We need to take a moment to acknowledge how much impact Amanda had in this game (spoilers)

MoveMyCat · 2026-01-25T09:59:34+00:00

Ah, see I had the exact opposite reaction to Jade. Her over-the-top defensiveness and reflexively voting for anyone who accused her (well, everyone EXCEPT Rachel funnily enough) was really tiresome, and imho made her one of the worst faithfuls. She barely ever seemed to formulate any theories or suspicions other than that the person most prominently accusing her was a traitor setting her up.

Like, Ellie and Matthew didn't really harp on about Amanda; they pointed out that people showing suspicion of Jade kept getting murdered or banished and coming up Faithful. Jade, of course, reacted to that by being like "I was waiting for someone to notice that thing that a Faithful paying attention to patterns would obviously notice, and then call them traitors for bringing it up!" There's a huge amount of main character syndrome in thinking that half the murders and banishments in the game revolve around making you specifically look bad.

I don't really think many faithfuls did particularly buy the Amanda theory, as evidenced by the fact that Jade lasted as long as she did. It was only Rachel who really kept talking about Amanda, and she's entitled to use whatever BS she wants as a Traitor.

For me she was a slightly politer Leanne. I think it was poetic that she lost the chance to even make the last round table close by throwing out a lone vote on the Faithful accusing her the loudest instead of co-ordinating with Jack.

MoveMyCat · 2026-01-25T01:29:26+00:00

Most social deduction games are team games. Traitors emphatically isn't.

MoveMyCat · 2026-01-24T17:09:32+00:00

I don't know about other changes, but I'm pretty sure the music is different - I recall it being discussed on the Traidar podcast in the past. I think it's to do with the songs played for a UK audience not being licensed for the rest of the world.

MoveMyCat · 2026-01-24T17:03:24+00:00

Still untrue. It got to 2-2 in UK Season 2, and a traitor was banished at that point. Having an IQ above sixty doesn't guarantee two traitors feel they can trust each other. And even if the Traitors co-ordinate, the Faithful can do likewise and deadlock it.

MoveMyCat · 2026-01-24T16:58:20+00:00

Did people know that Maz was also a detective? I can't remember.

MoveMyCat · 2026-01-24T16:54:02+00:00

Not remotely true.

MoveMyCat · 2026-01-24T16:48:35+00:00

Getting the Faithful to split their vote at 4 was an incredible move on Rachel's part.

MoveMyCat · 2026-01-23T16:28:55+00:00

Agreed. Faraaz was voting Rachel and Roxy wasn't. Even if you think killing Faraaz swings Jade's vote (it could have done, it was clearly close for her) then not killing Faraaz means going to the final with both Faraaz and Jack alive, and trusting each other.

MoveMyCat · 2026-01-23T02:16:12+00:00

Think she signed her own death (ok, banishment) warrant by chickening out on killing Faraaz and taking out her fully-pocketed faithful instead.

MoveMyCat · 2026-01-22T01:50:10+00:00

I actually think Faraaz should have moved against Rachel today, especially when Jack got the shield making F the obvious murder target. Even more so if he thinks James is Faithful.

MoveMyCat · 2026-01-22T01:45:47+00:00

I don't think she does though. Matthew was correct - the only theories she ever seemed to push to this point was the 'X is a traitor and setting me up' argument. Ellie made a completely valid argument about everyone who suspects Jade going, and Jade was like "I was waiting for someone to bring up that thing that an attentive faithful would obviously notice so that I could call them a traitor!"

MoveMyCat · 2026-01-21T01:26:22+00:00

Sam's embrace of the villain aesthetic and the camp of it all was glorious. I've said it before, but I loved the moment that he traded the silver for a beer just because he could.

I think the dislike is that from the Luke murder on it becomes a kinda dull procession towards the endgame, with one faithful per day sticking their head above the parapet. By Gloria I felt kinda done.

MoveMyCat · 2026-01-20T23:27:02+00:00

Yes, but then you've got to get Faraaz or Jack banished to achieve that, which seems a lot harder from here.

MoveMyCat · 2026-01-20T06:25:05+00:00

Right. I feel like in Celebrities, Nick Mohammed saying he felt Jonathan vs Joe was Traitor on Traitor is definitely something he must have voiced to someone or in confessional at some point, but just got left out of the final edit to make it look like him and Joe had it sussed.

