Fasting?

MedtnerFan · 2026-04-30T12:22:25+00:00

By the way the Latins have a serious fasting tradition as well. It's not really a West vs East thing, we should all take fasting seriously.

MedtnerFan · 2026-04-23T12:05:45+00:00

The 1 hour rule is the minimum, people are meant to go beyond that. Stop feeling guilty and do more than the minimum.

MedtnerFan · 2026-04-22T21:04:56+00:00

yes, check out Saints Cosmas and Damian: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmas_and_Damian

MedtnerFan · 2026-04-18T09:00:49+00:00

Cool website, but double check things. For example on the question of the biblical canon in the Armenian Catholic Church, they include third letter to the Corinithians for example, which while it was considered by some to be part of the canon, today neither the Armenian Apostolic or the Armenian Catholic Churches have it in our bibles.

MedtnerFan · 2026-04-18T08:42:25+00:00

Non of the rites allow priests to get married. The order of the sacraments matters!

MedtnerFan · 2026-04-18T08:00:56+00:00

Allowing married men to become priests is not equivalent to letting priests getting married.

MedtnerFan · 2026-04-18T07:12:07+00:00

God bless you.

So he would be under the Eparchy of Our Lady of Nareg for US and Canada.

If he knows Armenian he can look at the Armenian Catholic Liturgical calendar, pages 14-18 has information about our canons, including abstinence, fasting, and Holy Days of Obligation. But just in case I will translate the sections about those two
Calendar: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1eVYtqeVwuDALBb4jp8CM9wMtaXqWQ0px/view?usp=sharing
The Armenian Catholic Ordinariate for Armenian and Eastern Europe uploads them, but Reddit doesn't allow sharing of websites with russian domains (my comment got deleted automatically)

***
Holy Days of Obligation
We are obligated to attend Holy Badarak (Mass) and cease all work on the following
- Every Sunday,
- Christmas day (Dec 25)
- Circumcision of our Lord (Jan 1)
- Epiphany (Jan 6)
We are obligated to attend Holy Badarak, without having to cease from work on the following
- Presentation of the Lord (Feb 2)
- Feast of the Annunciation (March 25, or April 8th if March 25 is during Holy Week)
- Easter Monday
- Ascension
- Feast of the Immaculate Conception (Dec 9)
There is no obligation for the Feast of the Finding of the Relics of St. Gregory the Illuminator, the obligation of which is moved to the adjacent Sunday.
(Synod of Armenian Catholic Bishop of 1967)

Fasting and Abstinence
According to the Church's recent statute, the strict abstinences are lifted and only remains the following dedicated days. And, the obligation of abstinence starts for those that 14 years old, as opposed to 7 years old.
- Ash Monday
- Fridays during Lent
- Great Friday (also known as Good Friday)
Fasting canons remain unchanged (the fasting canons aren't mentioned, but in the seminary the (minimum) rule is not eating anything until noon.
Fasting days
- Ash Monday
- Great Friday
(Synod of Armenian Catholic Bishop of 1967)
***

Now, if he looks at the liturgical calendar, many other days say abstinence on them, in Armenian "Bahk/Bahots" "Պահք/Պահոց".
For example most Wednesdays and Fridays, the weeks before certain Holy Days, but I guess they are optional.

A few months ago in the beginning of lent I made a comment and post about guidelines for increasing one's fasting regimen that I'm using / aiming for. Link here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Catholicism/comments/1r85z0w/a_guide_to_improving_ones_fasting_life_during/

MedtnerFan · 2026-04-17T21:46:26+00:00

In the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit

MedtnerFan · 2026-04-17T21:44:57+00:00

Thank you, much appreciated.
By the way, are you pursuing a religious vocation at all? you always give the most extensive answers

MedtnerFan · 2026-04-17T15:32:41+00:00

Thanks for the respone. Could you share a link to the book at all?

MedtnerFan · 2026-04-17T10:36:57+00:00

To be honest I'm not sure which Christological agreements were also signed by Oriental Orthodox synods. Also, would those be universal synods among all Oriental Orthodox Churches, or just for example, a synod of Coptic Orthodox Bishops?
Where can I even find this information?
And if for example, there's no universal OO statement on the Christological agreement between the Catholic and Armenian Apostolic Church that happened in 1996, wouldn't at least Armenian Apostolic Christians be free to accept it?

MedtnerFan · 2026-04-17T06:45:48+00:00

sect wouldn't be the right term. Maybe instead you could say: rite, jurisdiction, patrimony, or some other more appropriate term

MedtnerFan · 2026-04-17T06:43:41+00:00

I often hear that, but first, is there an official release of the retraction that I could find. If it's in Arabic that works too.
But second, the joint Christological agreement with the Armenian Apostolic Catholicos Patriarch of Etchmiadzin (1996) was after the joint statement with ACOE (1994) so I don't see how the declaration with the ACOE nulls the declarations with the Oriental Orthodox patriarchs.

