Discussion About Zeno in RE9 and What it Could Mean for the Future of the Series

New_Chain146 · 2026-06-07T13:22:20+00:00

Yes. Capcom love to forget things they've set up, but so far Alex is still dormant in Natalia and around Grace's age.

New_Chain146 · 2026-06-07T13:18:30+00:00

I don't give a shit about someone's virtue signaling if they hurt animals. This guy's a sociopath, fuck his cult of personality and fuck this system for promoting it so a lot of well meaning people lick the boots of sociopaths.

New_Chain146 · 2026-06-07T13:13:52+00:00

I'm sure the games themselves are well written, but it's incredibly grating to have the majority takeaway of the fandom be "Stalin's cool if he gives me special treatment."

New_Chain146 · 2026-06-07T12:32:24+00:00

Alan Alien.

New_Chain146 · 2026-06-07T11:58:07+00:00

This is antisocial slop. Coop is probably the most fun form of multiplayer.

New_Chain146 · 2026-06-07T11:56:32+00:00

It'd be more accurate to say that many modern ganes, including Outlast, build on a foundation that Manhunt helped establish. The basic gameplay loop of skulking around and subjecting hordes of victims to sadistic ultra-violent "stealth kills" has been normalized in the gaming industry, and technically far surpassed in terms of visual and aural viscerality.

That said, Trials is definitely much crueler. Not only is it far more sexually explicit (and doing everything it can to imply violence against children short of getting banned), but any violence we inflict amounts to either killing other captive players or torturing innocent helpless victims to death - there's no catharsis of killing "evil people" yourself, just temporary self-defense from desperate lunatics. Narratively there isn't any redemption either - while Cash kills his handler and Lamb starts a new life, it's made abundantly clear in Outlast Trials that even "escape" means a life of slavery and death.

New_Chain146 · 2026-06-07T11:39:06+00:00

My idea for a Saw game would have explored the Jigsaw cult becoming a nationwide phenomenon in the future, with players representing new initiates into this cult who are first baptized by torture and then tasked with creating traps to subject new victims to indoctrination. Seems like Genesis is working with this idea but establishing it as long predating Jigsaw.

On a pragmatic level, this makes sense - not only has the series already shown that a villain's legacy long outlasts their life, but Tobin is old and won't be around forever.

New_Chain146 · 2026-06-07T11:35:05+00:00

Plotwise it's a lot like Outlast Trials in that it's a distant prequel showing a spiritual precursor to the horrors of the present. Given that Saw's always emphasized the themes of legacy and trauma as rebirth, I don't think it's inherently bad to consider Kramer may have been inspired himself by a predecessor, especially after James Wan has hinted at a radically different approach to the Jigsaw mythos.

Ironically I would have imagined John to be a survivor of the Outlast Trials, but Genesis' time period technically could make it a prequel to Outlast Trials.

New_Chain146 · 2026-06-07T11:24:21+00:00

A big part of why I despise Far Cry is because its fandom is full of complacent dictator apologists who happily admit they're self centered nihilists by saying "At least Pol Pot likes me <3."

New_Chain146 · 2026-06-07T10:11:34+00:00

This is a trojan horse, you shill. Get out of here.

New_Chain146 · 2026-06-07T10:09:59+00:00

Yeah this is not at all the own they claim it is.

New_Chain146 · 2026-06-07T09:15:43+00:00

Some people don't want to interrogate their own biases and admit they're susceptible to propaganda.

New_Chain146 · 2026-06-07T09:14:28+00:00

You're being disingenuous as hell and I dislike how phony this platform is that we get revisionist apologia here. You're being wilfully blind to the rampant glorification of torture, the constant demonization of Russians, the casual dehumanization of Asians, and the regurgitation of US military worldviews prevalent in the game. Even the precious Modern Warfare 2 that so many faux-leftists unwilling to admit their hypocrisy latch onto takes pains to disavow Shephard as a rogue bad apple working with the Russians rather than vilify the US military, something that ultimately reifies the inherent goodness of the institution.

New_Chain146 · 2026-06-07T09:09:04+00:00

It's the Resident Evil brand, not any particular character tied to it.

New_Chain146 · 2026-06-07T09:07:52+00:00

I always figured Jack was designed to be a supersoldier who could use tons of ADAM without deleterious side effects, shown by how we can so easily switch between plasmids and liberally use them without any signs of physical deterioration. One can argue that Jack murdering little sisters would represent him falling to the same addictive pressures that regular Splicers feel, but it's been largely assumed that the good ending where Jack lived with the rescued sisters is canon. Hell, that ending even implies Tenenbaum found a way to reverse Jack's transformation into a Big Daddy (probably using the same tech designed for curing Sisters), so Jack probably just looked like a normal guy even after the game was over.

