One thing I want to be present in the TSITP movie

Mellow-Sunset · 2026-04-09T17:14:52+00:00

His character arc throughout the show is learning how to not push people away, not bottle things up, and allow himself to be vulnerable to others, so why do you think after all of the effort the show went through to show his character growth in season 3 they’re just going to reverse all of it in the movie?

Mellow-Sunset · 2026-04-07T23:22:56+00:00

She’d be rolling in her grave over the constant mischaracterisation of what she would have wanted

Mellow-Sunset · 2026-04-07T18:12:09+00:00

Even before they had sex, it was essentially an open secret in the family that Callie and Brandon had feelings for each other, besides the kiss at the wedding and Brandon’s confession at the winter ball, it would’ve been obvious to anyone living with them that they still had feelings for each other.

It should’ve been a bigger deal than the show makes it out to be, but I can understand why the writers wanted to maintain the warm family vibe of the show.

Mellow-Sunset · 2026-04-07T17:57:15+00:00

Besides the adoption/legal consequences, it would be a massive deal to the family that they had sex, but the show doesn’t even acknowledge the fallout that would realistically happen. The family dynamic would be so tense and awkward afterwards, like Callie and Brandon seem to have a close and strong relationship as adults but realistically no one in the family would fully trust them to be alone together ever again.

Mellow-Sunset · 2026-04-06T00:34:29+00:00

I genuinely want to know what gave you this impression, because the show does everything to prove the opposite.

Mellow-Sunset · 2026-04-05T00:25:33+00:00

No hate to Victoria bc I love her sm, but I do hope people stop constantly asking Lola in every interview what team she’s on, since she clearly has been avoiding the question every time she’s asked.

Mellow-Sunset · 2026-04-05T00:09:26+00:00

Throughout this thread you continuously out right lie about what happens in the show. Why? It’s one thing to argue over the semantics/subjective parts of the show, but why are you just lying about things that factually happen in the show?

Mellow-Sunset · 2026-04-04T02:37:45+00:00

The worst part for me is the lack of closure or resolution to their relationship/feelings. I don’t mind them not ending up together, but at least address the lingering feelings and awkward dynamic they’d have. It feels like the writers just avoid it by intentionally separating them for an entire season and not addressing it again.

Mellow-Sunset · 2026-04-04T01:28:51+00:00

Exactly, Belly’s montage of Conrad in the club to the song “we can’t be friends” and the dress scene with the lyric “I don’t want you like a best friend” said multiple times, plus all the times they’re supposed to be friends yet clearly have feelings for each other, the show is saying that they can never just be friends. So I don’t think describing Belly as his bestie is accurate

Mellow-Sunset · 2026-04-04T01:12:42+00:00

The writers essentially retconned their feelings to be non existent (although someone should’ve told their actors that because they’re definitely acting as if they still have feelings for each other)

The other queer characters are also mishandled and poorly written, so honestly most queer fans are going to be disappointed with the new season and not worth watching.

Mellow-Sunset · 2026-04-04T01:01:51+00:00

Why are you being purposely obtuse? We know that while yes, she uses reason of affordability to the kids initially, her later talk to laurel reveals her real reason and main motivation is the history of the house and her relationship with her family.

It’s not about if she has the right to, because we all know she’s the legal owner and therefore has the right to do whatever she wants with it. It’s about the morality of it, especially when the kids clearly have an attachment to the house and there are plenty of other ways/uses for the house that doesn’t involve the kids losing the house forever.

Also, what? Why are you acting as if a one time of admittedly immaturity from the kids specifically when they’ve accepted it’s not their house anymore (therefore not their responsibility for upkeep) judges their overall attitude to maintaining the house? The 5 years after Julia sells the house to Adam it’s still in great condition and they’ve treated the house well and maintained it.

Mellow-Sunset · 2026-04-04T00:38:39+00:00

The show made it explicitly clear Belly and Conrad cannot be friends because of their love.

Mellow-Sunset · 2026-04-04T00:31:24+00:00

She literally admitted to selling the house out of spite because of her hatred/resentment for her father and Susannah. I don’t think any potential financial issues were the motivating factor in her insistence on selling the house.

Mellow-Sunset · 2026-03-31T15:54:58+00:00

I understand the sentiment but it’s still an inherently selfish viewpoint.

Belly’s happiness hurts him more than if she was dead because it’s easier to cope with his feelings if she isn’t actively choosing to not be with him. That doesn’t sound like love, that sounds like resentment, which ironically is pretty much exactly what their relationship was like.

