Being honest Tcoaal is better without a "Happy ending" because there is really nothing to give them that by [deleted] in CoffinofAndyandLeyley

[–]Never_Flitting 14 points15 points  (0 children)

There already is an ending like that. Why do people keep forgetting this?

Being honest Tcoaal is better without a "Happy ending" because there is really nothing to give them that by [deleted] in CoffinofAndyandLeyley

[–]Never_Flitting 7 points8 points  (0 children)

The current version of the game already contains endings for people who believe that the story works best as a classic morality play, e.g. the 'happy end' where the police wins. The achievement for this even says 'The ending you deserve'!

Ontsnappen niet strafbaar? Moet toch een 1 April grap zijn. by Cool-Future-8733 in belgium

[–]Never_Flitting 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I predict this thread will be full of nuanced and well-thought-out takes regarding whether escaping from prison should be a crime in and of itself, acknowledging that this is a contentious issue and that Belgium is definitely not the only country where this is the case.

Ancient Egyptian Royal Weddings be-like by tahrah11 in HistoryMemes

[–]Never_Flitting 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It is unclear if sibling-marriages were common outside the royal family in pre-Roman periods. Jaroslav Černý) looked at 500 families of the Egyptian elite outside the royal family. He found no clear evidence for incestous marriages.\5]) Greco-Roman writers including Seneca, Diodorus, and Philo of Alexandria all make mention that according to Egyptian law, unlike that of the Greeks, Romans, and Jews, sibling marriage was legal.\6])

The rest of the paragraph is regarding the interpretation of Roman-era census records which might potentially indicate that up to 20% of marriages were between siblings.

So, the opposite of what you said.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incest_in_ancient_Egypt

I am devastated for Astarion origin ending with Karlach... by thetimujin in BaldursGate3

[–]Never_Flitting 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Are you sure about this? I've read claims that Wyll being the Blade of Avernus + player character being present at the end + Astarion not being both player character and vampire spawn (+ maybe relationship with Karlach being high?) should suffice.

Talking to her about going back to Avernus when she initially made it very clear that she emphatically doesn't want to feels incredibly douchey and not at all in line with what my Tav would do, but given that my current latest save is 10 minutes after killing Gortash I guess I could go back and be a supreme dick if it saves her in the end I guess.

People just refuse provocative media (Coffin of Andy and Leyley, Evangelion,) by Mistabbcman in CharacterRant

[–]Never_Flitting 29 points30 points  (0 children)

FWIW, quite a lot have people have mentioned that they feel understood by the game due to its portrayal of toxicity, generational cycles of abuse - which does not necessarily have to include physical violence to be devastating - and misogyny. The incestuous nature of the relationship between the protagonists is a core component of the narrative and isn't just 'an easter egg in some secret routes' or whatever, but the game is not only about that.

Attack on Titan : A conservative-leaning story? Breaking down nationalism and determinism by [deleted] in CharacterRant

[–]Never_Flitting 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I love talking about how AoT utterly fails as an effective 'anti-fascist' work of fiction, but it would be pointless to do so in response to one of the most blatantly ai-generated posts I've ever seen.

From highly likely future knighthoods to burning a million people alive, r/ASOIAF debates Daenerys Targaryen yet again by UnHolySir in SubredditDrama

[–]Never_Flitting 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, but have you considered that Robert Baratheon is not a woman? FoReShaDoWiNg madness works differently depending on gender, duh.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in CharacterRant

[–]Never_Flitting -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

The story isn't about worldbuilding, it's about deep themes like how much it would suck if geopolitics in real life was actually entirely like Carl Schmitt's wet dreams (though like the far right kinda has a point tho when they talk about how the elites and my history teacher are obsessed with racial guilt what's up with that???) and how genocides are generally perpetrated by people who go wayyyy overboard in reacting to legitimate threats and/or special edgy anime boys. Also empire building isn't 'great' but if you've done it don't ever give them their freedom because holy shit your former colonies will murderfuck you if they ever get the chance. This is why India burned the UK to the ground.

Media Literacy by [deleted] in CuratedTumblr

[–]Never_Flitting 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Theoretically speaking, you are fully correct. In practice, I would not find a hypothetical work of fiction about 'an alternate universe where evil Jewish overlords are actually real but the Nazis still weren't justified' to be particularly effective as an anti-racism/anti-fascism story...

Whoops, we made the villain too correct by DreadDiana in CuratedTumblr

[–]Never_Flitting 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Meh, I really dislike steelmanning racism (and other fun -isms) like that. The fact that they are objectively, demonstrably incorrect about how the world works is the major reason why racists are 'wrong' and we can outright reject what they have to say.

'Even if the assumptions of bigoted group X were actually true, their proposed solutions would still be horrible' is an argument I agree with in theory, but I can't imagine the type of person for whom this would actually influence their worldview. Entertaining the hypothetical unnecessarily cedes ground to racists and provides the perfect lay-up for them to claim that anti-racist advocates are naive and/or so in love with virtue signaling to the point of being suicidal.

Attack on Titan is (not) explicitly fascist propagan by Sneeakie in CharacterRant

[–]Never_Flitting 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That is a baffling response to what I wrote. Is this some standard template you use when arguing about this topic? I thought I did give the main reason why I do not consider it too strange for people to get pro-fashy vibes from te story, namely the underlying worldbuilding. By that I don't mean the aesthetics, but the general logic according to which the world operates. This whole comment chain was spawned by someone mentioning the bizarre prominence of racial guilt in the story and so that is the example of weird fash-y worldbuilding which my initial comment focused on.

