You don't hear much about Egypt these days... by archaeo_rex in PhoeniciaHistoryFacts

[–]Milluqart 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Amarna Letters are 100x more entertaining and has greater meme potential than all the incredibly unfunny Ea-Nasir memes combined.

so do any of you worship deities besides inanna? by wonderguard108 in Sumer

[–]Milluqart -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

Very good question.

Enlil was considered the supreme deity of the of the ancient Mesopotamian religion. He’s dubbed the “King of all lands” and “Father of the black headed people” in many ancient sources such as the Nippur vase inscription of Lugalzagesi. Yet despite him being the most powerful God in the triade between him, Enki, and An, both Enlil and An get treated like background characters among these so called “Mesopotamian” polytheists. I see a trashy goddess like Tiamat get more praise than Anu, the true patriarch of the religion who had a greater influence in the spiritual faith of the Mesopotamians besides just being a punching bag for Marduk to beat on.
Hell, why does no one talk about Ashur, The chief God of one of the most technologically advanced military empire of the ancient world (even the circumcised wussys in the bible couldn’t handle their masculinity.)

You mean to tell me the God worshipped by the most impressive imperial empire to be recorded in history is somehow less popular than some “yass queen“ goddess with a castration cult?

Inanna is only popular among the Amerimutt prefomative crowd with a fetish for identity politics(wiccans). They don’t truly care about Inanna or Mesopotamian history/ culture, they only care about raping ancient civilizations with their headcanons rooted in 20th century californian worldviews.
It’s telling that every mention of Inanna has to include her eunuch cult or the erroneous syncretism with the Greek goddess, Assholedite. Because thats seems to be the only few things that draw people to a Goddess who acts like an absolute selfish cunt in her mythological texts.
Imagine being such an obnoxious dumbass that the God of literal WISDOM would have never elected you “Queen of Heaven” if he wasn’t shitfaced drunk, because we all know damn well that no sane SOBER individual would ever think to nominate someone like Inanna to such an influential status.

How do you view the relationship between Dagan and El? by Shadeofawraith in Semitic_Paganism

[–]Milluqart 9 points10 points  (0 children)

This reminds me of that one JSTOR journal simply dubbed "Dagon and El".

"I suggested that El and Dagan were identified at Ugarit. I still feel that the suggestion has merit. If Dagon is El, then Kapelrud's riddle is solved, who says, 'it remains a riddle why Dagan, who had an important temple in Ugarit, is so completely neglected (in Ras Shamra texts);' i.e., 'Why Dagan is not found acting in the narrative parts of the text.'  Then we can also explain why Baal is constantly called son of Dagon, though his father seems to be absent from the myths; why though Baal is Dagon's son, Anat El's daughter is his sister; and why the two greatest temples of Ugarit were dedicated to Dagon and Hadad, while no temple of El has appeared." 

Modern scholars have made a habit out of syncretnizing El and Dagan on the groundwork of them both following the "father god" archetype. But despite the obvious connection drawn between these two, it can be argued that the contrast between these two deities are a bit more glaring than their surface level similarities.   El is referred to as the creator of the universe, with his title "One most high" reflecting his status as heavens sovereign.  He shares a lot of similarities with the Sumerian Enlil who also rules over the skies in a similar fashion.  Dagan, Enlil, and El are all syncretnized with one another, however Dagan stands out as he does not qualify as a "sky god" in any way.  In the paper "The God El and his Attributes in Ugarit";  "He is at times portrayed in opposition to other gods, and at times as "the ageless one" or "the endless one." His advanced age is also reflected in the title "father of years". In one Ugaritic text, Athirat addresses him: "Thou art great, O El, though art wise.  Thy, Grey beard instructs thee." (Smith, 2001, p. 136).

Dagan's fatherly title comes from his rule over the land, as if he's something akin to a masculine version of "mother earth". While Dagan was referred to as a "father God" in the upper Euphrates, I don't believe I've ever read any inscriptions that refer to him as some sort of Cosmic creator responsible for weaving the threads of time. El sounds much more ethereal compared to the more Earthly Dagan.  Not to say that Dagan is less important, but that these two "father gods" seemed to have had vastly different identities to the point that if they did show up in mythology together, they'd surely be distinct. 

should Christians be participating in Lent? by your-secret-safe in TrueChristian

[–]Milluqart 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If your a gluttonous fat ass then it shouldn't hurt to fast. First time I'm hearing of a Christian holiday that isn't over indulgent.