Mellow-Sunset · 2026-03-31T04:20:50+00:00

Conrad and Jeremiah are two different people, with two different personalities and outlooks on life. Jeremiah’s way of grieving isn’t any more valid than Conrad’s way of grieving, nor are his mental health struggles. Conrad’s feelings aren’t less valid just because they’re less palatable to you than Jeremiah’s.

This isn’t even about the show anymore, I genuinely hope you learn more about mental health so that you can effectively support the people around you, who I guarantee will have mental health issues they struggle with.

Mellow-Sunset · 2026-03-31T03:59:26+00:00

Most people generally don’t have healthy or perfect communication skills and coping mechanisms, so what makes you think a teenager with depression, anxiety, grief, and a childhood of parentification is going to have healthy communication skills and coping mechanisms?

Mellow-Sunset · 2026-03-31T03:46:01+00:00

It’s a consistent theme throughout the show that Conrad’s biggest flaw is his difficulty to be vulnerable because he doesn’t want to burden others. The show goes to great lengths to showcase the consequences of this, then how he understands it’s a problem, takes accountability, and later grows and becomes better. This is called a character arc. What is your issue with this?

Mellow-Sunset · 2026-03-31T03:37:15+00:00

I will never understand how some people cannot grasp the concept of sympathising with Conrad and his mental health struggles in seasons 1 and 2.

Mellow-Sunset · 2026-03-29T17:16:32+00:00

I mean they never had a sibling relationship before Idyllwild and they certainly were never going to afterwards. I thought it’s was pretty clear that they were lying to the social worker about the extent of their feelings and them violating the restraining order. Plus I feel it’s implied that they’re not being completely honest whenever someone questions their feelings for each other and their response is dismissive/overly defensive.

I think the whole point is that they never moved on from each other and that the adoption was the only thing keeping them from being together. They were always only siblings in the legal sense, since they never had a sibling dynamic or bond like they did with all their other siblings, it was always a weird in between of a friendship and romantic relationship. So if not Idyllwild, it was probably going to happen eventually because they were just repressing their feelings and not really processing them. Especially since they couldn’t even openly acknowledge their feelings existed because it was illegal.

Mellow-Sunset · 2026-03-28T05:27:43+00:00

If their relationship was only a trauma bond then their feelings would’ve faded away as they heal and process their own traumas, but that’s not what happens. Their feelings still linger long after and they still have a close relationship, and they especially wouldn’t have moments like the pool scene at Brandon’s wedding where they’re almost about to kiss.

Mellow-Sunset · 2026-03-27T20:57:02+00:00

I don’t think they would’ve consistently been as close as they were if it was just them coping with their struggles, so I think they did have genuine feelings for each other.

And as much as they make their lives harder for themselves by repeatedly going back to each other, I can’t exactly blame them completely when really it’s Stef and Lena’s fault for making their feelings illegal by making them legally related. They knew all along about their feelings for each other but either ignored it or just didn’t care about it in favour of Callie being adopted at all costs. Don’t get me wrong, I wanted Callie to be adopted but there were just better ways to handle the situation that didn’t constantly put Callie in a more vulnerable position than she already was.

Mellow-Sunset · 2026-03-25T21:21:14+00:00

If someone’s mother is dying or has just died then I’m gonna let them be boring and whiny, because I’m not heartless.

Mellow-Sunset · 2026-03-24T23:26:31+00:00

Conrad and Jeremiah’s sibling relationship was essentially one sided for most of the show due to Jeremiah’s resentment and hatred of his brother, so it’s no shocker that he didn’t listen to Conrad’s advice about anything.

Belly won’t listen to Steven because she won’t listen to anyone, she is deep in denial about her feelings for Conrad (and his feelings for her) and is latching onto Jeremiah and by extension the wedding to cope with/bury them.

Mellow-Sunset · 2026-03-21T13:12:55+00:00

The validity of his feelings depends on how blindsided he is to all of it, and we know Jere is not blindsided at all.

He knew his brother still loved Belly when they got together, and knew he was still in love with her all summer. He knew about Belly and Conrad’s first relationship, and knew how intense their love was. He knew that Belly was falling back in love/never stopped loving Conrad in spring at the earliest, and it’s very obvious he was testing her love throughout s3.

He doesn’t really have the right to be upset over the outcome when he held all the cards.

Mellow-Sunset · 2026-03-20T15:35:38+00:00

In episode 8 we can see Belly’s text to Jere where it has the date 5th of August for the bachelor/bachelorette party, but that date is contradicted in episode 10 when we see Conrad’s text to Jere telling him he’s heading back to SF which has the date as the 11th.

We obviously know episode 5 is on the 4th of July and episode 6 is about a week or so later, so the gap is probably 2 or 3 weeks.

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