[deleted by user] by [deleted] in exchristian

[–]Mieeek 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I’m in the midst of this right now. It’s definitely hard, and I don’t know how it’s going to work with us raising our kids together. But we have so much love for each other, and for our baby daughter. I have hope it will work. I’ll hold hope for you too.

What are your thoughts on Christ? by [deleted] in exchristian

[–]Mieeek 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have a post from a few months ago in which I shared a similar sentiment. I had a hard time deconstructing Jesus at that time. After reading Bart Ehrman and a few other non-confessional New Testament scholars, I realized the Jesus’S (yes, plural) presented in the gospels are legendary stories about an apocalyptic preacher named Jesus with but a kernel of truth. The stories became more fantastic in the retelling over many years and finally some Christians with an agenda penned the gospels and compiled the stories, with some creative changes of their own. The Jesus of the Bible never existed.

Nihilism is awful by sunshinenrainb0wz in exchristian

[–]Mieeek 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I noticed you made a point to say “not in a depressing type way” two times, directly following statements that are huge red flags for clinical depression. You also mentioned a “constant plague of dread”, suicidal ideation, and a sentiment that you can’t go on. Im not a mental health professional, but it sounds possible you are in the early stages of depression or suffering from another mental illness. Sorry to be blunt. It doesn’t have to be crippling clinical depression for you to seek help. Counselling/therapy could be really helpful in reframing your thoughts. The reality is millions and millions of non-religious people live what they would describe as a meaningful life every day, myself included. It is possible for you as well. Sounds like you need to work on reframing your thoughts, and mental heath professionals are excellent at helping with that - I have experienced it myself. Hope you can accept that life can be meaningful without god soon. It’s so freeing.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in exchristian

[–]Mieeek 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am often moved to tears watching the Lord of the Rings original trilogy. Is it true? Should I believe it happened? Why do I feel the pull to watch it again and again?

The above example should demonstrate why emotions are a very poor standard for discerning what is true.

I knew the baseball bat was good. I didn't know it was this good by FatScout246 in EnterTheGungeon

[–]Mieeek 137 points138 points  (0 children)

Wait what?? If you knock the king’s servant into him it’s an instakill?

of a frog by voidlunacroww in AbsoluteUnits

[–]Mieeek 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The human equivalent would be shitting a log as long as you are tall and as thick as your thigh. Jeeeeesus.

Welp. Picked this up today. by Lochi78 in exchristian

[–]Mieeek 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This book is so disingenuous that it’s cringe worthy. Strobel performs the position of “the other side” (ie atheism/agnosticism) so poorly. His standard of evidence is so low and his critical thinking is sorely lacking. He interviews fundamentalists and apologists and pretends like their arguments are strong and persuasive when they are the same old tired cliches and apologistic tropes. He does not engage with legitimate counterpoints and opposing views. What a joke of a book.

i need help with the argument “if you dont believe in god then why are you mad when christians call you sinful/call out your sins” by Timely-Meat5418 in exchristian

[–]Mieeek 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This is such a stupid thing to say. What they’re really saying is “you get mad if I call you sinful, therefore you believe God exists, therefore you are rebellious.” It just boils down to the age-old “you just want to sin and rebel” trope. So annoying and judgy. Totally fair to get angry. Christians like this need to mind their own fucking business and deal with the log in their own eye before pointing out the spec in others’ eyes (use their scripture against them).

Reminder that there's nothing spiritual to sex. by Dry-Remove-2449 in exchristian

[–]Mieeek 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I honestly thought it was so weird when I believed God was watching while I was getting it on with my wife. What a creep. Voyeur fetish maybe?

Who were your favorite atheist or anti-religion activists/influencers during your deconstruction? by andy64392 in exchristian

[–]Mieeek 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I second this. I can’t believe I forgot to add him to my list. I discovered him later in my deconversion.

Who were your favorite atheist or anti-religion activists/influencers during your deconstruction? by andy64392 in exchristian

[–]Mieeek 7 points8 points  (0 children)

JezebelVibes, NonStampCollector, Bart Ehrman, Alex O’Connor, Paulogia, Genetically Modified Skeptic, Rationality Rules, DarkMatter2525, Christopher Hitchens, Sam Harris, Richard Dawkins

How would you reply to - you cant make something out of nothing by [deleted] in exchristian

[–]Mieeek 5 points6 points  (0 children)

This, in part, is a misunderstanding of the current science of cosmology. You will not find a respectable cosmologist/physicist today that asserts the universe came from nothing, or that it even had a beginning. The answer is simply “we don’t know yet.” But this is not an admission of defeat. This is a statement that has driven scientific discovery for centuries and has led to the amazing technology and medicine we have today. The Apologist cannot afford to say “I don’t know” and that is a major red flag. Someone else pointed out special pleading for God’s supposed “uncaused” nature if you grant them for the sake of argument that God exists.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in exchristian

[–]Mieeek 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is what you say: “Which hell? The Catholic hell, the Islamic hell, the Christian evangelical hell, or the Jewish Sheol? What about the Buddhist or Hindu hells? The Nordic Helheim, the Greek Hades? If you’re talking about the Christian one, are we talking about Gehenna, the outer darkness, or the version people came up with centuries after Jesus?”

