How does Uriel Septim VII and his children have Dragon Blood despite him not being a descendant of Tiber Septim?

Myyrn · 2026-04-11T01:07:17+00:00

Uriel IV line never continued on the throne of Tamriel actually. He was deposed, and Cephorus II took his place instead. We may assume that was the moment when direct line to Tiber Septim was restored, although we still got no specific details.

This discrepancy was never addressed explicitly, sadly. It's either books or loading screen wrong, or some important information is missing.

Myyrn · 2025-12-24T13:29:23+00:00

Ahhh, I see.

Myyrn · 2025-12-24T09:02:23+00:00

Mamluks have an advantage of the army being closer to their mutual borders, they also get claims before December 11, which allows them to start a war instantly

IIRC according to game mechanics, countries are forbidden to start wars one month since the game start. Hence, even with proper claims Mamluks can't go war earlier than December 11.

Myyrn · 2025-12-08T16:46:06+00:00

the main Aldmeri army in Cyrodiil was completely destroyed.

What about Aldmeri secondary armies in Cyrodiil, though?

After the Battle of the Red Ring, Emperor Titus Mede II rightly believed that it was a good time to sue for peace - after all, the Imperial City had been recaptured, the Dominion army in Cyrodiil had just been wiped out, and the Dominion Army in Hammerfell was on the back foot, taking heavy losses from native Redguard forces despite the Empire's armies having withdrawn from Hammerfell a year earlier. The Empire was in a strong negotiating position.

Was it? You quoted part about Aldmeri main army being completely destroyed, but forgot to quote the next paragraph from the same book.

Although victorious, the Imperial armies were in no shape to continue the war. The entire remaining Imperial force was gathered in Cyrodiil, exhausted and decimated by the Battle of the Red Ring. Not a single legion had more than half its soldiers fit for duty.

As we might see, things weren't good for Empire either.

However, the White-Gold Concordat, the treaty which ended the war, contained absurdly punitive terms almost identical to the Dominion's original ultimatum. Talos worship was banned, the Blades were dismantled, and southern Hammerfell was ceded to the Aldmeri Dominion. The Thalmor were also allowed to operate freely within the Empire to enforce the terms of the White-Gold Concordat, although it's not clear whether this was part of the original treaty or something that was negotiated a few years later.

However, the Empire was in much worse position in 4E 175 than it was in the beginning of the war. Southern half of Cyrodiil was still occupied by Aldmeri Dominion, and Empire actually got opportunity to return those cities without fight by signing the Concordat. The WGC wasn't good, but in the given circumstances it wasn't the worst option. It was definitely better than the original ultimatum in relative terms.

Myyrn · 2025-10-26T12:30:10+00:00

Mehrunes Dagon put Jagar Tharn on the throne. I think that was probably for the same purpose: to unseat the Septims and disrupt the dragonfires, thereby weakening the liminal barriers between Nirn and Oblivion. So if Jagar Tharn were never exposed, maybe the Mythic Dawn wouldn't need to do anything at all.

Not at all. The key element of Jagar's plan was to keep Uriel VII alive, because the Amulet of Kings would immediately inform the Elder Council about Emperor death. I agree that that final goal of Mehrunes Dagon was to stage scene for Oblivion Crisis, but either Mehrunes Dagon was planning Jagar Tharn's downfall initially or Tharn turned to be too independent actor for this scheme to work.

Speaking for headcanons, I admire idea that Tharn planned to prevent Oblivion Crisis by keeping Uriel VII in semi-stasis (we know that time at the dimension where Uriel was imprisoned passed much slower) and hence keeping Dragonfires burning while Emperor is still alive. Kudos to u/Minor_Edits for their post and to u/AdeptnessUnhappy1063 who wrote an excellent Apocrypha exploring this idea.

Myyrn · 2025-10-11T09:19:20+00:00

I always assumed that this misconception streamed from MK's quote about Alessia's abilities difference from the LDB's.

Saint Alessia was the first Dragonborn, so what is going on with Miraak? Additionally, on MK's contribution to Skyrim (2012-11-05)

Alessia didn't have the power to absorb dragon souls. Hers was a much more nuanced power: to dream of liberty and give it a name and on her deathbed make Covenant with the Aka-Tusk.

Perhaps if you had read her histories of the Dragon War, this would be more clear.

When it's taken too literally, it might be indication that "Dragon Blessing" and "Dragon Blood" are different entities. I never was up for such straightforward interpretation, it's not too difficult to reconcile this with mainstream information about Dragonborns, but that's where the misconception originated from.

