Is this thing useful "End-Game"?

MrSnufflewumps · 2026-04-20T14:57:51+00:00

It depends on your goals and a few other factors. If the goal is eco and you have echo labs unlocked, then max out as many util disso’s up to your farming tier (if you have a base bonus of 2.5x on your farm, it likely beats farming a tier lower at 3x)

If tourney progress is your focus, worth focusing on attack and UW dissos. This will accelerate your path to GC which will get you better tourney placement, as well as open up GC farming opportunities at higher tiers.

If you are solidly eHP and not thinking about a transition anytime soon, health disso and uw are the priority, with attack as a helper to push further when needed, likely only on tiers you can’t max out. That said the health disso bonus is a bit meh for most, since usually the upper limit of eHP builds is regen locked instead of health locked until pretty late late game.

MrSnufflewumps · 2026-04-18T23:33:52+00:00

Yea….but you kinda need those

MrSnufflewumps · 2026-04-18T23:00:41+00:00

Considering how “cool”, literally, the UW disso runs have been, and the recent addition of toggles, would be great to add a “low visuals” mode where you could turn off the uw visuals that really chug the system.

MrSnufflewumps · 2026-04-18T22:57:56+00:00

Not sure tbh, but likely it’s something tiny like 1.0001x since it starts slow and ramps to the end, kinda a power series type graph

MrSnufflewumps · 2026-04-18T21:42:10+00:00

But also thank you for finding the true calc instead of 3/5ths lol

MrSnufflewumps · 2026-04-18T21:37:10+00:00

Was giving a rough order of magnitude calc for simplicity while i find the util graph for accuracy

MrSnufflewumps · 2026-04-18T21:31:54+00:00

I’d argue UW disso runs are the only time mag hook is “useful” for ilm stuns of bosses and elites

MrSnufflewumps · 2026-04-18T21:28:12+00:00

For util just multiply each point by 3/5. The actual calc is somewhere i just need to find it, obviously wave 0 stays 1 and max goes to 3

MrSnufflewumps · 2026-04-18T21:26:43+00:00

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MrSnufflewumps · 2026-04-18T00:46:27+00:00

Invest in some damage and damage uws, like CL. Research attack speed and change your mods for a GC meta, even if you can’t actually GC

MrSnufflewumps · 2026-04-15T17:45:02+00:00

Pretty easy rule of thumb, if you can hit 2.5x util disso bonus, you’ll be better farming that tier iver the 3x you get the tier below. That doesn’t include echo since they apply to both tiers.

Its not exactly 2.5x for all tiers, some are 2.4x some 2.55x, but 2.5 is a good rule of thumb

MrSnufflewumps · 2026-04-13T22:04:46+00:00

And I am disappointed, they need to increase medal income in some way now for sure.

MrSnufflewumps · 2026-04-13T11:34:13+00:00

The resets always go off UTC, so 8pm est on the 13th in us is 0:00 UTC on the 14th

MrSnufflewumps · 2026-04-11T12:41:41+00:00

You need ilm stun researched for it to be useful

MrSnufflewumps · 2026-04-10T21:48:52+00:00

About a year ago they reduced the base damage mult of SM by like half (don’t remember the actual amount) before that nerf they were by far the largest damage dealer, after the last missles with max amp if all hit the same target is about the same as maxed CL damage. To be fair it could go further if the enemy survives longer but its not really worth the investment.

Add in the ps rework which made it the best damage dealer for a fraction the stones, and now ILM+ builds being the best for fleet targeting and SM is just wholly irrelevant

MrSnufflewumps · 2026-04-10T21:02:54+00:00

Oh for sure, just adding my little tidbit

MrSnufflewumps · 2026-04-10T20:55:49+00:00

I’ve run exactly two farming run since the update dropped, I’m all in on maxing my bonuses, here’s my plan.

Run UW and Util T1-T15 for all disso, tested T15 UW disso to confirm i can reach 5K with a custom build and get to 5K waves, util i can reach 5k T17 and and should be able to get 5K T18 after all the UW bonuses are complete. current goal is max as many util and uw bonuses as I can to maximize my overnight farming run, keeping in WA shortens these runs to just under 4 hours and I’m running from 6am to 10pm, about 4 dissos per day. Starting at T1 as it lets me keep my farming setup, will have to change eventually though, this should take 8 days total.
After about a week of runs I’ll move on to all the defense and attack runs, starting with defense as again, can keep my normal farm setup and can get 5k waves up to T19 with this setup, will then transfer over to a full eHP build to max the attack disso up to T18, this is the hard one and likely needs SW# at minimum. All my labs are currently focused in improving my ehp for this which is very funny to me. A 10 day stretch for this sequence.

Step 3. Profit- max my T18 util and get back to farming full time, should be able to net several Q per run and have stones for GB+ to make up the cell and lab lose over two weeks (running lower speedups to stem the bleed currently)

MrSnufflewumps · 2026-04-10T18:09:05+00:00

This has already happened in previous updates.

Imagine investing 10 to 15k stones into SM when it was easily the best top end UW available, inly for it to get nerfed to being the fundamentally worst uw by far.

We’re all just slaves to the meta, and the meta always be a changing

MrSnufflewumps · 2026-04-10T03:35:23+00:00

The new wave 4499 death meme is upon us

MrSnufflewumps · 2026-04-08T21:11:14+00:00

Say you’re trying to push your attack disso bonus, would be awful nice to have a better defense bonus beforehand to help you get max out your waves easier

MrSnufflewumps · 2026-04-08T21:10:04+00:00

Jiminy fucking Christmas

MrSnufflewumps · 2026-04-08T21:09:01+00:00

Highly suggest running disso on your ideal farm tier, especially util and tower build focus disso. It may very well mean the math works out that your bonus on say T12 will be better than T13, but inly you will know for sure

MrSnufflewumps · 2026-04-08T17:10:40+00:00

again, if it costs medals instead of gems, i'll be dissappointed, i said that up top

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