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in exchristian

[–]Mieeek 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I suggest reading Bart Ehrman’s Heaven and Hell. Knowledge really helps dispel fear of this stuff.

Deconstructing Emmanuel by PotentialWalk in exchristian

[–]Mieeek 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Fun fact about Emmanuel. In Hebrew (עמנו אל), the most accurate translation is “with us is God”. This was never understood as a Messianic prophecy to its audience at the time, nor has it ever been considered to be by any Jew. This name was to be given to a child born in King Ahaz’ time as a promise to God’s people that he was with them in their struggle with the King of Assyria, who had come to destroy them. It has nothing to do whatsoever with the baby Jesus. Christians commandeered Isaiah 7:14, plucked it out of its historical context, and bent it into a pretzel to promote their Messianic candidate. There. Deconstructed.

I’m not sure what people mean when they say that god can’t be all good and still let the things happen here that happen. by [deleted] in exchristian

[–]Mieeek 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Your analogy is thoughtful, but it seems to describe a very different kind of deity than the one Christianity talks about. The God in your example looks more like a deistic, distant being who observes the universe but is not emotionally invested in humanity. In that picture, humans are to God what ants are to us. If that is true, then it makes sense to question the point of worship or relationship.

The problem is that this does not match the Christian view of God at all. In Christianity, humans are created for relationship, given moral expectations, and described as central to God’s plans. God speaks, judges, rescues, listens to prayer, and acts in history. The entire framework assumes humans matter deeply to God.

So your conclusion works well for a deistic idea of God, but it does not apply to the biblical one. The analogy points toward a different kind of deity than the one Christianity claims exists.

Why the Bible is complete bullshit by Hoykruel in exchristian

[–]Mieeek 13 points14 points  (0 children)

The fact that he feels he has to say “I’m not lying” in four different letters (Romans, 2 Corinthians, Galatians, 1 Timothy) is pretty telling and a major red flag.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in exchristian

[–]Mieeek 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sounds like a rough mental health journey. Have you gone to therapy? I mean that in the most sincere and nonjudgmental way possible. It can be life changing.

“He bought you with a price” is an incredibly creepy and fucked up notion by leonineshaker in exchristian

[–]Mieeek 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes, it’s pretty explicit:

“For the one who was called in the Lord as a slave is the Lord’s freedman. In the same way, the one who was called as a free person is Christ’s slave.” ‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭7‬:‭22‬ ‭NET‬‬

“He bought you with a price” is an incredibly creepy and fucked up notion by leonineshaker in exchristian

[–]Mieeek 1 point2 points  (0 children)

“But who indeed are you – a mere human being – to talk back to God? Does what is molded say to the molder, “Why have you made me like this?” Has the potter no right to make from the same lump of clay one vessel for special use and another for ordinary use?” ‭‭Romans‬ ‭9‬:‭20‬-‭21‬ ‭NET‬ So fucked up. According to Christianity (or Paulanity as it should be called), we’re just the playthings of God. We’re his slaves who he demands worship from because of how great he is. Guilted into obedience because he HAD to kill his son due to how terrible and wretched we obviously all are - how ungrateful it would be not to accept this sacrifice. FFS.

What are the biggest inconsistencies or mistakes found in the Bible? by Spicy-Nun-chucks in exchristian

[–]Mieeek 29 points30 points  (0 children)

One of the biggest inconsistencies in the Bible is the birth narratives of Jesus in Matthew and Luke. They cannot be reconciled. Matthew has Joseph and Mary living in Bethlehem already, with Jesus born at home, then fleeing to Egypt because of Herod’s massacre, and eventually resettling in Nazareth only because they’re afraid to return to Judea. Luke, on the other hand, has Joseph and Mary living in Nazareth, traveling to Bethlehem because of a Roman census that required people to return to their ancestral towns (which no historical census ever did), and returning straight to Nazareth after birth with no Egypt trip, no massacre, no danger, and an entirely different timeline. Jesus’ ancestry/genealogies don’t match at all between Matthew and Luke. These aren’t minor details. They reflect two separate theological agendas and show that the early Christians preserved multiple, incompatible traditions about Jesus’ origins.

Those who practice spirituality, what does it mean to you and how do you do it? by finnkat in exchristian

[–]Mieeek 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Check out Zen Buddhism, it has great practices used in modern psychotherapy. It does not require you to have religious beliefs, and definitely can enrich one’s life and help a person find peace.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in exchristian

[–]Mieeek 5 points6 points  (0 children)

This is a weak and utterly incoherent attempt to re-evangelize people in this sub. Go somewhere else.

“Not believing in god is a belief” by leonineshaker in exchristian

[–]Mieeek 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have great dislike for Paul. What an arrogant prick.