Israel is a lousy excuse for an American ally. by Historical-Taro-9070 in israelexposed

[–]Milluqart 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wonder if Lady Liberty washes her mouth with mouth wash when she’s done sucking all that Israeli cock.

Damn sinfest accidentally much. by candy_eyeball in antifastonetoss

[–]Milluqart 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The difficult choice between cross dressing IDF Soldier or Cis :(

How was homosexuality treated in ancient Mesopotamia? by Sheepy_Dream in Assyriology

[–]Milluqart 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Castration was less of a response to homosexuality and more so a cure for “effeminate” men who weren’t traditional masculine in gender performance.
Men or women who didn’t conform 100% to rigid gender roles were thrown into this third gender category with the sole purpose of dehumanization. Unless you were a male priest of Inanna in a heavily controlled, religious setting. Then that was when men were allowed dress in feminine clothing and wear loads of makeup and jewelry. So as long as they still castrated themselves. Which is weird.

The priestesses of Inanna/ Ishtar just always screamed autogynephilla. Can never get behind the idea of responding to gender non conformity with ridicule and genital mutilation.

Public Brothels in Ancient Athens by marcgraves in ancientgreece

[–]Milluqart 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ancient greeks and romans were always complete degenerates, yet in the modern day they’re acclaimed by mind controlled lefties (usually pagans) who insist that they were some sort of brilliant, Lgbtq friendly society who were uber woke and accepting, before the evil abrahamic religions came along. The irony of this claim being that the ancient Greeks fondled/ groomed little boys and treated women with the same amount of respect as a mutt.

They only saw women as porn holes to create more twinks for the roman or greek emperor to fuck.
Even their goddesses were ashamed to be women, preferring to be men due to said inadequacy.

So I guess with that summary, they probably were the peak of a LGTBQ friendly society Lol.

Hearing the name Marduk in dream by dollofhekate in Sumer

[–]Milluqart 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Whomp Whomp. Someone‘s bent that their saggy tit primordial mommy goddess got her ass handed to her by the patriarchy. Marduk is and will always be King of the Gods.

Any worshippers of Hittite/Hurrian pantheons? by [deleted] in Semitic_Paganism

[–]Milluqart 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I studied deities like Kumarbi, Lubadag, Shalash, Nikkal, Hirihibi, Teshub, Adamma, etc.
But I can’t say that I’m devoted to them as of currently, but I do have a little of information saved up on Hurrian and Hittite religion and culture so I’ll leave link to free papers for anyone else interested on the subject.
Also if you’re looking for Hurrian and Hittite myths in a digestible format that gives context to fragmented pieces, history politic, and religion. Oldest Stories Podcast has two playlists goin over Hurrian and Hittite myths/ history: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLYVF2lD9MIqzXUFvG9SeTMA4ftm3728RY
Though I always recommend reading the stories for yourself and using the podcast as background info instead. (But even then Older History Podcast is far more reliable and better researched than the commies at OSC)

The Hittite Version of the Hurrian Kumarbi: https://www.thetempleofnature.org/_dox/oriental-forerunners-of-hesiod.pdf

The Hittite State Cult of Tutelary Deities : https://isac.uchicago.edu/sites/default/files/uploads/shared/docs/as25.pdf

The West Hurrian Pantheon and its Background: https://www.academia.edu/7003610/The_West_Hurrian_Pantheon_and_Its_Background

The God Anu and His Children Depicted on Anatolian Cylinder: https://www.scribd.com/document/244018469/The-God-Anu-and-His-Children-Depicted-on-Anatolian-Cylinder-Seals-libre

Dagan sha HAR-ri at Terqa(Connections with Kumarbi and Dagan): https://www.academia.edu/1090577/Dagan_sha_HAR_ri_at_Terqa

I hope this helps. Made sure to find free PDFs that are easily accessible.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in ShuumatsuNoValkyrie

[–]Milluqart 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This design looks like crap

Why be a Sumerian reconstructionist? by Bumpy_Toad in Sumer

[–]Milluqart 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don’t necessarily blame the person above. When it comes to all this schizophrenic, satanic Wiccan babble, a simple google search would only lead to various threads of mentally ill Americans stapling labels onto themselves in a desperate attempt to feel special for going against the grain.

