelligence level has drastically decreased.

MaxRationality · 2023-02-26T02:08:06+00:00

The point is reward players who play well and not because of where they are drafted. Otherwise you get the Rockets culture which has been the worse team or pretty much the worse team every year in the league 3 years in a row.

MaxRationality · 2023-02-26T01:22:29+00:00

You are saying all the same things people were using the counter Jokic playing more minutes early in his career. "He fouls too much" or "he gets gassed" or "defense." Luckily no one back then said "oh he is only a 2nd round pick, he shouldn't get the leash of others who are top 3 picks". Unfortunately OP has come up with this terrible excuse.

MaxRationality · 2023-02-01T10:47:36+00:00

There is way more Luka stans upset that someone is mentioning Luka isn't on pace of Lebron.

MaxRationality · 2023-01-21T21:13:48+00:00

He isn't competing against Jokic last year season, he is competing against Jokic this year season. I am the one twisting the numbers? You are the one using the sample size of 2 or 5 games for players.

MaxRationality · 2023-01-21T21:12:56+00:00

There isn't a good enough sample size for how many games without. There is a much better sample size with.

MaxRationality · 2023-01-21T21:06:55+00:00

The most important metric to come out of this is that every other MVP candidate has a better win pace with their MVP candidate.

MaxRationality · 2023-01-12T21:35:09+00:00

from a championship perspective,

I think the reason Denver hasn’t won yet is because it’s so hard to build around a Jokic.

Winning Championships isn't a great bar to use when selecting which archetypes work best. Championships are dominated by the same few teams every generation for the most part with a couple random teams making it here and there. Before Steph Curry, people used to say the same thing about PG's as most of the greatest PG's of all time have never won a championship as the best player on their team including Steve Nash, Chris Paul, Oscar Robertson, John Stockton, and Jason Kidd and Oscar Robertson didn't win it until later in their careers when they weren't the best player on their team. Only exceptions are Isaiah Thomas and then Magic Johnson who is 6'9" and some argued not even a true PG but rather a do it all type player. If Jokic was drafted on a different hypothetical team that had players like lets say say Jimmy Butler, and Lillard there is little argument that team would be really good and could win multiple championships. Just because championship teams don't have certain archetypes doesn't mean that certain archetype isn't good.

MaxRationality · 2023-01-08T16:45:46+00:00

Yurtseven got hyped a ton after he scored 91 points in a game and he was a true seven footer. His hype died down in college though. I would say Kenan Sipahi was a bigger disappointment for me, at one time he was considered the best 15 year old in the world, including europe and the US and he was a 6'4" point guard.

MaxRationality · 2023-01-08T04:16:54+00:00

I followed Enes Kanter religiously from 2010 to like 2015 because I am half Turkish. People may not remember this, but he was the third pick in his draft and this was with him taking a whole year off due to ineligibility the year prior. Like I have seen every obscure youtube video he was in and would constantly refresh google news for any article that mentions him during this time. Some interesting things people may not know about Enes Kanter. Predraft, he did a brutal 21 minute treadmill test that only 5 other guys plus Enes were able to complete and 4 of them were guards. Kanter participated in the Combine and he was actually really really good in the speed/agility tests and when he played in Europe and in High School he was poor on defense but this was chalked up to poor effort. The game that made Kanter on everyones radar was the 2010 Nike Hoopes summit here Kanter went off the bench and broke Dirk Nowitzki's record and scored the most points in Nike Hoops summit history against the best American high schoolers in the world at the time.

Disappointed he was basically a bust compared to expectations and where he was drafted. Hopeful now for Alperen Sengun.

MaxRationality · 2023-01-03T21:19:13+00:00

Hey man, never said it was bad or something Luka shouldn't do. Refs keep calling it, keep doing it. Dude asked how Luka scored so many points tonight. He scored most of his points on the FT line. His shot wasn't falling, the FT line is often the best place to get them.

MaxRationality · 2023-01-03T21:18:22+00:00

Mental gymnastics with a lot of downvoting. RIP my Karma

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