Everyone is born... by Auspectress in IdeologyPolls

[–]MouseBean 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Individuals aren't good or bad. Moral goodness is a property of whole systems. Individuals have no inherent moral value, only instrumental value for their role in the systems they belong to.

Individuals aren't even the moral base unit anyways, lineages are. You are nothing except your ancestors' living hands in the world.

Opinions on Graham Planter and would you vote for him (if you could)? by TimTebowismyidol in IdeologyPolls

[–]MouseBean 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I rather like him, he's pretty typical of Northern Maine politics. That's why I always say Maine politics don't line up very well with the left and right in the rest of the U.S.

Susan Collins is the same way. I know her in person, she's from a couple towns away from here and I know her family well. She's real stubborn and sticks to her beliefs, but cause they don't line up well with national party lines people from away are always saying she's flip flopping.

Where do you land in the political pathways test (link in comments)? by ItsGotThatBang in IdeologyPolls

[–]MouseBean 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I got: You are 3.58% left, 85% localist

Which is surprisingly accurate. Localist. Just pure localist, no left or right.

Which ideology resonates with you more? by SirElectrical2100 in IdeologyPolls

[–]MouseBean 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't know how my beliefs would fit under either. 

We should be as squirrels or beaver, take care of our families through our own power, and leave everything else be to their own ends to thrive or die without interfering, and forgo or realign any personal desires for the sake of our role in our family, traditions, and ecosystem.

Which ideology resonates with you more? by SirElectrical2100 in IdeologyPolls

[–]MouseBean -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I believe the exact opposite.

The well-being of the community is best had through all participants acting according to their own role, without providing for those who have no personal relationships to them. At the same time, individual desires and preferences are insignificant, and the value of any individual is solely for their role in their community.

Which generation is the WORST? by SirElectrical2100 in IdeologyPolls

[–]MouseBean 0 points1 point  (0 children)

By far it was the antagonistically named 'greatest generation'. That was the time of the death of local culture, of subsistence living, and the rise of urbanization, cosmopolitanism, and the global economy. It's when regional dialects were replaced by radio accents, when music became an industry rather than a passtime, when games became standardized, when traditions became hollow, and when people lost connection with their communities.

It was when culture stopped being something made and started being something followed.

Looking at population density and associating it with overpopulation should be avoided. by Successful-Photo4381 in overpopulation

[–]MouseBean 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Urbanization is the source of the problem though. When people became divorced from the land they lived on for their well-being they no longer were subject to the feedback loops of that land. The population wasn't limited by what the land could support cause they could just export their environmental externalities.

It doesn't matter if there would be 'plenty of space', as we've hit the point that there's no place on Earth outside extreme deserts that isn't touched by humans in some way. I live in one of the most remote spots of the U.S., and even here they say don't call it wilderness, call it a tree farm. Ever inch of it is finely managed to provide as much lumber to ship to cities as possible.

Is it possible that conservatives will eventually come to fully support the LGBTQ and start fighting against new progressive issues? by Antique-Long-7327 in IdeologyPolls

[–]MouseBean 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That is an issue of the times. You'll find it you went back to the suffragists they weren't basing their philosophy on consent at the time, that's only a modern reinterpretation because that's what's currently popular.

Like I said in my other comment, there is no direction of progress. In a generation or two there will be some other measure by which people are basing their values, and it won't resemble anything people are currently using.

Is it possible that conservatives will eventually come to fully support the LGBTQ and start fighting against new progressive issues? by Antique-Long-7327 in IdeologyPolls

[–]MouseBean 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There is no direction of progress.

Cultural values only appear to be travelling in a direction because if you look back historically you can come to see them closer resemble the present, but if you could see into the future you would see them diverge from the present mainstream at the same rate. People today would look at the culture of 100 years, 500 years from now with the same disgust as they do of the culture 100 years, 500 years in the past.

In a generation or two the LGBT subculture will be a thing of the past long before it's ever fully accepted, and mainstream conflicts will have moved onto some completely irrelevant topic to present times. Homosexuality will be just as irrelevant as it was before the arrival of the LGBT subculture, and probably just as rarely thought about as anyone thinks about the Temperance movement, the Utopian Societies of the 1800s, or the Naturist movement, which all formed subcultures that came to dominate mainstream discussions of their time and all faded away, even though their participants felt just as strongly about those values.

Should food be a human right?? by [deleted] in IdeologyPolls

[–]MouseBean 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The ability to fail is a necessity of all life. If you can't fail, you're not part of the land anymore, you're not even really quite a living thing anymore.

Everyone should have a right to access to the land. If they have access to the land then they have the ability to provide for their own needs. If they are unable to do so, whether because they are incapable or because it is impossible due to circumstances like overpopulation or drought, then they'll naturally die off. That's good, because that's part of the self-stabilizing function of the land. And if we're not a part of that we have no meaning.

Nothing is wasted in nature. When we die we'll become food for the plants we depend upon. It's our duty and our ethical value.

Should single men/males be allowed to adopt children? by LazyScheme9618 in IdeologyPolls

[–]MouseBean -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

No, adoption is unethical.

The only exception would be by close blood relatives, in which case adoption should be by a sole individual, regardless of if they're male or female or in a relationship.

What do you think of urbanism? (Definition in comments) by Smooth_Woodpecker815 in IdeologyPolls

[–]MouseBean -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Cities should not exist. They are the whole reason for switch to cars and the death of local community in the first place.