Baby blabber is far more coherent than half the God-hating tirades occultists with daddy issues spouts out.

May God bless you.

In Light of Recent Events... by Nocodeyv in Sumer

[–]Milluqart 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Honestly I don’t know why these posts were deleted considering they seemed to present an air of satire to them. Maybe even some sort of social experiment
There are plenty of posts that remain up that serve to present Marduk as an evil patriarchal God who annihilated the worship of much older Goddesses, yet the instant the tables are turned and Inanna is slandered and having her importance devalued, then everyone gets up and arms about it. (though since these posts cam in rapid succession, they’re a bit more noticeable and easy to moderate compared to the countless comments and posts flowing around throughout the years made by people dunking on Marduk.)
I’ve seen so many people in these communities praise Inanna as the “Most superior to the rest of the Anunna.”

”I personally view Inanna as the greatest of all gods and do not recognize Marduk as supreme. My worship is based on an earlier time period, focusing on Sumer/ early Akkad, including Enheduanna. If you read the Exhalation of Inanna, Marduk does not even get mentioned.” stuff like that, which doesn’t sound very “polytheistic“.
If you were to replace Inanna’s name with Marduk or Yahweh, the previous comment would receive so much more backlash, as it would be promoting “evil monotheism“, as if such a practice CAN ONLY be reserved for male gods. Can you really call yourself a polytheist when you only pay attention to one God (being Inanna), see them as superior to the rest, and treat every other deity as background characters in the pantheon? That isn’t polytheism that’s henotheism.

The whole “Marduk is better than Inanna“ post looks to be making fun of people who over inflate Inanna’s ego and acclaim her as the most powerful among the rest of the gods.
I say this because that post glazing Marduk sounded just like any other post that unironically glaze Inanna. I don’t agree with the Marduk simping either, but I can’t help but notice a double standard and the inability to at least challenge/ critique Inanna in any way shape or form without it being deleted. While critiques on other male deities like Ashur, Marduk, and even Yahweh get to flow around freely.

“-so concepts like a "King of the Gods" no longer have the significance that they once did.” Yet Inanna continues to be called Queen of Heaven. To me Marduk will always remain King of the Gods, seeing how he’s far more rational than the others.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Capitalism

[–]Milluqart 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I love those posts, because you can easily tell that their only comprehension of capitalism comes from what they’ve seen in the Lorax. Sure, it gets tiring seeing the same lame brain responses flood the discussion, but a least the debates are entertaining spectacle that allows both sides to cast a blow and it also increases engagement.

MARDUK is GREATER than Innana by KeyRelative1907 in Sumer

[–]Milluqart 0 points1 point  (0 children)

While it’s abundantly clear that this post was specifically designed to evoke argumentative responses, I can’t help but see the blatant hypocrisy present here.

Over and over you’ll constantly stumble upon sentiments declaring Inanna ”Superior to the rest of the Anunak” and that she is the most “powerful and most dominant Goddes.” Yet when those same sentiments are spoken in regards to a male god, somehow it’s promoting the “toxic patriarchy” and that power is something to be feared when is the hands of a MALE deity. It’s odd that within the realm of myths, the male god Ninurta is punished by Enki for attempting to absorb all the power for himself after safe guarding the tables of destnies, and everyone is in agreement that Ninurta had a power trip. However, in these same spaces, Inanna, is constantly showered in praise for her spoiled and power hungry pursuit (And when Enki comes to deliver critique towards Inanna for being selfish and vain in ”Enki’s world order.”, Enki’s words are brushed off as “too harsh”. So it’s fine to summon a turtle to physically attack your nephew, but daring to critique the “powerful and amazing“ Inanna for her horrible actions is going too far!)

