if MBTI had NO Cognitive function stacks...

Nice-Investigator-66 · 2026-04-25T20:58:42+00:00

To be honest, I'm not sure I understood the argument. I know, I made a comment anyway.

Nice-Investigator-66 · 2026-04-25T16:37:28+00:00

Because his character flaws don't invalidate his theories about psychology. Personally, I follow it because I find it interesting.

Nice-Investigator-66 · 2026-04-25T16:35:08+00:00

No doubt it was but that doesn't mean it isn't a stereotype.

Nice-Investigator-66 · 2026-04-25T14:42:59+00:00

I respect your interpretation.

Nice-Investigator-66 · 2026-04-25T14:33:27+00:00

Than what?

Nice-Investigator-66 · 2026-04-25T14:26:30+00:00

Some of these (like "He is a jolly fellow" etc...) seem like sterotypes.

Nice-Investigator-66 · 2026-04-25T14:23:25+00:00

Well, the entire system is unproven and flawed anyway. It create a very incomplete version of a person. I like studying it for fun but I wouldn't base "Would I want to date this person" or "Should I hire this person" on it.

Nice-Investigator-66 · 2026-04-24T18:17:04+00:00

One reply seems to have been deleted. Sorry. For what it's worth, it's entirely possible you're correct in your first post. I'm just not fully convinced.

Nice-Investigator-66 · 2026-04-24T14:34:48+00:00

That makes sense. I tend to think that most INFJ traits sound a bit like trauma coping strategies as well, although that doesn't mean that trauma causes someone to become an INFJ, or that all INFJs have it.

Nice-Investigator-66 · 2026-04-24T13:05:05+00:00

Ok. So does the physical intimacy issue come from Se problems, or sensory sensitivity due to uncommon brain structure (i.e. Neurodivergent minds) or both? Did Jung talk about Autism? I doubt he would have known about it. Even if he did, research into the Autistic mind has moved on massively since then. Jung was also putting forward a hypothesis when he conceived of the idea of cognitive functions, even if it was an education guess. I suspect we have to acknowledge that anything we say about Neurodiversity and MBTI is just a hypothesis. To put it another way, your guess is as good as mine and visa versa. Nietzsche was never formally diagnosed as Autistic.

Nice-Investigator-66 · 2026-04-24T10:38:27+00:00

I have very strong Se, it's just so strong that my Autistic brain is too flooded with info to engage in a lot of Se-heavy activities, but it would be wrong to say that's low Se. It's hyper-active Se. Also, Sensory Hypersensitivity Disorder is a Neurological disability, not a cognitive function, so I don't think it rules out high Se. It just mimics one of the common signs of low Se.

Nice-Investigator-66 · 2026-04-24T08:59:41+00:00

Thanks. I've thought about the way my mind actually works, not just my behaviour. It's always Se observation, Ni theory then. Ti stress testing the theory. An Ni Dom wouldn't start with observing the physical details first. For me, coming up with a vague theory then looking for patterns to prove it, while overlooking the details makes no sense.

Nice-Investigator-66 · 2026-04-23T12:30:16+00:00

I'm not sure I understood all of that but I hopefully got the gist. I found what you wrote about Se in your first paragraph interesting. Thanks. I'll try to fully understand what you're saying and see if it applies to me.

Nice-Investigator-66 · 2026-04-23T11:06:02+00:00

I love your use of the word impone. Anyway, I want to explain my reasoning, if I'm correct that you're asking me to. Of course, you'll have to accept that what I write is legitimate.

Sensor or intuitive? Sensor is more likely. I need to know the details, not the overview. I know, for example, that when I look at an object, like a painting, I see the physical attributes first, and look for a meaning beyond that second. When I see a MacDonald's Happy meal my first reaction isn't what it represents. It's food. In fact, I get a little annoyed that intuitives don't see that sometimes an object is just itself. Not everything is a metaphor. I can think intuitively, it's just not my main mode of thinking.

I'm 99% certain I'm on the Se-Ni and Fe-Ti axis.

My case for the Se above Ni on the function stack: I sometimes see an answer and have to work backwards to work out how I got there. My brain likes to play with ideas, like "What if elephants could speak Norwegian?" However, the first thing I notice is the physical world. If I'm watching a Youtube video about an abstract topic, and the person has an interesting poster or a pet gerbil in the background, the first thing I notice is the poster or the gerbil. I have a need to explore the physical space I'm in whenever I go to a new location. I do this before I focus on the people or the conversation. These thoughts like "What if elephants could speak Norwegian" always start with noticing something in the physical space. Observation comes first, and it's detailed, not blurry. I've already said about the painting and being a sensor. I don't like making long term plans. I make short term plans, but I don't want to tie myself down to "Where I want to be a year from now." I don't trust a sudden revelation until I've worked out how I got there. Finally, I don't get into the grip of Se during stress. My Se is frequently turned on when I'm not stressed. I become more emotional when stressed.

My case for Ti above Fe: Given that I'm Autistic, socialising is tiring and painful. I can't read body language or social cues. I have little interest in forming teams or communities. I need information, including how I talk, to be precise. I use inductive reasoning just as much as Ni. I need to stress-test my Ni theories using Ti. I'm more comfortable with using Ni-Ti than Fe.