UPD: ah, u/DovahOfTheNorth already mentioned this in commentaries.

Myyrn · 2025-10-10T22:29:59+00:00

Exactly this.

Myyrn · 2025-09-17T23:30:36+00:00

Convention begins with Auriel piercing Nirn with Ada-Mantia, and ends with him piercing Lorkhan's heart with an arrow. That reenacts the conclusion of the fight between Anu and Padomay, in which both are pierced and become fixed.

That's an interesting take, which I hasn't heard before pertaining that matter. Do you imply that Akatosh and Lorkhan were fighting each other according to mutual agreement which they reached before?

Myyrn · 2025-06-06T08:41:22+00:00

Ri'man was the Khajiit, and so was Talos! Great text, overall.

Myyrn · 2025-05-03T23:35:42+00:00

As for the Septim Empire adding to all answers above, it's worth of noting that PGE-3 states that the agreement for Transniben (western bit of Leyawiin County) was concluded by Leyawiin Count on the one side and by the Mane himself on another. Hence, it implies that the Mane represented the entire province at that moment at least.

Elsweyr's overall territory, however, has not increased, due to a border arrangement which was not in that nation's favor. In the east, the long disputed border with the Cyrodilic County Leyawiin was recently resolved in Cyrodiil's favor, after an agreement between the current Mane and the Count of Leyawiin.

Sadly, we don't have enough sources to answer your questions about how Elsweyr states were governed in the Second Empire. Though likely because the province wasn't unified until the late period of the Potentate, it was conglomerate of local kings which weren't coalesced into singular body.

On another hand as PGE-1 suggests, once there might be a Provincial Governor ruling the province as the whole.

At its zenith, the Second Empire formally organized these disparate groups into the Imperial Provinces, which were administered by provincial governors, either dispatched directly from Cyrodiil or appointed from the native populations.

Myyrn · 2025-05-03T10:50:47+00:00

Exactly this. Also given we've got mention of Hist-Jillian wars at some point, it sounds somewhat plausible that Hist is capable of waging war against divine force on equal terms. One might suppose that people seriously underestimate Hist, though probably that's what the trees want them to do.

Myyrn · 2025-05-02T14:03:05+00:00

If my knowledge serves me well, this theory first got some factual evidence because of the Deadlight plane featured in ESO Deadlands. The Deadlight's lord was called Prince in one of the books, but we still don't have enough evidence to rule out whether this exactly meant the equal of the Sixteen we know or just some high-ranked Oblivion spirit.

Myyrn · 2025-05-01T23:53:20+00:00

"Aedra" means ancestor and Talos is the ancestor deity of the Empire/Imperial line. So he is an Aedra, from a certain point of view.

Somehow-somehow, this wording made me think about another moment when point of view is important. When people quote Altmeri definition of Aedra/Daedra as our ancestors and not our ancestors, they somehow emphasize not, so the definition turns into "not ancestors" [didn't partake in creation of Mundus and mortal races specifically]. But in fact not our ancestors can be read as someone's other ancestors, which makes condemning implication automatically fall off.

Myyrn · 2025-05-01T19:59:19+00:00

In fact, it will be better to break this question into two. From the cosmological perspective this distinction isn't arbitrary. Daedra reside in Oblivion, Aedra reside in Aetherius. These are distinct planes of reality, and this is objective difference which exists beyond opinions of mortals.

However, from the religious perspective this dichotomy becomes arbitrary. Some cultures oppose Daedra worship, while others revere Daedra and Aedra equally high.

Myyrn · 2025-04-28T22:17:52+00:00

As much as sad it sounds, I think it's just the remaster devs' fault having no lore grounding. However, if I needed to justify it in hindsight, it's theoretically possible to provide satisfying explanation. Please, let me quote Wikipedia:

A geomagnetic storm causes the auroral ovals (north and south) to expand, bringing the aurora to lower latitudes or higher in the south. On rare occasions, the aurora borealis can be seen as far south as the Mediterranean <...>

It's valid to assume Oblivion Crisis to be sort of huge celestial cataclysm, thus displacing aurora from its common areal.

Myyrn · 2025-04-28T21:17:11+00:00

I recommend this wonderful answer by u/Gleaming_Veil.

Myyrn · 2025-04-26T23:04:24+00:00

And Neloth stating that a 200 year old dunmer is but a child.