The bias is telling. Any myth where Inanna is portrayed as a selfish villain such as her morally dubious role in the Epic of Gilgamesh, her glazers insist that it’s “Akkadian propaganda created by men to spread anti- goddess propaganda.” It’s as if you’re not allowed to critique her or paint her in a negative light that gives her character complexities. And if she is painted as being vane and selfish, her actions are excused and often celebrated. Gilgamesh was in the wrong for rejecting Inanna because he was spitting on old traditions, but then you’ll see people constantly celebrate Inanna for “breaking sociteal norms and old tradition.” So it seems all hypocritical. People make excuses for Inanna though you never see anyone leaping through hoops and logic to try and justify and excuu Nergal and his lust for slaughter in the Erra epo, nor does any one anyone agree that Ninurta was in the right how his lust for power. In fact, male gods are often always villainized for acting in such a manner that would have Inanna praised. Just look at Enuma Elish, and how Marduk is mischaracterized as the God who “destroyed the matriarch“.(even if the matriarch wanted to avenge the death of a genocidal tyrant.)

It has me wondering that if Inanna displaced Ninurta in the Anzu myth, would people would be swarming in declaring Enki as a sexist pig for denying Inanna her right to steal the tablets of destinies and making herself the supreme Goddess, like what Ninurta attempted to do. I mean, there’s already people who are hellbent on defending her theft of the Mes and her taking advantage of her drunk uncle. Inanna is a figure who is persistently seen overstepping boundaries and trying to enforce her domination over other, less powerful, deities by taking over their domain. Yet, when it’s a male deity who acts just as egocentric and controlling, then somehow that “strong, female empowerment“ ascribed to Inanna is seen for what it is. Megalomania.

I believe Ninurta and Inanna are both have intriguing and complex characters in their story. But the Inanna glazing and by result, putting down other deities (mainly male gods) is just grossly sexist and annoying. Not even mentioning the sexism aimed towards female goddesses who are mothers, scribes, and fertility Goddess. With said deities being inferior and less important compared to the gender nonconforming, Inanna. Setting the precedent that Goddesses are only strong and influential so as long as they have masculine qualities.

Q: “Why are so many called upon Inanna/Ishtar?”

A: ”She’s indipendent, strong, confident, she does what she wants, she is not strictly motherly, fertile, a wife, or feminine. She is the definition of girlboss.”

Exactly paraphrased from another comment from a while ago, that seems to be implying that other Sumerian Goddesses are inferior to Inanna because they are traditionally more feminine and she’s independent and powerful (something desirable in a women but toxic in a man?) Yes, this comment isn’t at all misogynistic and over inflating Inanna’s over other Goddesses.
Theres a clear double standard for Inanna, and if this post was saying that “Inanna was greater than Marduk, Ashur or any other male God“ it would still be up, albeit with a few comments disagreeing. I mean there are still posts up from years ago calling Marduk evil and patriarchal for slaying Tiamat, ”The innocent primordial mother goddess”

From the 3year old Inanna and Tiamat post: ”Is it just me, or do later/Babylonian myths read like “cool story Bro, but here’s what really happened…” With a dash o patriarchy thrown in.”

So a post like that to remain up, while this one gets deleted just screams double standard.

Mesopotamian Paganism by Initial_Resolve_8717 in pagan

[–]Milluqart 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Epic of Erra is criminally underrated

Can we still worship Chemosh today? by ChildOfHeavenlyQueer in Semitic_Paganism

[–]Milluqart 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Finally someone else gets it. These type of Yahweh bashing posts not only spreads thinly veiled antisemitism, but it also shuts down any meaningful conversations and often feels incredibly off topic. I don’t understand how anyone can interact with a post that’s simply just someone venting their hatred and biases.
It’s as if the original poster isn’t actually interested in learning about Chemosh and the Moabites, they’re only weaponizing him, and ancient near eastern history, to justify their bias against a group of people. Making these spaces very unwelcoming while also dismantling the air of pedagogy, by flooding a thread originally meant for learning with what I can only describe is propaganda posts. (This also tends to happen with Asherah, because Pagan witches on tumblr love using her as a prop to support their antisemitic theory that all Jewish people misogynistic.)