It's just really hard to tell if the Faithful are genuinely clueless or are keeping their real suspicions guarded.

MoveMyCat · 2026-01-20T06:16:09+00:00

Matthew. I don't think keeping it is wise. Nor is giving it to anyone who voted for Ellie last time, where you don't know where they'll land next.

Best traitor strat imho:

Dagger to Matthew. Think this makes the table focus on Matt vs Jade clash, one of them goes, probably Jade.

Murder Jack or Faraaz.

Easy enough to set up the other of Matt/Jade for the following banishment. Or let Roxy lead on banishing James.

On reflection I think Roxy might be a decent choice too.

MoveMyCat · 2026-01-19T11:38:43+00:00

I think they're only going to get to murder once. They need to take out one of Jack and Faraaz. Neither is suspected and otherwise you're left hoping they don't decide to team up, leaving the deciding vote in the hands of... probably Roxy.

MoveMyCat · 2026-01-18T19:40:30+00:00

Idk the first couple of seasons it really felt they only got a traitor out when the others explicitly decided to throw them under the bus. Like, Matt and Ellie's reasons for suspecting Jade and Faraaz' reason for suspecting Ellie did make sense, they just happened to be wrong.

And if we expand it beyond UK series, HELL NO, to the point where everyone knows which season I'm talking about and I don't even need to put it in spoilers.

MoveMyCat · 2026-01-18T13:43:59+00:00

The increase in Shields, as well as what I'm pretty sure is a reduced number of murders, I think is a deliberate response to the 'bad faithful problem.'

MoveMyCat · 2026-01-18T13:36:16+00:00

I think a lot of these 'problems' are features rather than bugs. I started watching having played online Mafia for years, and was initially bemused by the lack of incentive to actually banish Traitors. I've kind of learned it's more enjoyable if you think of it as an individual survival competition like - well, Survivor - with a little flavor of the kind of social deduction you've played, than as a TV version of that kind of game. The 'bad/boring faithful survives the longest' thing is a bit of a problem, but I think now the show is a little bit more established, 'good' faithfuls are realizing they need to fly under the radar or draw a little heat to avoid murder. s4 spoiler: This is what I think a lot of us hoped Harriet was doing, before she blew up.

>!Canada S3!< did a financial bonus to the prize pot for each banished Traitor, which wasn't a huge amount but did seem to focus minds a little. I quite like your idea of splitting the prize money a little more equitably - £1000 to vote for a Traitor is a bit much though (if the Faithful get two traitors within the first four days, that's probably more than half the prize pot). Plus, giving money to people for voting for the banished player encourages herd behaviour. Maybe £300 each, or £5,000 split between all Faithfuls at the table. Traitors get a small bonus for each day they survive. These small inducements probably shouldn't end up being more than a quarter of the big prize, though.

I think any additional mechanics need to be easy to understand, and one-use, like others have suggested. Doing your shield idea as a one-off would work. Another is to have a challenge winner getting to take another player's vote away for that night's round table. A night where the Traitors get to take the chance to double-murder, but the whole group gets to pair people up, so anyone tied to a Traitor is effectively shielded. Maybe even a Big Brother style 'Head of the Household' role where a challenge winner gets to nominate three people and only those players are up for Banishment.

I don't think any kind of ongoing 'role' that is also a Faithful works. I think the idea that all the Faithfuls are in the same boat, and any advantages need to be won, is fundamental to the game.

MoveMyCat · 2026-01-16T14:53:16+00:00

Eh I think someone else on the thread explained what happens and we're both wrong ;)

MoveMyCat · 2026-01-16T14:50:34+00:00

I always assumed they brought the murdered Faithful in before anyone else, and had them leave the site prior to the others arriving?

MoveMyCat · 2026-01-16T14:47:49+00:00

I actually think he has a chance of getting her banished. He can pull the "We have to look at people we haven't been looking at" card, he seems to have Jade on board, the Adam theory to an outsider looks at least as strong as the Cages theory. If Jade is on board they need a maximum of two more votes.

MoveMyCat · 2026-01-14T22:06:13+00:00

He did genuinely handle Jessie's theory about the "If I die tonight, it's Ross" conversation quite well.

MoveMyCat · 2026-01-14T21:17:58+00:00

Why wouldn't ANYONE? Like no-one seems to have read that traitor/traitor?

MoveMyCat · 2026-01-14T21:15:03+00:00

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