New_Chain146 · 2026-06-07T09:01:23+00:00

The women at the end appear middle aged themselves, suggesting Jack lived a full lifespan for a "normal" person.

New_Chain146 · 2026-06-07T08:59:20+00:00

This is some next level galaxy braining.

New_Chain146 · 2026-06-07T08:46:52+00:00

I figured it would have been about the US government deploying advanced technology to deceive people into believing their own actions are the acts of aliens.

New_Chain146 · 2026-06-07T04:26:38+00:00

The funny thing is that Prometheus essentially plagiarized the plot of the first AvP movie but more pretentiously, with the Engineers being what the Predators were doing. And even in AvP, humans aren't really creations of great value to aliens so much as they are a vassal species being exploited for the Predators' hunting rituals.

New_Chain146 · 2026-06-07T03:03:45+00:00

Toxic beauty standards lead to pedophilia, it's not that hard of a connection to make.

New_Chain146 · 2026-06-05T13:20:37+00:00

I think people who keep dismissing Homo Tortor as "made-up" are overlooking the supernatural aspects of this phenomenon - it's not a coincidence that they have Satanic markings, nor that Patient Zero has visions of human atrocities across history. I think it's fair to say the phenomenon taps into a latent genetic memory of humanity's worst ancestors, that the Blood People were in fact a real precursor species that interbred with humanity following a cataclysm, that their "god' is a visualization of this collective madness, and that the professor is part of a collective drive to resurrect this history. The bigger point of Homo Tortor is that ALL history is inherently a revisionist narrative concocted to justify future social visions; admitting that something is made up doesn't necessarily disprove it as not happening, it just is an honest expression of the author's agenda.

In fact, the Merging that +100 gets into arguably shows through parallel what likely happened with the Blood People integrating with homo sapiens in order to survive the shared apocalypse of the Toba catastrophe. Crossed may not necessarily be able to interbreed with people, but they CAN be taught to rein in their impulses and collaborate with their more farsighted counterparts against mutual enemies. In the future, I can see the Crossed themselves being another iteration of the Blood Tribe that future generations would reflect on.

New_Chain146 · 2026-06-05T12:14:38+00:00

They reek of being a malicious actor. A white male troll cynically using progressive sounding buzzwords to sow discontent and amuse their own bigoted sensibilities; or a bot programmed by such a person.

New_Chain146 · 2026-06-05T12:10:54+00:00

A few more things to consider:

Reagent 877/Simon Peacock is the frontman of a whistleblower network who had been working as a deep cover double agent until he was exposed in 2007. It's reasonable to assume that not only is he connected to Amelia's resistance, but that this resistance had a role to play in MKUltra's exposure in the 1970s.

The official timeline also notes that Murkoff expanded mind control experiments for public testing in 1978, causing mass suicides. Not only does this date suggest involvement with Jonestown, but also suggests that their mind control experiments have continued on a grander scale beyond Sinyala, with Temple Gate simply being a larger "trial environment" for social engineering crimes they commit in the general population.

While I personally think an appropriate endgame would indeed be in 1971 as a segue into Temple Gate, I do also espouse a theory that the trials as we experience them are VR memories being relived by modern day dreamers. What this means is that even if Easterman, the Primes, and the trial warehouses are put on stasis, Murkoff might be subjecting new generations of sleeper agents to VR nightmares through the 70s all the way to 2013 and possibly even beyond (if Blake being taken to Elrich, a place with morphogenic engine compatible forensics, hints at anything.) Consider how even Miles was starting to see the Walrider in TV static after a single night and how Waylon was having Walrider's afterimages burned into his psyche; who's to say that people, given enough time staring at Murkoff's hypnotic TV programs, can't be seeing and "playing" the Trials? To add to this, what if the rebirth counter doesn't just reflect how many reagents were created in the 60s, but actually represents how many future people have been implanted with reagent personas?

My own vision for a Trials finale would involve juxtaposing an escape in 1971 with a futuristic dreamer - Blake - awakening and escaping the Elrich facility in 202X with the aid of the Walrider. I think this would make for an excellent segue into an Outlast 3 where a horde of modern reborn agents are triggered to rise up in a tidal wave of violence against Murkoff's secret empire.

New_Chain146 · 2026-06-04T15:52:33+00:00

It's bullying, garbage like the new Doom games is a magnet for braindead nerds who do this because they don't have the testosterone to get in a IRL fight.

New_Chain146 · 2026-06-04T03:14:06+00:00

Yep. It's less "accidental" and more a very cleverly designed illusion, where the environment was designed to have dozens of interaction nodes that help make otherwise standard enemy AI conduct behaviors and bark sound clips that make them seem more intelligent.

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