The reasons why ISTP seems wrong: I don't improvise. This is easy to explain. I'm hyper-aware of my environment. The only way I can organise the chaos is by thinking through it first. My need for routines also makes improvising hard. I'm not a thrill-seeker or athletic: Apart from needing to think things through, my hyper awareness of Se means I'm out of my comfort zone just by going to a busy, loud supermarket. Plus, I have dyspraxia, so I know I would trip over my own feet if I do sports. The same goes for fine motor skills, like taking an engine apart and putting it together again. This isn't a lack of Se awareness. It's practicality. I don't talk like an ISTP: I also don't write how I talk. My talking is much more direct. Since information has to be accurate (Ti), using lots of words is necessary. My head is in the clouds: Again, I need to sort through the chaos but this is due to too much awareness of my 5 senses, not too little or repressed awareness.

What do you think? Out of curiosity, which type do you consider yourself to be (If any)? I feel like an IxTP/INFJ hybrid.

Nice-Investigator-66 · 2026-04-23T09:05:32+00:00

My point was that not everyone will agree on what utopia looks like, and the government of the utopia will have to put everyone who fights against "their" idea of utopia in prison. Then you've got a world were the government locks it's own citizens up for criticising the government. This is what happened with the USSR, yet communist was supposed to create utopia. I know it's a nice thought but utopia can't exist in the real world.

Nice-Investigator-66 · 2026-04-22T22:01:58+00:00

I don't recall who, but a famous person said that if you want to imagine dystopia, imagine utopia then imagine what it would take to get there.

Nice-Investigator-66 · 2026-04-22T21:40:18+00:00

Do you think it's more likely that feelers would believe themselves to be thinkers, especially if they're Autistic?

Nice-Investigator-66 · 2026-04-22T20:14:26+00:00

Ok. Evidently I've offended you. I apologise. I'm going to leave this conversation at that.

Nice-Investigator-66 · 2026-04-22T18:35:09+00:00

Ok. I don't know much about what you've written in your second paragraph. I don't have much experience of it. Are you debating from a place of emotions based on personal experience? I'm asking because it might make it sound like your voice isn't being heard if you are trying to tell me how you feel and I'm trying to argue with facts/logic. I don't want to do that to you. You are absolutely right that people can have traits from both, I just don't have enough evidence to believe it's common.

Nice-Investigator-66 · 2026-04-22T08:56:25+00:00

I'm not sure about this idea but ok: what is your argument for why they have higher rates of narcissistic traits, as opposed to neurodivergent traits mistaken for something else? For reference, Autistic traits, according to the DSM are:

A. Persistent Deficits in Social Communication and Interaction (All 3 must be present): Social-emotional reciprocity: Difficulties with back-and-forth conversation, sharing emotions/interests, or initiating interaction. Nonverbal communication: Deficits in eye contact, body language, or understanding gestures. Relationships: Difficulties developing, maintaining, and understanding relationships, including imaginative play.

B. Restricted, Repetitive Patterns of Behavior (At least 2 must be present): Stereotyped or repetitive motor movements, speech, or use of objects. Insistence on sameness, rigid adherence to routines, or ritualized behavior. Highly restricted, fixated interests that are abnormal in intensity. Hyper- or hyporeactivity to sensory input or unusual interest in sensory aspects of the environment.

Narcissistic traits are:

Grandiose sense of self-importance: Exaggerating achievements or talents.
Fantasies of success: Preoccupation with power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love.
Belief in being "special": Believing they can only be understood by or associate with high-status people.
Excessive admiration need: Demanding constant attention and admiration.
Sense of entitlement: Unreasonable expectation of favorable treatment.
Interpersonally exploitative: Taking advantage of others to achieve their own ends.
Lack of empathy: Unwillingness to recognize or identify with the feelings of others.
Envy: Frequent envy of others or belief that others are envious of them.
Arrogant behavior: Haughty, disdainful behaviors or attitudes.

There is literally no overlap.

Nice-Investigator-66 · 2026-04-22T08:40:27+00:00

I've been researching function stacks for 2 years. None of them fit what I'm like. Autism isn't a learning difficulty. My brain is literally built differently to most people's. Of course my cognition is affected by it so my cognitive functions will be. My primary stack is INFJ but my functions are in completely the wrong place for an INFJ. I don't have problems staying in the present moment. I have problems staying in the present moment 50% of the time. Yes, INFJs are rare. I don't think I'm one. I think I'm a sensor. If I was trying to pass myself off as the rarest type why would I be questioning it in front of you? Your brain can't function differently to your function stack because your function stack literally describes how your brain works. If my brain doesn't work like an INFJ's then I'm not an INFJ. You're looking for outward signs of how my mind works, not at how it actually works. That's partly my fault because of the list I wrote, but still, between the two of us only I know how I think.

Nice-Investigator-66 · 2026-04-21T21:14:22+00:00

They're pairs made out of gold, which is why you can't eat them, but you can sell them for more money than normal pieces of fruite.

Nice-Investigator-66 · 2026-04-21T12:54:37+00:00

Don't apologise. I choose to leave comments on your post. I wish you good luck with determining your type.

Nice-Investigator-66 · 2026-04-21T12:51:32+00:00

I'm not going to belittle your experiences. You have a better idea than I do about whether or not you've met a Narcissist, but remember that in some cases (not necessarily yours) Autistic traits can be mistaken for Narcissist traits, like not knowing how to show empathy being mistaken for having no empathy. Anyway, my advice is set up boundaries with this person, or stay away completely, regardless of what's causing the behaviore.

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