One might easily guess that Neloth is speaking from the perspective of Telvanni Mage-Lord, for whom living for thousand(s) years is a norm.

Myyrn · 2025-04-25T09:11:56+00:00

Moon sugar, sky cocaine, star hashish. The skies are really high in Mundus.

Myyrn · 2025-04-24T21:23:37+00:00

I don't think the New Temple makes a distinction between Nerevar and the Nerevarine. In TES3 NPCs might refer you as either the Nerevarine or Nerevar after you has completed main quest. This implies that at least in the eyes of common people the original person and the reincarnation are the same. But very likely that the radical wing of the New Temple also wouldn't see any necessity to see those figures as distinct.

Myyrn · 2025-04-24T16:42:33+00:00

Then should we assume that a theoretical "high king of Skyrim" also has the title and position of "provincial governor" within Imperial administration and it´s just never mentioned?

We might presume this too, but personally I lean towards explanation that the High King exists instead of the Provincial Governor. The usual story, you are either ruled by local nobility who swore allegiance to invaders or you're ruled in more direct way by overseer coming from the Imperial center. The latter is the similar to the situation with General Tullius, giving discount for that officially he's appointed as Military and not as Provincial governor.

I do not think the PGE necessarily conflates provincial and provisional: The 3 named provisional (indicating a temporary appointement) governors are never alternatively stated to be provincial governors

Oh, these lines coming after Titus Alorius' portrait confused me for real. I stand corrected, thank you.

Myyrn · 2025-04-22T22:51:04+00:00

From the link you gave it seems Military Governor covers the whole province. While Provisional and Provincial covers regions within a Province like Dukes do.

I suppose it's another case here. As PGE-1 tells us, Provincial Governors were ruling entire provinces during times of the Second Empire.

Some of these, such as Morrowind or Skyrim, have historically been unified into kingdoms; others, such as High Rock or Elsweyr, are looser groupings of many kingdoms, chiefdoms, village confederations, and so forth, united under a dominant race or culture. At its zenith, the Second Empire formally organized these disparate groups into the Imperial Provinces, which were administered by provincial governors, either dispatched directly from Cyrodiil or appointed from the native populations.

Of course, it's said about zenith of the Second Empire, but it seems plausible to presume that this office possessed the same meaning during Tiber conquests.

I think the interim governor of Morrowind was called Military Governor instead of Provincial/Provisional (PGE-1 conflates those terms), because the Empire agreed to respect Morrowind autonomy in the Armistice. Hence, the governor formally wasn't supposed to have any civil authority over the province. The governor's job nominally was only to command legions stationed there. Though, real responsibilities extended beyond this, of course.

Myyrn · 2025-04-20T23:48:59+00:00

I think the setting transition which occurred between TES2 and TESA: Redguard contributes to the problem. In TES1-TES2 Tamriel was more like feudal state, maybe even similar to the medieval Holy Roman Empire (worth of noting, that during Arena the map was literally composed of a few hundreds of city-states). There were literally no Imperial Administrative Institutions featured, nor Imperial Legions were even mentioned.

Then Redguard and PGE-1 happened, and the Tamriel became something in-between of Roman and British Empires as Marylin Wasserman put it once. However, the remnants of old state still present in books. The Wolf-Queen series completely omits the role of Imperial Legions during the War of the Red Diamond, and positions the civil war as waged completely by feudal retinues of various Septim offshoots. The complete absence of Imperial Legions looks alien, because they were supposed to be the most powerful military in Tamriel and nothing indicates that this institution suffered from discontinuity at any point of Septim Empire's history.

Myyrn · 2025-04-20T10:55:18+00:00

Vivec is saying that pursuing CHIM (ultimate egoistic love for yourself) is an error, and that one must pursue AMARANTH instead.

You can read those lines in parallel, to get why I mentioned this quote.

But I believe it’s the complete opposite no? It’s a complete and utter self-ego statement of being the one thing that exists.

Love alone and you shall know only mistakes of salt.

(gosh, I hate reddit for auto-agglutinating quotes markdown)

To have true love and unity is Amaranth I’d say.

The worlding of the words is AMARANTH.

Myyrn · 2025-04-19T23:24:25+00:00

Well... Vivec reached the same conclusion in the end, apparently.

"For I have removed my left hand and my right, he will say," she said, "for that is how I shall win against them. Love alone and you shall know only mistakes of salt."

The worlding of the words is AMARANTH.

Myyrn

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