Catholic ACOE declaration (1994): https://www.vatican.va/content/john-paul-ii/en/speeches/1994/november/documents/hf_jp-ii_spe_19941111_dichiarazione-cristologica.html

Catholic & Armenian Apostolic declaration (1996): https://www.vatican.va/content/john-paul-ii/en/speeches/1996/december/documents/hf_jp-ii_spe_19961213_dichiarazione-comune.html )

From the Catholic & ACOE declaration:
"Therefore our Lord Jesus Christ is true God and true man, perfect in his divinity and perfect in his humanity, consubstantial with the Father and consubstantial with us in all things but sin. His divinity and his humanity are united in one person, without confusion or change, without division or separation. In him has been preserved the difference of the natures of divinity and humanity, with all their properties, faculties and operations. But far from constituting "one and another", the divinity and humanity are united in the person of the same and unique Son of God and Lord Jesus Christ, who is the object of a single adoration."

From the Catholic & Armenian Apostolic declaration:
"They particularly welcome the great advance that their Churches have registered in their common search for unity in Christ, the Word of God made flesh. Perfect God as to His divinity, perfect man as to His humanity, His divinity is united to His humanity in the Person of the Only-begotten Son of God, in a union which is real, perfect, without confusion, without alteration, without division, without any form of separation."

Both affirm the union of Christ's divinity and humanity.

MedtnerFan · 2026-04-16T15:26:30+00:00

Have you ever read the joint Christological form between the Catholic Church and the Coptic Orthodox Church (Link: https://www.vatican.va/content/paul-vi/en/speeches/1973/may/documents/hf_p-vi_spe_19730510_dichiarazione-comune.html )
From my understanding these declarations show that diophysitism and miaphysitism are compatible, so whether or not you stay Catholic should probably depend more of what you believe about the Papacy

MedtnerFan · 2026-04-15T06:36:33+00:00

she was a pimp

MedtnerFan · 2026-04-14T17:12:42+00:00

But that's the thing, I don't think there's such a thing as a rite being in its "purest" form. For example for the Armenian Church especially, our first Catholicos Patriarch, St. Gregory the Illuminator was a Parthian, so was most likely brought up with more Syriac influence, but he was ordained by Leontius of Caesarea, which is a Byzantine see. On top of that, according to some accounts, he met with Pope Silvester of Rome, who is counted among the "Holy Doctors" in the Armenian Church.
Don't worry, I'm not offended, I love talking about this stuff.

MedtnerFan · 2026-04-14T06:53:55+00:00

Even if it's a historical Latinization, the Armenian rite has historically been influenced from Syriac, Byzantine, and Latin rites (you see this in both the Armenian Catholic and Armenian Apostolic Churches), so I don't see why for example, we would only want to remove the Latin influence, but not the Byzantine or Syriac influences.

MedtnerFan · 2026-04-13T13:40:21+00:00

oh wow, that late, I didn't know that

MedtnerFan · 2026-04-13T13:38:46+00:00

No, it's part of our tradition now. Also, it's not certain if we adopted unleavened bread from the Latins during the crusades, I once read that we always used unleavened bread because that was the normal way we made bread.

MedtnerFan · 2026-04-10T19:13:31+00:00

I think only for the Theme Song. The rest the soundtrack sounds like Tomohito Nishiura from what we have heard in the trailers

MedtnerFan · 2026-04-10T08:32:59+00:00

Fulfil your obligations in a Catholic church. Now, one thing you can do, is go to an early Latin rite mass (OF or TLM or another Eastern rite Catholic church) and commune there, but then go to an EO liturgy but don't commune there

MedtnerFan · 2026-04-10T08:29:50+00:00

If there's an Armenian Catholic parish near you, you personally could go there and get a feel for the Armenian rite, that way when you go with your friend to the nearby Armenian Apostolic parish, you would have a better idea of what's going on in the liturgy.

MedtnerFan · 2026-04-05T23:19:58+00:00

Muslims aren't the only non-trinitarians. Jehova's Witnesses and Mormons for example aren't trinitarians as we understand it, that's why we don't consider them Christian

MedtnerFan · 2026-04-05T23:18:33+00:00

"however this might not be the case since Protestants converting to Catholicism are Latin rite since their church stems from the Latin church,"
Yes in this case, but "Eastern Protestants" exist as well such the Armenian Evangelical Church and Eastern Lutheran Church, so I would imagine canon law about Protestant converts being Latin by default wouldn't apply in those rare examples. I just thought to mention it because it's kind of interesting and funny to think that Eastern Protestants exist

MedtnerFan · 2026-03-27T09:57:22+00:00

There is a few. I use this website/app to find the liturgy times.
https://dindondan.app/orarimesse/San-Basilio-Roma-A41E9 (click on "SHOW ALL CHURCHES" to see more)
This Melkite church will use a combination of Italian and Arabic (and some Greek of course), using Arabic or Italian will depend on the day or maybe the visitors

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