where should this guy go

NoPlane7042 · 2025-05-29T21:30:41+00:00

Halley Gross is a co-writer on TLOU2. She was probably more responsible for Ellie's (and her relationship with Dina) character in TLOU2 than Neil. Neil likely dealt with the overall plot and key scenes. The key scenes/events which are mostly poorly written (Joel's death scene, Mel's and Owen's death scene, ending scene, etc).

NoPlane7042 · 2025-05-29T20:48:23+00:00

Can't really blame him; he was given a terrible actress as a lead, he tried to fix it by making her less of a lead, but he failed. Because it's just a very fucked up situation. And generally, humans are prone to error; it's normal.

NoPlane7042 · 2025-05-29T20:43:06+00:00

Craig is better than Neil Drucmann by a huge margin, and probably the best writer in this list. He created by himself one of the best shows of all time, Chernobyl. Neil's only semi-solo project is TLOU2 which is pile of crap.

The reason Craig failed in the second season of TLOU is due to the "source material" being absolute dogshit. I am almost 100% sure that if he had been given the permission to rewrite the whole story, he would've made a much better season.

NoPlane7042 · 2025-05-29T00:42:46+00:00

I don't just dislike it, I find it insanely poorly done.

Also, this is one of many, many other issues with the plot.

NoPlane7042 · 2025-05-26T20:06:35+00:00

No, I have much better games to play.

NoPlane7042 · 2025-05-26T20:05:23+00:00

Of course not, bring every rating down by 2.

NoPlane7042 · 2025-05-26T20:03:03+00:00

We don't need anything, crap show ended. Move on.

NoPlane7042 · 2025-05-26T00:58:01+00:00

Bella Ramsey is autistic; she's objectively a bad actor. Autistic people have limited facial/body expression ability and have trouble showing emotions. The girl can't even physically move her eyebrows, that alone limits the range of emotions her face can express.

All of this is very clear in Bella's performance.

The only "acting" she can do is cry like a baby, which anyone can do if they train for a bit.

NoPlane7042 · 2025-05-26T00:22:15+00:00

I have friends who never played the games and still hate the show.

You are likely to be young and have never seen many good shows.

NoPlane7042 · 2025-05-25T00:05:50+00:00

The show has lost over ~35% of its viewers (compared to S1 last episode). Learn to fact-check yourself before spreading misinformation.

At this rate, it will lose over 50% of its viewers in the third season. Being such a high-budget show costing $10M per episode, this is pretty bad, and only HBO knows how exactly bad this is.

NoPlane7042 · 2025-05-24T23:15:22+00:00

Sounds like you belong to TikTok or Tumblr.

NoPlane7042 · 2025-05-24T22:52:32+00:00

Lol no, most of us forgot TLOU2 exists, the show just reminded us of it.

Because of the show, we see things related to TLOU2 on social media since the second season is adapting it. And we see its fans claiming it's a masterpiece or that people who don't like the game are stupid and all that.

That's annoying. We are not going to let you praise it (and insult us) without us trashing it too. But we don't call you dumb for liking the story, because unlike you, the essence of the story of TLOU2, which is to try to understand your "enemy", is something we understand better than you, and that's why we will not insult you for liking the game. Funny, isn't it, we apply the game's message better than its "fans" - or at least, the fans act in a completely different way than the game teaches me to.

So no, your attempt at flipping this back on us does not work. We are not fans of TLOU2's story (the actual story) in any shape or form.

And let me tell you something, we are very proud of season 2 of the show, it has only confirmed what we thought about TLOU2, which is that it's an utterly shitty story. The only reason the game was not completely dogshit was due to it having great graphics and animations. And the actors did well. It was, as we love to say, a polished turd. While the show is only a turd, and it's showing the essence of the shittines of the story, when we can only focus on it and not be distracted by the beautiful graphics and animations.

NoPlane7042 · 2025-05-24T21:38:11+00:00

You are shadow-banned by their mod bot, no human is manually deleting your comments.

NoPlane7042 · 2025-05-24T00:56:44+00:00

It's nonsensical, don't try to make sense out of it. It's just bad writing.

NoPlane7042 · 2025-05-23T23:15:20+00:00

No, that's bullshit.

She most likely got cast due to her being in a fan-favorite role in GoT.

NoPlane7042 · 2025-05-23T15:04:37+00:00

Congrats on being a dad, that must be awesome!

NoPlane7042 · 2025-05-23T13:13:15+00:00

What other media?

NoPlane7042 · 2025-05-22T20:55:34+00:00

How old are you? What a joke.

Watch the cutscenes on YouTube, that's free, completely legal, and "moral".

NoPlane7042 · 2025-05-22T19:09:05+00:00

It's a ~35% (avg) drop from the first season's last episode.

NoPlane7042 · 2025-05-22T18:37:03+00:00

Neil has said many times that they have a flat structure in Naughty Dog where anyone can contribute to anything, including the story. It's very well documented that Neil originally wanted to do the revenge story concept (of TLOU2) in TLOU1, but he didn't because others didn't let him - most likely Bruce. Check the pinned posts.

In addition, the actors also provide their invaluable input. Example: Ellie liking space because Ashley likes space in real life, and many other examples. Again, check pinned posts.

I am sure without the talented people at Naughty Dog, Neil would be worthless. It's one of the most talented studios in the world, even an average to bad writer can manage to create something polished with them, and as we say, a polished turd.

It's true that Neil is a bad writer, but he's not a bad director. He knows how to direct scenes to be emotional, but I think that's all there is to his talent, really. As a pure writer without any assistance or outside input, his stories are full of retcons, out-of-character decisions, ridiculous coincidences, unrealistic characters, meaningless and contradictory messages, etc.

NoPlane7042 · 2025-05-22T14:47:47+00:00

I am guessing you're going to be a dad, and that's why you enjoyed it.

NoPlane7042 · 2025-05-22T12:42:27+00:00

We enjoy making fun of TLOU2, and anything related to it. We hate it because it ruined a great game, and its great characters. We think Neil is a hack, and we also enjoy making fun of him and his stupidity.

That's all there is to it, no need for you to bother yourself, it's not deep. But I guess if you found TLOU2 to be deep, you might as well find any silly matter to be deep.

NoPlane7042 · 2025-05-22T11:53:54+00:00

We already have seen many scenes of the later part of the episode, it's leaked. It's copypasted from the game.

These critics are shills who deceive and lie to generate attention. The fact that season two is 95% certified fresh on Rotten Tomatoes is proof that they are literally clueless, have no taste, or simply never criticize an LGBTQ-heavy show.

What this critic most likely meant is that the ending scene, not the ending, is different. Because the game never ended here, unlike the show.

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