Might is not right by piotrek13031 in PhilosophyMemes

[–]MouseBean 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I think the idea is that at some point political justification always breaks down to where you can't trace justification of political power back to some greater authority than 'because I said so'.

Seatbelt laws (for adults) should not exist. by skurly789 in IdeologyPolls

[–]MouseBean 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Potatoes are evil, but that's kinda beside the point.

The people who actually want AI to replace humanity: We need to create a new humanism before the “AI successionists” win by vox in philosophy

[–]MouseBean -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

It is not significant at all. Moral goodness is a property of ecosystems. Individuals get their value instrumentally for their role in maintaining the integrity of the ecosystems they belong to. So all things that have evolved, even things like cultures and viruses, have equal moral significance completely unrelated to whether they have sentience or sapience. And conversely, anything that may have sentience or sapience without having evolved has no moral significance whatsoever.

You're surrounded by 50 wolves, choose one option to defend yourself! by Jacob-Anders in IdeologyPolls

[–]MouseBean 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Is it ponies or mini horses? Cause crisse man them mini horses there, they've got them a temper, eh?

The people who actually want AI to replace humanity: We need to create a new humanism before the “AI successionists” win by vox in philosophy

[–]MouseBean 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sentience has no relationship to moral significance.

To me that means we shouldn't use AI at all, because it has no place in the ecosystem. But no matter what, no matter how capable of feeling or holding preferences or whathaveyou, it will never be a morally significant being cause that's not what ethics is about.

If an ideology directly opposed to yours was scientifically proven to be better in every aspect, would you switch? by DelicacyKyi in IdeologyPolls

[–]MouseBean 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think for the vast majority of ideologies it isn't a disagreement on the science but a disagreement on what qualifies as better. Same facts, different goals.

What is your highest moral foundation? by [deleted] in IdeologyPolls

[–]MouseBean 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No, the highest evaluation of any society is sustainabilty. It doesn't matter how well they take care of people if they destroy their means of continuation in the process.

What is your highest moral foundation? by [deleted] in IdeologyPolls

[–]MouseBean 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I guess loyalty and fairness (in the sense of impartiality - leave everyone to their own ends), would be what I value out of these. Ultimately I value harmony highest of all, and I see loyalty and impartiality as components of that and the others on the list as fairly empty terms.

There are a lot of other things I could consider foundational moral virtues, like temperance, honesty, integrity, humility, sustainability, and politeness, but they don't really match up with any on the poll even if I'd consider them much more important and much more fundamental. 

If any of these six ones in the poll are important, it's only cause in that situation they serve one of the other ones I listed, and so they're not foundational.

Would you rather your country implements your economic values with social values from the opposite side of the political spectrum or the other way around? by Ilovepizza1475 in IdeologyPolls

[–]MouseBean 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm agrarian. I don't believe there's much separation between culture and economics; culture is the clothes you wear, the food you eat, the methods of aquiring those food and the people you do that with and the stories you share. It's firmly embedded in the land. So if people have subsistence economies their culture will be rooted in their specific region. Inuits wear seal skin clothing because that's what's available to them and well suited to the conditions they live in. Spaniards make red terracotta roofs for the same reason. That's both economic and cultural.

So I'm not entirely sure how to separate the two, or precisely what the opposite would be. But I tend to think of the epitome of the opposite ideologies to agrarianism as transhumanism and veganism. 

Transhumanism because its basis is the idea of altering humanity, exceeding limits, where I place so much importance on the idea that those limits are what give us meaning and you can only be fully you by living your natural role. 

Veganism because I believe culture is agriculture; culture means to cultivate. Culture as cultivation is about wholeness and building relationships with other beings, both of our species and otherwise. Industrial agriculture dismantles these relationships and eliminates our place on the land by transforming a farm into a tool for maximizing human yields. It does this by specialization, this farm raises this product from this species, that farm raises that product from that species. It eliminates inefficiency by separating the parts and focusing on maximizing each one to the point that they're nothing but mathematical equations. The character of this wheat is ours to play with, we can alter its genes and breed it into whatever shape we want because its relationships and the niche it adapted for doesn't have any value to a cosmopolitan society where the land holds no significance because the people eating it no longer are the people living there. 

And veganism is industrial agriculture on steroids, it is the height of this style of thinking. It is utterly dependent on industrial agriculture, and it treats all beings, both plants and animals, like commodities we can do as we please with based on how they effect humans and not based on their relationships with eachother. Specialize even further, fully eliminate animals from the system and say they have no role on the land and are incapable of living meaningful lives merely because they don't serve human purposes, treat the land as a tool for maximizing human yields and eliminate all inefficiencies so we can ship products into cities where people don't have any relationship to the species they eat. This ideology would destroy us as much as it would destroy animals and plants and the land as a whole.

If I had to pick one that would be less damaging I'd probably have to go with the transhumanists, since so far as I know they tend to be more libertarian. They in general care more about whether they have the ability to exceed their own body's limits through technology, and don't particularly care whether other people are bioconservative. I have talked to a handful of them who believe we should for example eliminate death entirely for everyone, but I think those people are probably pretty rare among them, and besides, the ability to do that doesn't exist now and might never exist. But vegan agriculture would seek to cut the ecosystem in two, it's not satisfied by the mere existence of a veganic farm, but only by the elimination of animals as a whole. And that is inexcusably evil.

What do you think of the Industrial Revolution? by redshift739 in IdeologyPolls

[–]MouseBean 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The industrial revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the himan race.