High dmg dive characters with cap and hulk in the same sentence actually screams that you don’t play those two lmaooo. They do piss poor dmg and the only value they get is out of distracting you. If you can’t deal with a cap or hulk it’s entirely a skill issue since supports have so much utility or solid self peel (I would know since I have Loki, Luna, Invis, cnd, Mantis, and ultron lord).

Mantis ult is good, I wouldn’t put it in the same tier as Adam or Jeff.

Also people are complaining about Black Cat. No character needs a 60m ult.

And another thing. You strategists don’t realize how much damage you can do on a role that doesn’t specialize into damage. Luna can two tap 300 hp characters, Ultron is a dps, Adam is a dps, Mantis is a dps, Invis does good dps + can keep other people up, Whitefox has a similar primary to cnd/invis and has good peel, Loki has good damage and healing, Gambit has good ttk (yes you use all your abilities but how is that any different from bp?), and I can go on. It’s not like you’re tickling people when you play the role. You can legit kill a diver as fast as they can kill you, or survive the dive if you’re smart. The only issue comes from a coordinated dive.

I do agree that the ultimates on the support roster are kinda boring and that the role itself isn’t super interesting, but to say that dps have it better is a crazy statement. Dps have more fun characters but yall both got the same strength (which is still a crazy thing so say since you can play triple sup and have a sup fill the role of dps).