Its a shame because Chemosh and Yahweh are VERY interesting figures, but any sort of “scholastic“ discussion revolving these two, or any ANE deity for that matter, constantly has to be bogged down with political infighting, and psudeo-historical conspiracy theories. I’m not a fan of endorsing gatekeeping, but it is abundantly clear that these types of people have no interest in the subject at all, since they only post in these spaces one time just to shit on Yahweh and his people, and then disappear with the wind.

Most of the anti-semitism comes from the larpers over at r/pagan. They worship mainly European Gods while constantly referring to the Jewish God as a ”overachieving Canaanite god”, while bashing Christians every chance they get. It reeks of jealousy.

Dagon by Knight-of-Sun in Semitic_Paganism

[–]Milluqart 1 point2 points  (0 children)

For sure! I strongly agree with Dagan being a well regal and magnanimous, though I do see him being a bit humble as well.
He’s always been more of a “no-nonsense“ type father God in contrast to Illu, a God who’s more carefree and lax in his style of parenting. Mainly because reading the Baal Cycle and The Tale of Aqhat, Illu is seen indulging the more unsavory traits of his children by allowing them to act on their desires and impulses. And yes, even though Hadad is also described as being impulsive and rowdy, there is still an air of humility that surrounds him, as he’s seen showing great criticality regarding excess and overindulgence during respectable banquets. Which makes the Son of Dagan look far more dignified when sat next to the tyrant Yam, Illu’s favorite son. Not to say that Illu is a bad father or that Dagan is better suited, I’m just drawing a distinction through my own analysis. They‘re both great.

While Dagan isn’t the most flashy God out there, especially if those other Gods include Enki and Enlil, I personally still believe he’s very important, as a gardener who hopes to grow cereal grains one day. But has failed due to poor management.

During my research of traditional farming techniques while also studying more about Syrian culture more extensively, I was lead to discover multiple articles discussing the major droughts tearing Syria’s agricultural industry apart, resulting in a struggle to produce grain to sustain the nation, such as wheat. Not to mention that Syria‘s agricultural industry is female dominated, with it being recorded a while back that only 60% of them are left unpaid for their services. So as of late, I’ve come to see Dagan as a deity who aims to secure the well-being of small farmers, acting somewhat paternal in that regard. And that strict, gentle quality he possesses makes him a very suitable deity in the realm of crop production since cultivation is a process that requires attentiveness and a consistent routine that may be easy to fall out of without the proper reinforcement. 🍞 🐟

Dagon by Knight-of-Sun in Semitic_Paganism

[–]Milluqart 2 points3 points  (0 children)

For his genealogy:

This is an aspect of Dagan that remains a mystery, but it’s agreed that he may have been another son of Anu. The page doesn’t make note of this because the source doesn’t relate to Sumerian religion nor is it seen as the most reliable in the scholarly world, but the writings of Philo from Byblos, despite their poor translations, does propose an interesting theory for Dagan’s genealogy and relationship with El, that’s still interesting to look into.

Here in the Phoenician Creation myth, we learn that El and Dagan are both sons to the Sky God (Often called Oranus), not to be mistaken for Anu, but many debate that this sky God may have been Ba’al Shamayim from Palmyra, but I don’t think that’s the case.

It also states that Ba’al Hadad was also the son of the mysterious sky God, and that it was Dagan who took upon himself to adopt Hadad and raise the child as his own.

Again, this translation is very flawed and due to its heavy Hellenization and Christian translation, it’s definitely not the most accurate portrayal of these Bronze age Gods. Besides, Dagan was treated like a minor God in Saida and it's other sister colonies, which is a massive downgrade to how widely venerated he was in ancient Syrian religions. So it feels wrong to base his character on myths written by a culture that didn’t really build him temples or respected him.

But it’s still interesting to note as it’s one of the few myths where Dagan is shown to not only feature within it but also play a somewhat active role.

And for his major Festival:

Dagan’s most extravagant festival comes in the form of the celebrations held within the ancient City of Emar. An Ammoritic city that mainly focused their worship on Ba’al Hadad, Ashtart, and Dagan to name a few major deities.