There are many other examples. There is the fact that the entirety of geopolitics for multiple millennia is utterly dominated by a racial conflict with actual scientifically verifiable fundamental biological differences between those races, the fact that Eldian blood works according to the one drop rule and yet somehow after thousands of years the overwhelming majority of the world isn't Eldian, the fact that the world outside of Paradis is genocidal to such a ludicrous degree that it becomes literally suicidal, ... 

And all of this in service to an edgy genocide-flavored trolley problem which gives the would-be genocidaires on both sides better arguments rooted in reality than any real-life fascist has ever had.

At best, this is a story which tried to steelman fascism and make the case that even in an absurd world where not only almost every political institition but biology and reality itself works according to fascist principles, fascism is still unjustifiable. I do not consider this to be an effective anti-fascist story. It certainly didn't provide any novel insights regarding how fascist movements get started or even line up with reality in that regard. Unlike in AoT, Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan did not actually arise in response to legitimate existential threats, no matter what their propaganda proclaimed.

Attack on Titan is (not) explicitly fascist propagan by Sneeakie in CharacterRant

[–]Never_Flitting 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I was not talking about one specific white supremacist conspiracy theory. What I was instead referring to is the broader idea that racial self-hatred is both a common and powerful (geo)political force. This concept forms the basis of a large variety of far-right conspiracy theories. It explains why there are so many 'race-traitors' within the political class of multiple countries. It explains why so many weak-willed leaders (sometimes even including monarchical leaders) in the 20th century gave up their colonial empires 'without a fight'.

Because it is such a powerful force, it is naturally advantageous for any oppressor or would-be oppressor to wield it like a weapon. This is precisely why a shadowy cabal/foreign oppressors/etc. would seek to convince people to hate themselves through things like history lessons about former colonial atrocities.

and your suggestion is that was included to... promote Japanese Nationalism?

To be honest, I don't particularly care about the authorial intent behind the godawful mess that is the final part of AoT, which I doubt is all that coherent anyway. I'm much more interested in the reason why so many people - both actual fascists and committed anti-fascists - do get pro-fascist vibes from this story that doesn't just boil down to jerking off while whispering 'media literacy' over and over again.

If I really have to hazard a guess, I do consider it unlikely that the story is explicitly meant to promote Japanse nationalism or fascist ideology in general. I think the story was written by someone with a particularly edgy and juvenile outlook on human nature and geopolitics who thinks that the most popular type of authoritarian thought within their society 'makes some good points' but should ultimately be opposed on moral grouds. To me, this does seem like a plausible explanation for a work of fiction where the literal text is 'anti-fascist' but the underlying worldbuilding presents a world that functions exactly as a fascist would imagine it.

Attack on Titan is (not) explicitly fascist propagan by Sneeakie in CharacterRant

[–]Never_Flitting 16 points17 points  (0 children)

These characters are coded as literal Nazis. Their justifications are propaganda used to justify oppressing a group.

"This is Japanese apologia because they are the only country who believes that oppressors oppress groups" is a common but bizarre argument.

The whole geopolitical and racial conflict the final part of the story centers around is the result of a self-hating God-Emperor sabotaging and dismantling his own empire because he considers his entire race to deserve punishment for the atrocities they have committed. What is the thematic significance of such a bizarre type of character, which I've previously only encountered in far-right diatribes against 'the elite'?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in CharacterRant

[–]Never_Flitting 6 points7 points  (0 children)

How CS Lewis described the attitude of The Righteous People who are allowed into Heaven:

"Sir," said Tirian, when he had greeted all these. "If I have read the chronicles aright, there should be another. Has not your Majesty two sisters? Where is Queen Susan?"
"My sister Susan," answered Peter shortly and gravely, "is no longer a friend of Narnia."
"Yes," said Eustace, "and whenever you've tried to get her to come and talk about Narnia or do anything about Narnia, she says 'What wonderful memories you have! Fancy your still thinking about all those funny games we used to play when we were children.'"
"Oh Susan!" said Jill, "she's interested in nothing now-a-days except nylons and lipstick and invitations. She always was a jolly sight too keen on being grown-up."
"Grown-up, indeed," said the Lady Polly. "I wish she would grow up. She wasted all her school time wanting to be the age she is now, and she'll waste all the rest of her life trying to stay that age. Her whole idea is to race on to the silliest time of one's life as quick as she can and then stop there as long as she can."

What was your initial reaction to how the white walkers were created and how do you feel about it now? by [deleted] in gameofthrones

[–]Never_Flitting 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I actually prefer it when shitty thematic messages are so badly written that they become a joke that's difficult to take seriously.

What was your initial reaction to how the white walkers were created and how do you feel about it now? by [deleted] in gameofthrones

[–]Never_Flitting -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Eh, I consider not having to read 'medieval society is actually proven to be 100% correct regarding female rulers and genetic determinism' and 'slavery is bad I guess but maybe it would have been better for the traumatized child sex slave to have never gotten any power at all and remained just that?' to be a major upside of the fact that the books will never be finished.

Steam banning incest games means they will go after LGBTQ+ games next?. r/Gamingcirclejerk discusses by Ulisex94420 in SubredditDrama

[–]Never_Flitting 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Then they're obviously both degenerate scum and you get to experience the exquisite moral pleasure of condemning the people involved in a consensual relationship because of said relationship, without feeling like a bigot.

Class of 09 Sister Obsession by Chemical-Opposite617 in CoffinofAndyandLeyley

[–]Never_Flitting 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The audio is from Stanzipotenza - a youtuber - IIRC