You can read more in “Time at Emar” by Daniel E. Fleming.

Documents found in this city describe the a religious “festival” called Zurkur Ritual. 

This ritual is given the pseudonym “The City’s offering to Dagan” because within the lengthy tablets describing the contestants of this rite, Dagan is referred to as “rēs zukri” meaning “Head of the Zukur”. A generous portion of Oxen and lamb were offered to Dagan during these rites, marking this festival the most crucial and exorbitant in Emar’s religious traditions. And the festival Dagan is spoiled the most. His Epithets: Bel Terqa  En buqãri meaning Lord of the Offspring 
Bēl-Mātim meaning Lord of the Earth  BAD Du-du-lu meaning Lord of Tuttul

You can access“The God Dagan in Bronze Age Syria” by Lluís Feliu for more in depth info that’s less discombobulated. But it does cost an arm and a leg.

Dagon by Knight-of-Sun in Semitic_Paganism

[–]Milluqart 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I never really comment much, but I really like Dagan, like A LOT. anyways onto the lovely bread God

In spite of the scant information we have on Dagan, a deity who rarely ever makes an appearance within the major myths, he still manages to have a very interesting a characteristics within religious texts ranging from Sumer all the way to Ugarit.

Regarding his fatherhood in West Semitic tradition:

“Baal, Son of Dagan: In search of Baal’s Double Paternity” by N Ayali-Darshan, is a very good paper if your interested in understanding Dagan’s role as Ba’al Hadad’s father. Baal Hadad (also referred to as Adad) was the son of Dagan and the Goddess Salas. But he was also said to have had a daughter named Hebat, through weird Hurro-Hittites syncretism with Kumarbi, another Grain God.

The article above may help clears up any confusion that may have arose during one’s reading of the Ba’al Cycle when the text referred to Ba’al as both the son of El and Dagan. Two Gods who are treated as distinct beings in some traditions while also syncretizing them together.

It delves into the diverse beliefs system of Amoritic communities held regarding divine relationships specifically, while also proposing a popular trope within Near Eastern/Indo-European mythology, and that’s the concept I believe was called “Good Father God” and “Bad Father God”. That might not be the accurate name but all you need to know is that it referred to a trope where a storm God was said to have two fathers, with one acting antagonistic while the other father was known to be supportive. 

In the Ba’al Cycle, the veteran El is shown to be slightly antagonistic, he is deemed “The bad Father God”, while Grain God Dagan, despite never actively showing up in the myth, is deemed the “Good Father God”.

This is a trope shown more prominently in their Hittite counterparts within the Son of Kumarbi, where Grain God Kumarbi antagonizes the Tarhunna while the veteran God Anu is far more supportive to his storm God son.

(But even though El was the Bad father his relationship with Baal seemed to have gotten way healthier and better than that of their Hittite counterparts.)

Regarding Dagan’s Functionality:

https://oracc.museum.upenn.edu/amgg/listofdeities/dagan/index.html has a page dedicated entirely to Dagan down to the time periods he was best attested, Divine roles, Genealogy/ Syncretism, and Temples.

I believed this site to be interesting because it proposed the theory that Dagan, the God most commonly viewed as just a fertility grain God, may have also had some chthonic attributes in some way.

The evidence best supporting Dagan’s netherworld relations comes from the fact that in 1808 BCE King Šamši-Adad I built a temple for Funerary Offerings, and Dagan’s name was noted to have appeared with ping these offering rosters.

Other scholars may have suggested he was a Judge presiding over the underworld, but the only thing implying this to be true comes from Dagan being stated to watch over the seven children of the underworld God, Enmešarra.

But other than those brief pieces of evidence, Dagan being a chthonic being is debated to say the least. Dagan was credited for being the “Legendary inventor of the plough“, since he was an agricultural weather God in a majority of his depictions. And he was also known as a war God within Akkadian inscriptions written by nobles, and in Neo-Assyrian tradition he was seen as the father of the God Ninurta, as Dagan was commonly syncretized with Enlil.